Crazy visual.

10/04/2022#USAF 🇺🇸 activity monitoring the war in #Ukraine and providing air to air refuelling tanker support for #NATO fighters. #haveglass #ukraine #UkraineRussiaWar pic.twitter.com/vu6qMJkM9u

— #haveglass (@haveVglass) April 11, 2022

MouthBQ98 said:

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So, the Irish strategy would be to submit, in a circumstance where the attacking power currently says there are no real negotiations, only terms that must be met? The Russians don't stop until they realize the prize isn't worth the cost. Negotiations wouldn't change that.

Some lives might be saved, in the short run, at the cost of long term subjugation in the long run. Let the Ukrainians decide what they value.

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I don't think it is the Irish strategy. They have a total of 13 MEPS. They just happen to have at least 2 idiots in that 13..

mickeyrig06sq3 said:

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MeatDr said:

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This video shows why Eastern Europeans have been so frustrated for years with Western Europeans who just don’t understand what Russia is & how it works.

Irish MEP tells a Bulgarian MEP in the European Parliament that peace can only come through diplomacy. pic.twitter.com/nQKtgBNi3R

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) April 10, 2022

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Man, she's having a major adverse reaction to the large dose of reality this conflict has injected.

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It looks like he is getting up to do a rebuttal. Where is that? I want to hear that, too.

I read earlier in this thread that diplomatic assignments are sometimes used to get undesirable political figures out of Russia. I wonder if that's the case here, or if Russia is projecting confidence that normal diplomatic relations will resume very soon because they expect to win and that the world will move on, forget about the atrocities, and accept the new world order.

Waffledynamics said:

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I read earlier in this thread that diplomatic assignments are sometimes used to get undesirable political figures out of Russia. I wonder if that's the case here, or if Russia is projecting confidence that normal diplomatic relations will resume very soon because they expect to win and that the world will move on, forget about the atrocities, and accept the new world order.

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If we've learned anything the last 2 months, the corruption and ineptness of the Kremlin is higher than we ever expected.

I could see them doing that with diplomats that were connected, but unwanted at home. However, that just F's them in the long run if you don't have someone you trust posturing and negotiating foreign diplomacy on your behalf. If they were doing this through to fill spy spots at foreign embassies, then the FSB is borderline incompetent.

So, before the last couple of months, I'd say that's highly unlikely gossip. Today......who knows???

Aggie Joe 93 said:

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MeatDr said:

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This video shows why Eastern Europeans have been so frustrated for years with Western Europeans who just don’t understand what Russia is & how it works.

Irish MEP tells a Bulgarian MEP in the European Parliament that peace can only come through diplomacy. pic.twitter.com/nQKtgBNi3R

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) April 10, 2022

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Proof idiots can succeed when they aren't challenged.

The only reason she had the freedom to say that is because MANY others died to create it for her.

Ungrateful ignorant dumbass.

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She falls into the useful idiot category. Complete Russian tool… and probably doesn't mean to be.

Tex117 said:

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MeatDr said:

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This video shows why Eastern Europeans have been so frustrated for years with Western Europeans who just don’t understand what Russia is & how it works.

Irish MEP tells a Bulgarian MEP in the European Parliament that peace can only come through diplomacy. pic.twitter.com/nQKtgBNi3R

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) April 10, 2022

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That is not the official Irish stance. Talk about someone who has absolutely no understanding of what brings peace.

Accent is cool though.

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Accent sounds like the IRA straight out of Patriot Games.

Question: if Ukraine has been able to send missiles into Russia and strike some bases there, what's to stop them from giving similar treatment to Russian artillery? Are they avoiding the artillery largely on purpose? It seems like if they could hit them more, the Ukes would. Is the artillery too insignificant of a target to throw missiles at?

I recall far back in this thread that it is an unfortunate tradeoff that as long as the artillery isn't hitting military units, it's not as high of a priority. Thinking about the coming major Russian offensive, however, I question if the artillery is not rising in priority.

Oh I agree but is anyone trying to talk sense to him anymore? At one time Macron was trying to talk sense to Putin but that was before it went completely south on him. Surely by now Putin is looking for an off ramp, otherwise its just going to be hell for both countries. No one will ultimately win this thing at this point.

Waffledynamics said:

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Question: if Ukraine has been able to send missiles into Russia and strike some bases there, what's to stop them from giving similar treatment to Russian artillery? Are they avoiding the artillery largely on purpose? It seems like if they could hit them more, the Ukes would. Is the artillery too insignificant of a target to throw missiles at?

I recall far back in this thread that it is an unfortunate tradeoff that as long as the artillery isn't hitting military units, it's not as high of a priority. Thinking about the coming major Russian offensive, however, I question if the artillery is not rising in priority.

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Moving versus stationary targets. To hit an airbase or fuel/all dump, you just need to know where it is, which isn't hard with Western surveillance satellites. To hit artillery, you have to find it and hit it before it moves, which is not impossible but also not bet easy. Much of it is made to shoot and scoot to make counter fire much more difficult.

MouthBQ98 said:

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So, the Irish strategy would be to submit, in a circumstance where the attacking power currently says there are no real negotiations, only terms that must be met? The Russians don't stop until they realize the prize isn't worth the cost. Negotiations wouldn't change that.

Some lives might be saved, in the short run, at the cost of long term subjugation in the long run. Let the Ukrainians decide what they value.

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Take it for what its worth, but my wife still has family that live there. Ireland is very much Dublin vs. the rest of the country. Dublin is very, very liberal like most big cities and the rest of the counties are more conservative. Downside is damn near 2/5ths of the population live in Dublin

So how do you see this ending? With the Russian military destroyed and/or Ukraine ground into a fine dust? I just find the whole thing tragic at this point.

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BQ78 said:

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She's not wrong, more effort is being put into making the war go on and on, versus working to end it. No one is taking a lead on peace but there are plenty of leaders for war. Maybe there is no peaceful solution but no one is trying, unless there is something going on behind the scenes. If only we had a strong US leader in charge.

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Until Putin negotiates an ending in good faith, no peaceful resolution is in sight that doesn't ultimately screw Ukraine.

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Yep there can't/won't be a peace until both sides want it. Russia isn't going to want peace until earliest the end of their upcoming offensive. A peace deal doesn't make sense right now, unless Ukraine decides to roll-over regarding the Donbas and Crimea.

That is almost 30% of the Russian invasion force rendered combat ineffective. https://t.co/py6VGos9Nb

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 11, 2022

This comes after Claims that Finland and Sweden who both have Large Baltic Seas Coasts will be joining the NATO Alliance as soon as next month.

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) April 11, 2022

BQ78 said:

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Surely by now Putin is looking for an off ramp, otherwise its just going to be hell for both countries.

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Are we watching the same war?!?!

If that IRA member really wants piece, she needs to start putting together a seance to restore Winston Churchill and release him with a big stick on Putin. Russians may speak Russian, but they only understand might and force.

This guy probably needs a change of pants.

Kharkiv, cluster munition impacts, most likely from a BM-30 pic.twitter.com/pJKSdhxaAV

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 11, 2022

That truck driver sure sat there and stared at it for a long time.


Almost too long.

MouthBQ98 said:

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So, the Irish strategy would be to submit, in a circumstance where the attacking power currently says there are no real negotiations, only terms that must be met? The Russians don't stop until they realize the prize isn't worth the cost. Negotiations wouldn't change that.

Some lives might be saved, in the short run, at the cost of long term subjugation in the long run. Let the Ukrainians decide what they value.

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After centuries of British subjugation, can you blame them for being subjugated and offering appeasement?

⚡️Zelensky: Tens of thousands killed in Mariupol.

In an address to the South Korean parliament, President Volodymyr Zelensky said that the worst situation with hostilities is in "destroyed" Mariupol, a seaport in southern Ukraine that has been sieged by Russians since March 1.

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) April 11, 2022

Kind of what I was expecting. The total number is going to be staggering.

رئيس الوزراء الهندي: اقترحنا على موسكو إجراء محادثات مباشرة بين الرئيسين الروسي والأوكراني

— سكاي نيوز عربية-عاجل (@SkyNewsArabia_B) April 11, 2022

رئيس الوزراء الهندي يؤكد لبايدن أن الوضع في أوكرانيا مقلق للغاية

— سكاي نيوز عربية-عاجل (@SkyNewsArabia_B) April 11, 2022

رئيس الوزراء الهندي: سنرسل دفعة جديدة من المساعدات الطبية إلى أوكرانيا قريبا

— سكاي نيوز عربية-عاجل (@SkyNewsArabia_B) April 11, 2022

ETA: Tweets are appearing untranslated. Per liveuamap, the updates are that India's PM is proposing to Moscow to hold Ru/Ukr talks, that they are sending medical aid to Ukr, and that the Indian PM told Biden that the situation in Ukraine is very worrying.

Yes, but the longer it drags on the more it becomes a fait acompli for what Putin desires to avoid-- looking weak. The fact he put himself in such a hard place is the biggest risk factor in all this mess. Someone should be trying to talk him into taking an off ramp, if it is even in the cards. If it is not, than the tragedy for both countries (and the world) just gets deeper.

Waffledynamics said:

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رئيس الوزراء الهندي: اقترحنا على موسكو إجراء محادثات مباشرة بين الرئيسين الروسي والأوكراني

— سكاي نيوز عربية-عاجل (@SkyNewsArabia_B) April 11, 2022

رئيس الوزراء الهندي يؤكد لبايدن أن الوضع في أوكرانيا مقلق للغاية

— سكاي نيوز عربية-عاجل (@SkyNewsArabia_B) April 11, 2022

رئيس الوزراء الهندي: سنرسل دفعة جديدة من المساعدات الطبية إلى أوكرانيا قريبا

— سكاي نيوز عربية-عاجل (@SkyNewsArabia_B) April 11, 2022

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Rough translation:
Indian Prime Minister spoke with Biden, expressed concern with situation in Ukraine. He wants Russian and Ukrainian direct negotiations. Sending medical aid to Ukraine.

Nm. People will fight for oil and gas, but they will steal and kill for food. Both are in shorter supply now. India has a huge population