They also weren't expecting to retreat to Belarus when they murdered these people as they drive towards Kiev
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This. The whole damn country should be sanctioned until it's a dry husk so it can start over from scratch instead of perpetuating the same inhumane, domineering bull**** it has since the Czars. Everywhere Russians go, rape, torture, and murder follow. Either they liberate the worst in people or they're just a bunch of murdering thugs. Common sense and history say it's the latter.
It blows my mind that anyone would question whether the architects of the Soviet Union and all of its horrors, along with the last 2 decades of invading their neighbors, would murder just a few more civilians in the streets just for fun. If you think the Russian army is just a bunch of poor bastages just doing what they're told and trying not to die, you might be amongst the stupidest people on earth.
It blows my mind that anyone would question whether the architects of the Soviet Union and all of its horrors, along with the last 2 decades of invading their neighbors, would murder just a few more civilians in the streets just for fun. If you think the Russian army is just a bunch of poor bastages just doing what they're told and trying not to die, you might be amongst the stupidest people on earth.
Some very disturbing pics in those links above .. Russians are killing civilians at will, they need to be paid back .. arm the Ukrainians to the teeth with powerful weapons
Map of the approximate situation in Ukraine as of 00:00 UTC 05/04/22.#UkraineCrisis #UkraineUnderAttack #Breaking #Kyiv #Kharkiv #Odesa #UkraineRussiaWar pic.twitter.com/Ei0bkutEDG
— Ukraine War Map (@War_Mapper) April 5, 2022
— Ukraine War Map (@War_Mapper) April 5, 2022
This Deal being Officially Signed tomorrow on the U.S selling the Polish Military 250 M1A2 SEP v3 Abrams MBTs has been in the works for Years and was Approved in February, so while this deal isn't about Ukraine once Poland has these Tanks they may have older ones for Ukraine. https://t.co/WiSg2bs2n3
— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) April 5, 2022
Can y'all move this **** to the other thread, please?
Are the bodies fake too?thirdcoast said:Check out the "bindings" on brown coat guy. Questionable war crime techniques...you would think Russians would use zip ties and not leave evidence. Didn't even look like a double knot was used here#Bucha pic.twitter.com/wiuhSL0Bn1
— Clayton Jones (@Clayton11241106) April 5, 2022
This Deal being Officially Signed tomorrow on the U.S selling the Polish Military 250 M1A2 SEP v3 Abrams MBTs has been in the works for Years and was Approved in February, so while this deal isn't about Ukraine once Poland has these Tanks they may have older ones for Ukraine. https://t.co/WiSg2bs2n3
— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) April 5, 2022
Hopefully no paywall. I didn't get one anyway.
"Oleksiy Bryzgalin, 38, a construction worker, said he was strapped to a chair with a grenade between his legs for 30 hours and also had a gun fired beside the side of his head during interrogation." https://t.co/lHt62OG9cC
— Michael Weiss 🌻🇺🇸🇮🇪 (@michaeldweiss) April 5, 2022
Thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1511164893784952837.html
2/ The situation on the ground is fluid, as the remaining Russian forces withdraw from the Kyiv, Chernihiv, & Sumy Oblasts and is difficult to map. As a result, today’s update only presents a general overview of the situation across Ukraine as is currently understood.
— Jomini of the West (@JominiW) April 5, 2022
ABATTBQ11 said:
This. The whole damn country should be sanctioned until it's a dry husk so it can start over from scratch instead of perpetuating the same inhumane, domineering bull**** it has since the Czars. Everywhere Russians go, rape, torture, and murder follow. Either they liberate the worst in people or they're just a bunch of murdering thugs. Common sense and history say it's the latter.
It blows my mind that anyone would question whether the architects of the Soviet Union and all of its horrors, along with the last 2 decades of invading their neighbors, would murder just a few more civilians in the streets just for fun. If you think the Russian army is just a bunch of poor bastages just doing what they're told and trying not to die, you might be amongst the stupidest people on earth.
Here's the playbook the conspiracy wackos are working from with regard to Bucha. Russia Today and Scott Ritter pumping that the Ukrainian Secret police along with the US and UK have been killing these people, and blaming it on poor Russia.
It's bonkers, has no facts, and violates even the simplest forensic evidence (like the decomposition state of the bodies) but it apparently has buyers. "Truth".
Tactics and strategy related because it's part of Russia's disinfo strategy toward easy marks.
https://www.rt.com/russia/553293-bucha-war-crimes-truth/
It's bonkers, has no facts, and violates even the simplest forensic evidence (like the decomposition state of the bodies) but it apparently has buyers. "Truth".
Tactics and strategy related because it's part of Russia's disinfo strategy toward easy marks.
https://www.rt.com/russia/553293-bucha-war-crimes-truth/
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My goodness, this must be the mother of all Freudian slips - by the Russian ambassador to the UN just now 👇
— Alex Taylor (@AlexTaylorNews) April 5, 2022
"The corpses in Boutcha that didn't exist before the Russian troops arrived ... er, er, left, sorry - before they left ..." pic.twitter.com/hqviMXBeDo
#Danish Foreign Minister Jeppe #Kofoed announced that 15 #Russian diplomats were being expelled from the country.
— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) April 5, 2022
They were accused of espionage. pic.twitter.com/jovdXySqLy
#Italy, following #Denmark, announced the expulsion of 30 #Russian diplomats pic.twitter.com/Z4greEA3l4
— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) April 5, 2022
VIDEO: Ukrainian forces shoot down Russian helicopter with Stugna-P anti-tank missile. - @Kochevenko pic.twitter.com/jlbtMPXigy
— Conflict News (@Conflicts) April 5, 2022
Looks like they took some notes from the Battlefield series of games...
Looks like a Ka-52 scout helo. Not an insignificant vehicle loss. Russia has sub 100 units of these before the war even started.
Baghdad Bob is embarrassed for this guy.MeatDr said:My goodness, this must be the mother of all Freudian slips - by the Russian ambassador to the UN just now 👇
— Alex Taylor (@AlexTaylorNews) April 5, 2022
"The corpses in Boutcha that didn't exist before the Russian troops arrived ... er, er, left, sorry - before they left ..." pic.twitter.com/hqviMXBeDo
Will the Russians just eventually brutalize the eastern part of the country into submission?
Rossticus said:
Here's the playbook the conspiracy wackos are working from with regard to Bucha. Russia Today and Scott Ritter pumping that the Ukrainian Secret police along with the US and UK have been killing these people, and blaming it on poor Russia.
It's bonkers, has no facts, and violates even the simplest forensic evidence (like the decomposition state of the bodies) but it apparently has buyers. "Truth".
Tactics and strategy related because it's part of Russia's disinfo strategy toward easy marks.
https://www.rt.com/russia/553293-bucha-war-crimes-truth/
I was reflecting yesterday on the fact that I cannot think of a true statement that Russia has made in this war. If they were telling the truth back in January, there would not be a war. Never their intention to invade. On an on, they are not bombing cities, there are Nazis in Ukraine, etc. Truth is not valued in an of itself and mendacity is their modus operandi.
As for conspiracy theories and lies taking root, the ground is fertile. We have people who don't believe that we landed on the moon. The world trade center could not have possibly collapsed from a massive fire, there had to be demolition charges. You could easily go on… sadly
Blackbeard94 said:Rossticus said:
Here's the playbook the conspiracy wackos are working from with regard to Bucha. Russia Today and Scott Ritter pumping that the Ukrainian Secret police along with the US and UK have been killing these people, and blaming it on poor Russia.
It's bonkers, has no facts, and violates even the simplest forensic evidence (like the decomposition state of the bodies) but it apparently has buyers. "Truth".
Tactics and strategy related because it's part of Russia's disinfo strategy toward easy marks.
https://www.rt.com/russia/553293-bucha-war-crimes-truth/
I was reflecting yesterday on the fact that I cannot think of a true statement that Russia has made in this war. If they were telling the truth back in January, there would not be a war. Never their intention to invade. On an on, they are not bombing cities, there are Nazis in Ukraine, etc. Truth is not valued in an of itself and mendacity is their modus operandi.
As for conspiracy theories and lies taking root, the ground is fertile. We have people who don't believe that we landed on the moon. The world trade center could not have possibly collapsed from a massive fire, there had to be demolition charges. You could easily go on… sadly
It is sad that when your govt lies to you for so long, those constrict theories become mainstream.
🛑 WARNING ❗
— Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine - Ukrainian Parliament (@ua_parliament) April 5, 2022
In Rubizhne, #Luhansk region, Russian troops hit a tank with nitric acid!
Nitric acid is very dangerous if inhaled, swallowed or if it is in contact with skin.
The consequences of this incident are similar to usage of chemical or biological weapons!
1/2 pic.twitter.com/o5kPccPg6u
🚨 Urgent:
— OsintTv (@OsintTv) April 5, 2022
Unconfirmed & Unverified report of strike on Zarya chemical plant (alleged nitric acid tank) in Rubizhne, Luhansk
Some unconfirmed reports says it was a strike by Russian forces
Pro Russn LPR says it was Ukranian strike
Ukrn article 👇https://t.co/60mbR22eHX pic.twitter.com/62Sju58MIn
The expulsions keep coming.
#Spanish Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Albarez said that #Spain will expel about 25 #Russian diplomats who pose a threat to the country's security interests.
— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) April 5, 2022
Russian ambassador in #Madrid is not among the diplomats who will be expelled. pic.twitter.com/XTSahOv9p6
aggiehawg said:Putin believed he had the internet shut down. And yes, they did that.thirdcoast said:
Do you think a Russian soldier put that cotton binding on that man and shot him wear his body lay?
Maybe. Maybe the Russians wanted to taunt the West by putting all the bound bodies in the street. But maybe not....it would actually make more sense not to give the media such great fuel.
But then Elon Musk changed the internet situation and the truth gets out.
It amazes me that so many think that Putin ordered bodies be tied and executed in the street because he thought the interent was shut down. I don't think that's a tactically sound claim.
I agree Russia generally doesn't care about world opinion, but in war time when their economy is being crippled with Bucha type reactions, it's reasonable to think Putin did not directly order bound executions in the street.
That's doesn't mean people who question Putins bucha culpability are pro-Russia or think the bodies aren't real. It means they question the technical strategy being attributed to Putin.
So far Russian "diplomats" have been expelled(not necessarily all diplomats) from:
Italy
Spain
Germany
Denmark
France
Montenegro
Slovakia
Latvia
Lithuania
Estonia
Bulgaria
Poland
Belgium
Netherlands
Czech Republic
Ireland
Italy
Spain
Germany
Denmark
France
Montenegro
Slovakia
Latvia
Lithuania
Estonia
Bulgaria
Poland
Belgium
Netherlands
Czech Republic
Ireland
Worth watching to see what happens to these expelled diplomats when they get back to Russia. Ambassador appointments were used in some cases as "exile retirements" for political opponents of the Yeltsin/Primakov/Putin governments. Got to think that some of them will not be welcomed back with open arms.
BattleGrackle said:
So far Russian "diplomats" have been expelled(not necessarily all diplomats) from:
Italy
Spain
Germany
Denmark
France
Montenegro
Slovakia
Latvia
Lithuania
Estonia
Bulgaria
Poland
Belgium
Netherlands
Czech Republic
Ireland
US - we expelled 12 at the beginning of this
There was a leak of intel, about 640 Russian assets were in the EU. Slowly these assets are being expelled, if in the diplomatic core. Those that are in industry are being let go and we are not hearing much on those. This war is costly for Russia.
BlueTaze said:aggiehawg said:Putin believed he had the internet shut down. And yes, they did that.thirdcoast said:
Do you think a Russian soldier put that cotton binding on that man and shot him wear his body lay?
Maybe. Maybe the Russians wanted to taunt the West by putting all the bound bodies in the street. But maybe not....it would actually make more sense not to give the media such great fuel.
But then Elon Musk changed the internet situation and the truth gets out.
It amazes me that so many think that Putin ordered bodies be tied and executed in the street because he thought the interent was shut down. I don't think that's a tactically sound claim.
I think the number of people that believe this was due to the internet being shut down is small. And I agree that Putin didn't directly order torture, executions, and rape. Instead, this is how Russia does war and always has been (and with the exception of the last 300 years or so, how the world has always done war). It is ingrained in the culture and impossible to stop even if Putin wanted to due to the poor discipline of and the non-existent NCO corps of the Russian military. I do think, however, that Putin has zero desire to stop it and likely even supports it.
Putin didn't order any individual bound and executed but he most definitely signaled his intent to treat citizens (Nazis) harshly.BlueTaze said:aggiehawg said:Putin believed he had the internet shut down. And yes, they did that.thirdcoast said:
Do you think a Russian soldier put that cotton binding on that man and shot him wear his body lay?
Maybe. Maybe the Russians wanted to taunt the West by putting all the bound bodies in the street. But maybe not....it would actually make more sense not to give the media such great fuel.
But then Elon Musk changed the internet situation and the truth gets out.
It amazes me that so many think that Putin ordered bodies be tied and executed in the street because he thought the interent was shut down. I don't think that's a tactically sound claim.
I agree Russia generally doesn't care about world opinion, but in war time when their economy is being crippled with Bucha type reactions, it's reasonable to think Putin did not directly order bound executions in the street.
That's doesn't mean people who question Putins bucha culpability are pro-Russia or think the bodies aren't real. It means they question the technical strategy being attributed to Putin.
lb3 said:Putin didn't order any individual bound and executed but he most definitely signaled his intent to treat citizens (Nazis) harshly.BlueTaze said:aggiehawg said:Putin believed he had the internet shut down. And yes, they did that.thirdcoast said:
Do you think a Russian soldier put that cotton binding on that man and shot him wear his body lay?
Maybe. Maybe the Russians wanted to taunt the West by putting all the bound bodies in the street. But maybe not....it would actually make more sense not to give the media such great fuel.
But then Elon Musk changed the internet situation and the truth gets out.
It amazes me that so many think that Putin ordered bodies be tied and executed in the street because he thought the interent was shut down. I don't think that's a tactically sound claim.
I agree Russia generally doesn't care about world opinion, but in war time when their economy is being crippled with Bucha type reactions, it's reasonable to think Putin did not directly order bound executions in the street.
That's doesn't mean people who question Putins bucha culpability are pro-Russia or think the bodies aren't real. It means they question the technical strategy being attributed to Putin.
Exactly. Statements like "break the Ukrainian will to resist" would be translated to and implemented by most Russians as exactly what we are seeing.
In the #Izyum direction, the #Ukrainian Armed Forces for the first time used captured TOS-1A "Solntsepyok" against the #Russian army.
— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) April 5, 2022
This was reported by the press secretary of the #Odessa administration Sergei Bratchuk. pic.twitter.com/gsjp27kONE
I'm seeing an undisciplined, culturally brutish conscript army full of the baser elements of Russian society with no real experienced disciplined NCO core conducting a heavily propaganda driven war, where the opponents have been dehumanized and demonized for months.
It's very possible that there aren't specific orders to terrorize civilians like this from the top, but only because they are not needed, and the expectation that this would naturally occur at some significant level and that is just the nature of war on the Eurasian continent was there.
Some of the occupiers ran amok committing all sorts of criminal activities, unrestrained by leadership who were inept or participating at different levels, or criminally indifferent. I'm fairly sure there were some groups that behaved more professionally, and others that were absolute monsters and criminal terrors as a group, dep we bring on unit culture, leadership, etc.
The problem is the Russians were so disorganized and chaotic that reconstructing who was where, when will probably rely a lot on prisoners and recovered dead and lost equipment to reconstruct, and now many of the guilty have been relocated.
This is of course all on top of the larger military policies of intentionally indiscriminately targeting civilian areas to general bombardment and fundamental war crimes of that nature.
What a horrific mess.
It's very possible that there aren't specific orders to terrorize civilians like this from the top, but only because they are not needed, and the expectation that this would naturally occur at some significant level and that is just the nature of war on the Eurasian continent was there.
Some of the occupiers ran amok committing all sorts of criminal activities, unrestrained by leadership who were inept or participating at different levels, or criminally indifferent. I'm fairly sure there were some groups that behaved more professionally, and others that were absolute monsters and criminal terrors as a group, dep we bring on unit culture, leadership, etc.
The problem is the Russians were so disorganized and chaotic that reconstructing who was where, when will probably rely a lot on prisoners and recovered dead and lost equipment to reconstruct, and now many of the guilty have been relocated.
This is of course all on top of the larger military policies of intentionally indiscriminately targeting civilian areas to general bombardment and fundamental war crimes of that nature.
What a horrific mess.
They show that at around 20:00, 6 Russian helicopters took off from the Ziabrauka military airfield (Gomel region, Belarus) and headed for the Shatalovo military airfield (Smolensk region, Russia).
— MotolkoHelp (@MotolkoHelp) April 5, 2022
2/7
The remaining helicopters began to return, and the helicopter with reg. number RF-90665 was flying over Gomel region (Belarus) for an hour, trying to find and catch up with the aircraft, but it couldn't.
— MotolkoHelp (@MotolkoHelp) April 5, 2022
4/7
Tweet 5 not posted for language filter reasons but the text is:
"812, where are you now, tell me honestly? Timurchik, ****ing tell us, please, in Russian. Are you staying there or not?", the pilot of one of the helicopters said.
We do not know where exactly the aircraft went, but we remind you that UkrOboronProm is ready to pay $500,000 for a hijacked or stolen helicopter in working order. Perhaps the helicopter’s pilot simply decided to make the right choice.
— MotolkoHelp (@MotolkoHelp) April 5, 2022
7/7
So much of all Putin's actions were based on the theory he couldn't lose. If you don't lose, you can hide the truth.
When they retreated they didn't have time, or ability, to hide the truth.
Sometimes it's just that simple.
When they retreated they didn't have time, or ability, to hide the truth.
Sometimes it's just that simple.
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