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wtmartinaggie said:

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Honest question... is a Russian collapse really in our best interest? I think one of their reps said it best that if we decapitate Russia and cause it to collapse we will have 5-6 nuclear nation states to deal with. Could end up backfiring. It also would very much open the door for China to move on resource rich and sparsley populated areas of eastern siberia. Could be bad for the long-game...

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We don't want to collapse Russia, we want Putin gone. Hopefully the latter happens first.

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Proc92 said:

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wtmartinaggie said:

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Honest question... is a Russian collapse really in our best interest? I think one of their reps said it best that if we decapitate Russia and cause it to collapse we will have 5-6 nuclear nation states to deal with. Could end up backfiring. It also would very much open the door for China to move on resource rich and sparsley populated areas of eastern siberia. Could be bad for the long-game...

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Losing Putin wouldn't collapse Russia into 6 nuclear states. They have an infrastructure and could elect a new govt and even get international support to do so.

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RebelE Infantry said:

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mickeyrig06sq3 said:

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wtmartinaggie said:

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Honest question... is a Russian collapse really in our best interest? I think one of their reps said it best that if we decapitate Russia and cause it to collapse we will have 5-6 nuclear nation states to deal with. Could end up backfiring. It also would very much open the door for China to move on resource rich and sparsley populated areas of eastern siberia. Could be bad for the long-game...

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We don't want to collapse Russia, we want Putin gone. Hopefully the latter happens first.

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The variable in this calculation is who replaces him? I highly doubt it will be anyone friendlier. I think the odds of things getting worse far outweigh the likelihood that people vote in western liberal democracy so that they can get their McDonald's, Netflix, and porn back…

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one MEEN Ag said:

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That won't happen though.

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aggiehawg said:

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Best of luck and prayers continue to be sent.

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P.U.T.U said:

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Here is the link to the interview with the retired Marine Recon that was and will be on the ground helping train the Ukes. They are estimating more Uke citizens are dead than soldiers. Russia has a history of cremating their dead soldiers so they can cover up how many are actually killed.

Vigilance Elite interview with Mark Turner

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Well……that’s not a good sign https://t.co/fBNf9d0QrC

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) March 24, 2022

Food for thought: with many exceptions, men in Russia between the ages of 18 and 27 are obligated to serve in the military. The next wave of conscription is next week, beginning April 1. pic.twitter.com/WMGBtU7Ve5

— Kevin Rothrock (@KevinRothrock) March 24, 2022

Besides the complete destruction of the Russian Alligator-Class Amphibious Landing Ship named the “Orsk” as well as a Large Stockpile of Fuel/Munitions at the Port, another much Larger Russian Ropucha-Class Amphibious Landing Ship can be seen Fleeing with her deck on Fire. pic.twitter.com/yQ3mpYE3TX

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) March 24, 2022

Captain Positivity said:

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Besides the complete destruction of the Russian Alligator-Class Amphibious Landing Ship named the “Orsk” as well as a Large Stockpile of Fuel/Munitions at the Port, another much Larger Russian Ropucha-Class Amphibious Landing Ship can be seen Fleeing with her deck on Fire. pic.twitter.com/yQ3mpYE3TX

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) March 24, 2022

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⚡️ CNN: US still opposed to providing fighter jets to Ukraine.

A senior U.S. official told CNN that the country’s position has not changed on the matter.

“You have thousands of fighter jets, but we have not been given one yet,” President Zelensky in his video address to NATO.

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) March 24, 2022

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Captain Positivity said:

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Besides the complete destruction of the Russian Alligator-Class Amphibious Landing Ship named the “Orsk” as well as a Large Stockpile of Fuel/Munitions at the Port, another much Larger Russian Ropucha-Class Amphibious Landing Ship can be seen Fleeing with her deck on Fire. pic.twitter.com/yQ3mpYE3TX

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) March 24, 2022

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FireAg said:

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This war seems to be shaping up as follows...

The only way for the Russians to turn the tide at this point appears to be a move away from conventional warfare toward a WMD campaign...

But a WMD campaign, at this point, I think would engage the eastern bloc NATO countries to move troops into Ukraine...which then puts other NATO countries on the verge of WWIII as they move to reinforce and protect the borders of eastern bloc NATO countries in the spirit and in honor of Article 5...

The best outcome for the entire world is one that would have saved the world from WWII given a similar predicament...cut the head off of the leadership of the offending force...

The world needs Putin to be dispatched...

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Perhaps but I don't think so. I think this continues as a long, drawn out fight where Russia eventually wins but at tremendous cost to Russia and with Ukraine basically being destroyed. That's sadly in the best interests of NATO at this point because the real danger is when Russia decides to move to the next step and go after one of the Baltics or Poland that are NATO countries. That's when the nuclear risk really kicks in, Russia would be crushed from a conventional perspective so it's either accept defeat or go nuclear. So as much as it is horrible the best thing for us is for this to stay in Ukraine. Russia is not going to quit, they are fully committed.

As for Putin, certainly taking him out may solve this but it also means Russia goes into chaos. There is no one in Russia who can replace him, Putin has destroyed all his opposition internally and there are just very few people even capable of being in charge of such a complex country there. So you are looking at a possible Civil War or failed state or both. In a country with thousands of nukes and a lot of really bad people. Maybe that turns out ok but that could actually end up even more dangerous.

It's really frightening we don't have any adults in charge of our foreign policy right now.

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The best interest of NATO is to keep russia in russia. If you give them Ukraine you just put a significant amount of their intermediate and some of their short range weapons in NATO range. Its 500 miles from western border to Dnieper river, if you kick them out completely including Crimea that jumps to 750 miles. Ukraine also has very valuable strategic resources: Black Sea access, Agriculture, O&G, Etc absolutely nuts to give them all this while allowing them to commit genocide on the Ukrainian peoples.

The Risk of Nuclear war already exists. Is the world prepared to let anyone with Nukes steal land and murder people?

Russia is a failed state now. We have to have faith and prepare that a new group of leaders better than putin rises to the occasion. Prepare for future problems now but deal with them as they come about nukes or not.

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Of course it would be better if Russia retreated but that isn't going to happen or is very unlikely to happen. Russia is trying to seal itself off from a future attack while it still can, it's in demographic collapse and in 10 years (maybe less) simply won't be capable of doing so. The lack of military age males in Russia is a real problem. So they have gone all in and to retreat means total collapse and soon rather than later. Russians don't look at this the same way we do and they are far more accustomed to a harsh life. I mean it's possible they just "go back to Russia" but extremely unlikely so what we are looking at is the much more likely scenario that they continue to attack Ukraine until the conquer it no matter the cost.

Taking out Putin certainly reshuffles the deck but that seems very unllikely to happen. He has a death grip on power and is still supported by most Russians. Russians like a nationalist and they don't really have an alternative as Putin has made sure of that. He's 70 but in pretty good health. So the only way you are probably taking him out is assassination and that's a really, really dangerous card to play because no one knows who or what will replace him and how they will react if they think NATO is behind taking out Putin.

You need to look a few moves further down the chess board.

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LMCane said:

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aggie93 said:

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JFABNRGR said:

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aggie93 said:

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FireAg said:

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This war seems to be shaping up as follows...

The only way for the Russians to turn the tide at this point appears to be a move away from conventional warfare toward a WMD campaign...

But a WMD campaign, at this point, I think would engage the eastern bloc NATO countries to move troops into Ukraine...which then puts other NATO countries on the verge of WWIII as they move to reinforce and protect the borders of eastern bloc NATO countries in the spirit and in honor of Article 5...

The best outcome for the entire world is one that would have saved the world from WWII given a similar predicament...cut the head off of the leadership of the offending force...

The world needs Putin to be dispatched...

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Perhaps but I don't think so. I think this continues as a long, drawn out fight where Russia eventually wins but at tremendous cost to Russia and with Ukraine basically being destroyed. That's sadly in the best interests of NATO at this point because the real danger is when Russia decides to move to the next step and go after one of the Baltics or Poland that are NATO countries. That's when the nuclear risk really kicks in, Russia would be crushed from a conventional perspective so it's either accept defeat or go nuclear. So as much as it is horrible the best thing for us is for this to stay in Ukraine. Russia is not going to quit, they are fully committed.

As for Putin, certainly taking him out may solve this but it also means Russia goes into chaos. There is no one in Russia who can replace him, Putin has destroyed all his opposition internally and there are just very few people even capable of being in charge of such a complex country there. So you are looking at a possible Civil War or failed state or both. In a country with thousands of nukes and a lot of really bad people. Maybe that turns out ok but that could actually end up even more dangerous.

It's really frightening we don't have any adults in charge of our foreign policy right now.

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The best interest of NATO is to keep russia in russia. If you give them Ukraine you just put a significant amount of their intermediate and some of their short range weapons in NATO range. Its 500 miles from western border to Dnieper river, if you kick them out completely including Crimea that jumps to 750 miles. Ukraine also has very valuable strategic resources: Black Sea access, Agriculture, O&G, Etc absolutely nuts to give them all this while allowing them to commit genocide on the Ukrainian peoples.

The Risk of Nuclear war already exists. Is the world prepared to let anyone with Nukes steal land and murder people?

Russia is a failed state now. We have to have faith and prepare that a new group of leaders better than putin rises to the occasion. Prepare for future problems now but deal with them as they come about nukes or not.

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Of course it would be better if Russia retreated but that isn't going to happen or is very unlikely to happen. Russia is trying to seal itself off from a future attack while it still can, it's in demographic collapse and in 10 years (maybe less) simply won't be capable of doing so. The lack of military age males in Russia is a real problem. So they have gone all in and to retreat means total collapse and soon rather than later. Russians don't look at this the same way we do and they are far more accustomed to a harsh life. I mean it's possible they just "go back to Russia" but extremely unlikely so what we are looking at is the much more likely scenario that they continue to attack Ukraine until the conquer it no matter the cost.

Taking out Putin certainly reshuffles the deck but that seems very unllikely to happen. He has a death grip on power and is still supported by most Russians. Russians like a nationalist and they don't really have an alternative as Putin has made sure of that. He's 70 but in pretty good health. So the only way you are probably taking him out is assassination and that's a really, really dangerous card to play because no one knows who or what will replace him and how they will react if they think NATO is behind taking out Putin.

You need to look a few moves further down the chess board.

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Russia has a population in 2022 of 146,000,000 citizens

to think that the Russian Army doesn't have enough potential recruits to seal itself off from future attack is not accurate.

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A large explosion just occurred in Kyiv oblast. Unclear exactly where. pic.twitter.com/Ujdu0AI7Ik

— OSINT-Eye (@OSINT_Eye_) March 24, 2022

WSJ: UK says Prigozhin’s Wagner Group has been tasked with assassinating the President of Ukraine https://t.co/Vy2kCNVqla pic.twitter.com/tLWE3cF8tt

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) March 24, 2022