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Zelensky really wants other countries to send their sons and daughters to Ukraine to fight and die
No he is trying to get help, as would anyone in the same situation
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No he is trying to get help, as would anyone in the same situation
It changes nothing. NATO boundaries don't change. There is zero expansion westward. It flips a neutral country in no man's land to their side that they have to actively expend much energy to suppress. They basically have Vietnam / Afghanistan 2.0 inside their own borders while NATO watches.Rossticus said:FriscoKid said:
Probably not a smart move. He has the support of the west right now and they are giving him a crapload of weapons to fight Putin. He can't bully NATO into a no-fly agreement.
If Ukraine falls then NATO is suddenly in a bind with the inevitability of Russian military installations being built all along its eastern border and nuclear threats from Russia if they don't withdraw their forces westward. A Ukrainian loss creates a potentially significant problem for NATO and Europe so it does cut both ways. And we've seen how we react to nuclear threats.
Meanwhile, NATO has added members because of Russia's actions. Putin has caused all the opposite things he ever wanted to happen with his move here.
Rossticus said:
Whoop!
Interesting point is that after day 1 it was confirmed that nearly 50% had been destroyed during attempt to scramble. Infer from this what you will.BREAKING: A U.S.official confirms that Ukraine still has a “significant majority” of its aircraft intact
— Samuel Ramani (@SamRamani2) March 5, 2022
Makes you wonder if NATO gave them planes after all
What planes?
So ID markings help identify friend from foe...
— Joseph Dempsey (@JosephHDempsey) March 5, 2022
But the three white bands actually make #Russia 🇷🇺 helicopters look more like #Ukraine 🇺🇦 counterparts who adopted two white bands during 2014 conflict!!! pic.twitter.com/eGXzOCwIj1
❗️#Ukraine asks #Germany for supply of heavy weapons. According to AFP, this includes tanks, submarines and combat helicopters. A spokesman for the #German Ministry of Defense said that a number of supplies were ready for shipment, but did not specify which ones.
— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) March 5, 2022
After a week or more of no sleep, two or more assassination attempts, and splitting time on an active military campaign and international relations I'm probably willing to cut him some slack...Rossticus said:
Zelensky not pulling punches. Just called NATO p***ies.New: Zelensky in late night address tonight slams NATO over ruling out no-fly zone. “This is the self-hypnosis of those who are weak, insecure inside, despite the fact they possess weapons many times stronger than we have," he said.
— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) March 4, 2022
Follow-up about the supplies. Ukraine makes it through the next 72 hours, they can probably take back the north. Who knows about the south.
Just wanted to clarify the tweet below so it doesn't read as an end-of-war prediction. (Sadly it's not). My resources comment was about existing inventory/supplies in Ukraine. More can and will be supplied, but is a logistical nightmare.
— Christo Grozev (@christogrozev) March 4, 2022
On the sanctions...they are really good. https://t.co/J1Ja6CPQkv
Zelensky should be reminding the West about the 1994 Budapest memo.
Ukraine held up its end of the bargain by getting rid of its nukes. In hindsight, they were foolish to do so.
Ukraine held up its end of the bargain by getting rid of its nukes. In hindsight, they were foolish to do so.
YouBet said:Wasn't even looking at the headcount back then. Was commenting on the obvious ****ting the bed by Russia in Ukraine. They clearly can't take this to a NATO country. They are done.ABATTBQ11 said:YouBet said:TexAgs identified this days ago, as usual.Captain Positivity said:One of the major lessons from this is that NATO forces could absolutely deal with any sort of Russian offensive into Europe. https://t.co/Jrm7V9qD5T
— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) March 4, 2022
There's some conflation there. 18 million served, but the German army was never more than 10 million at any one time and many of those were drafted conscripts. Russia could easily draft conscripts and increase their military size the same way the Germans did.
Also, in 2022....the EU has 4x the population. Good luck to Russia.
Edit: to be clear, I'm no fan of the EU and their qualifications to have balls, but the minority that does who are trained smoke Russia all day long.
Yeah I don't think the Russians win a ground war at this point. Doesn't mean they won't try though. Part of the assumed doctrine for Russia was making sprints into NATO territory, then digging in. Essentially take ground and force NATO to either sacrifice men and materials to kick them out or negotiate a settlement where they win ground. I could see them trying it with the Baltic states or helping Belarus.
EMY92 said:How many NATO countries are prepared to fight?Agthatbuilds said:Captain Positivity said:One of the major lessons from this is that NATO forces could absolutely deal with any sort of Russian offensive into Europe. https://t.co/Jrm7V9qD5T
— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) March 4, 2022
Yep, nato would apparently destroy the paper tiger that is Russia.
It would definitely, imo, lead to the use of nuclear weapons as Russia wouldn't have a choice if they wanted to survive.
The head of the German military said that German forces are not ready, they've been begging for additional funding since the Crimea invasion, but just now got the politicians to wake up.
I bet Poland is ready, they still have too many memories of life behind the Iron Curtain. Some of the other eastern European countries may be ready, but they'd be resource poor.
France? GB? I would guess that France is more ready than GB since they still do some fighting in Africa, but I doubt that they are trained and equipped to deal with the Russians.
Even the US would have to pivot rapidly and move much more equipment to Europe. We are just now starting to think about peer to peer engagements. Our focus for the past couple of decades has been the WOT. Our Air Force has too few squadrons that meet readiness standards. War in Eastern Europe isn't a great location for our Navy. The Army and Marines would have the best shot, but I'm not sure how ready the Army is currently.
It doesn't mean that we wouldn't win, but it would be much more painful that it should be.
The Russians tires are literally falling off; their trucks cant go through mud. Their tanks have no defense against our weapons. They can't get air superiority vs a much lesser air force. Their supply lines are trash (and that's with a year to build it up). Their precision weapons are not that precise.
France, the uk and the USA could take them out. No doubt it would be a very costly war, both in blood and money. Help from other allies would only strengthen our force.
I'm not for that fight. My idea is that it's even more important for us to not get involved because the only response the Russians would have would be tactical nukes or worse. They are the ones woth the escalate to deescalate doctrine.
To be completely transparent, I go back and forth on getting involved here. Seeing the "innocent" uke civilians getting targeted really charges me up emotionally. It also presents a chance to take out a major world disruptor for a long long time. It would also send a message to China.
But, it still isn't worth it because of the nuke threat.
That said, we shouldn't get involved beyond what we've already done until we should.
CondensedFoggyAggie said:🇷🇺🇺🇦Unidades especiales chechenas posiblemente en el convoy que se dirige a #Kiev desde el norte.
— RGD (@tgn1162) March 4, 2022
🇬🇧Chechen special units possibly in the convoy heading to Kiev from the north. pic.twitter.com/51z9DUMHpT
Is that....some toyota they're riding on?
Damn, not yet day 10 and riding into battle on civilian vehicles.
If I am not mistaken that video was posted several days ago before the news of a Chechen battalion getting ambushed made the news.
This is why you don't use Chinese knockoffs in your time of need. Their tires are Chinese knockoffs
This war has given great info as to the preparedness and modernity of Russian Air and ground forces. The verdict so far is they are a paper tiger full of issues beyond weaponry.
What about their navy? Is it a good bet it's in as much disrepair as the rest of their military or is it in better shape?
What about their navy? Is it a good bet it's in as much disrepair as the rest of their military or is it in better shape?
Irish 2.0 said:
This is why you don't use Chinese knockoffs in your time of need. Their tires are Chinese knockoffs
Indeed. The tires are a microcosm of a larger issue.
Irish 2.0 said:
This is why you don't use Chinese knockoffs in your time of need. Their tires are Chinese knockoffs
Russia isn't going to be buying anything BUT cheap Chinese knockoff goods at inflated prices, both military and domestic, for the foreseeable future. They're boned when it comes to supplying their country with anything.
Rossticus said:Irish 2.0 said:
This is why you don't use Chinese knockoffs in your time of need. Their tires are Chinese knockoffs
Russia is going to be buying anything BUT cheap Chinese knockoff goods at inflated prices, both military and domestic, for the foreseeable future. They're boned when it comes to supplying their country with anything.
You think China is swapping out all their tires right now?
Agthatbuilds said:Rossticus said:Irish 2.0 said:
This is why you don't use Chinese knockoffs in your time of need. Their tires are Chinese knockoffs
Russia is going to be buying anything BUT cheap Chinese knockoff goods at inflated prices, both military and domestic, for the foreseeable future. They're boned when it comes to supplying their country with anything.
You think China is swapping out all their tires right now?
Autocorrect. Should have read "Russia ISN'T going to be buying anything but cheap Chinese knockoffs."
I read isnt
Agthatbuilds said:
I read isnt
I think we're on the same page. Chinese knock offs suck and Russia is stuck with sole supply from China now. They fooked.
If China makes a big Michelin order, we'll know they're invading Taiwan
Likely in similar shape. Lots of fancy looking weapons systems on their ships that are probably not very reliable thanks to poor maintenance, if they even function at all. Shortly after the end of the Cold War we visited one of their pacific bases, and we tied up next to a line of their destroyers which were all moored by their stern. The first couple of ships looked well kept and impressive but as you looked down the line you could see the ones further from us were simply rusting at the pier, and probably couldn't have even gotten underway. Total rust buckets. Granted this was nearly 30 years ago, but judging by their Army's performance I don't think much has changed.Agthatbuilds said:
This war has given great info as to the preparedness and modernity of Russian Air and ground forces. The verdict so far is they are a paper tiger full of issues beyond weaponry.
What about their navy? Is it a good bet it's in as much disrepair as the rest of their military or is it in better shape?
Their sub fleet is most likely in much better shape however.
Cornyn is leading the charge on bipartisan Lend/Lease act in the Senate. Companion bill in the house. Note the release date. We knew this was coming.
https://www.cornyn.senate.gov/content/news/cornyn-lend-lease-bill-will-aid-ukraine-face-russian-invasion
https://www.cornyn.senate.gov/content/news/cornyn-lend-lease-bill-will-aid-ukraine-face-russian-invasion
Keegan99 said:
Zelensky should be reminding the West about the 1994 Budapest memo.
Ukraine held up its end of the bargain by getting rid of its nukes. In hindsight, they were foolish to do so.
Wasn't the main reason they gave them up was they couldn't afford to maintain them without financial help? Keeping the missiles safe and launch ready is incredibly expensive and they couldn't do it on their own.
Better get on it. Needed to start yesterday.
I'm also skeptical it'd work here like back then because the bodies aren't there to fight. Ultimately, the ukes need more soldiers.
I'm also skeptical it'd work here like back then because the bodies aren't there to fight. Ultimately, the ukes need more soldiers.
I know it's highly unlikely, but you're saying there's a chance we might see German made tanks in an Eastern Europe combat theater?TRM said:❗️#Ukraine asks #Germany for supply of heavy weapons. According to AFP, this includes tanks, submarines and combat helicopters. A spokesman for the #German Ministry of Defense said that a number of supplies were ready for shipment, but did not specify which ones.
— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) March 5, 2022
Driving east????
Agthatbuilds said:
Better get on it. Needed to start yesterday.
I'm also skeptical it'd work here like back then because the bodies aren't there to fight. Ultimately, the ukes need more soldiers.
They had started on in back in January. Released publicly on 2/1. We knew that this was going to happen. Pissed that the administration didn't take a stronger stance on deterrence. Would have potentially saved many lives and much money.
https://www.cornyn.senate.gov/content/news/cornyn-lend-lease-bill-will-aid-ukraine-face-russian-invasion
jabberwalkie09 said:I know it's highly unlikely, but you're saying there's a chance we might see German made tanks in an Eastern Europe combat theater?TRM said:❗️#Ukraine asks #Germany for supply of heavy weapons. According to AFP, this includes tanks, submarines and combat helicopters. A spokesman for the #German Ministry of Defense said that a number of supplies were ready for shipment, but did not specify which ones.
— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) March 5, 2022
DO IT
Let's be real, they will ship them either by rail or truck to Poland probably. But I think Germany isn't going to do this given their hesitation on even letting Panzerfaust III's go to Ukraine.Agthatbuilds said:
Driving east????
Germans are coming around quickly. They know they screwed the pooch on this and Scholz is pissed that Putin played them like a cheap drum. Baerbock is a massive human rights advocate and the civilian casualties are really getting her undies in a bunch. They're blaming themselves for slowing NATO response leading up to this.
They do need to do some self reflection here, but that's discussion for another time. While I'd love to see some Leopards mixing it up, I really don't think that's in the cards. I'd assume they would send some IFV's if they did anything. I would assume that they are still holding onto some equipment from the old West Germany days.Rossticus said:
Germans are coming around quickly. They know they screwed the pooch on this and Scholz is pissed that Putin played them like a cheap drum. Baerbock is a massive human rights advocate and the civilian casualties are really getting her undies in a bunch. They're blaming themselves for slowing NATO response leading up to this.
Looks to me like Ukraine mostly needs good secure radios and a lot of truckloads of diesel. They could basically just drive off with companies' worth of Russian equipment and redeploy it as their own.
not a surprise to anyone here
US and NATO officials monitoring the war in Ukraine told Russia now appears poised to “bombard cities into submission," which could inflict significant civilian casualties, a senior western intelligence official told CNN https://t.co/cSnjgXg3ws
— Euromaidan Press (@EuromaidanPress) March 5, 2022
Fitch said:After a week or more of no sleep, two or more assassination attempts, and splitting time on an active military campaign and international relations I'm probably willing to cut him some slack...Rossticus said:
Zelensky not pulling punches. Just called NATO p***ies.New: Zelensky in late night address tonight slams NATO over ruling out no-fly zone. “This is the self-hypnosis of those who are weak, insecure inside, despite the fact they possess weapons many times stronger than we have," he said.
— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) March 4, 2022
He's also desperately reading about Russia's general mobilization rumors, all the arms in the country being shipped west across Russia, the 95% of the Russian air force that's untouched etc. While being shelled at daily. The nuclear reactor being shot at, and if Putin goes truly loco...
Also, the casualty reports that he has to read of his soldiers and citizens dying, the counteroffensive orders he reads and knows is sending men to their deaths.
I have no clue how this man keeps it together. I couldn't even with a cocktail of antidepressants.
Of course he knows why not a single country will sent it's men, but still, it must sting something brutal we can't even begin to imagine.
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