Compilation combat vid.

This is apparently in the location of the bridge that the ukrainians destroyed yesterday north of Kyiv

Per a report from the Ukrainian MOD, the Russians are trying a pontoon crossing over the Irpin River. pic.twitter.com/tN4YTjze9X

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) February 28, 2022

BQ_90 said:

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Boo Weekley said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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If true, it’s probably the first tank ever stolen by a farmer… ))
Ukrainians are tough cookies indeed. #StandWithUkraine #russiagohome pic.twitter.com/TY0sigffaM

— olexander scherba🇺🇦 (@olex_scherba) February 27, 2022

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Man that is some Texas or Louisiana ass sh**.

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Tractor had a Z on it, most likely Russian driving it

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different tractor video.

txags92 said:

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ttu_85 said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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Jsimonds58 said:

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Wow, the European Union has just announced after the earlier announcement that NATO Provided Combat Aircraft will be Fighting in Ukrainian Airspace within the next hour, this could completely change the War.

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) February 27, 2022

Holy ****

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Flying in #Ukraine skies within the hour. https://t.co/8NKJiP8upG

— Alexandre Krauss (@AlexandreKrausz) February 27, 2022

Guy is a senior advisor EU parliament.

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Then he is a dumbass announcing this. Good lord !!!

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What if it is cover? Claim "NATO is giving them new jets that will be in the air shortly", then fly in a few pairs of F35s to dismantle the Russian armored columns traveling toward Kiev. Gives plausible deniability...as has been said, Putin is going to take it the same either way, so why go to the trouble of sending old crap planes.

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Several problems. THe mig-29's are not at all stealthy. The F-35 is pretty darn but not perfectly stealthy. And advance radar could tell the difference. Besides the the F-35 is a front line NATO fighter first. Yes it can do ground attacks but how well? Four are not going to do it well enough to "dismantle" a Russian armored thrust.

The take away: Very high escalation risk for a minimal to moderate military return.

GE said:

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JB!98 said:

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Unless they have some way of refueling the Mig-29's they don't have the combat radius to get to Kyiv from Lviv and have any on station time. They really can't make if from Poland to Kyiv and back. The Mig-29 has short legs like the F-18, I just don't know how they will get them close enough to the action to be effective.

Unless they are meant to be CAP over the West as a last resort.

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Do we have reason to believe they don't have a way to refuel them

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I don't know if the Ukes have or had any air to air refueling capability, but even if they did you need a very permissive environment to do it in theater. Most folks don't operate their tanking assets in a high threat environment.

Just look at the tanker tracks on ADS-B and where they are located. Those assets and the AWACS are going to be high value and kept out of harms way as much as possible.

Hard to sanction an economy that's already turd!

txags92 said:

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ttu_85 said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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Jsimonds58 said:

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Wow, the European Union has just announced after the earlier announcement that NATO Provided Combat Aircraft will be Fighting in Ukrainian Airspace within the next hour, this could completely change the War.

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) February 27, 2022

Holy ****

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Flying in #Ukraine skies within the hour. https://t.co/8NKJiP8upG

— Alexandre Krauss (@AlexandreKrausz) February 27, 2022

Guy is a senior advisor EU parliament.

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Then he is a dumbass announcing this. Good lord !!!

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What if it is cover? Claim "NATO is giving them new jets that will be in the air shortly", then fly in a few pairs of F35s to dismantle the Russian armored columns traveling toward Kiev. Gives plausible deniability...as has been said, Putin is going to take it the same either way, so why go to the trouble of sending old crap planes.

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Heavily modified, NATO compliant MiGs. Not just old crap.

This has been rumored all day but this is the biggest outlet to pick it up

Multiple sources say the decision has been made — and as soon as on Feb. 28 at 5 a.m. local time, the first Ilyushin Il-76 transport aircraft is very likely to take off carrying Belarusian paratroopers to be deployed against Ukraine. https://t.co/o8WcszVJNR

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) February 28, 2022

RangerRick9211 said:

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Hard to sanction an economy that's already turd!

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Think they mean military action

JobSecurity said:

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This is apparently in the location of the bridge that the ukrainians destroyed yesterday north of Kyiv

Per a report from the Ukrainian MOD, the Russians are trying a pontoon crossing over the Irpin River. pic.twitter.com/tN4YTjze9X

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) February 28, 2022

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Map clarification time. The red box is Demydiv, the reported area where the crossing is taking place. The blue line is the Irpin river. Red X is where the Russian mechanized formation was destroyed yesterday. pic.twitter.com/H6N8PxdYHF

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) February 28, 2022

https://www.pm.gov.au/media/economic-measures-against-russia-and-lethal-military-equipment-ukraine

Australia in with sanctions and lethal aid.

Yeah, I know. Just saying that sanction lever wouldn't have the same effect on Belarus. They're already on the verge of 3rd world. They suck. Boom 'em.

ttu_85 said:

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txags92 said:

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ttu_85 said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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Jsimonds58 said:

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Wow, the European Union has just announced after the earlier announcement that NATO Provided Combat Aircraft will be Fighting in Ukrainian Airspace within the next hour, this could completely change the War.

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) February 27, 2022

Holy ****

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Flying in #Ukraine skies within the hour. https://t.co/8NKJiP8upG

— Alexandre Krauss (@AlexandreKrausz) February 27, 2022

Guy is a senior advisor EU parliament.

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Then he is a dumbass announcing this. Good lord !!!

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What if it is cover? Claim "NATO is giving them new jets that will be in the air shortly", then fly in a few pairs of F35s to dismantle the Russian armored columns traveling toward Kiev. Gives plausible deniability...as has been said, Putin is going to take it the same either way, so why go to the trouble of sending old crap planes.

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Several problems. THe mig-29's are not at all stealthy. The F-35 is pretty darn but not perfectly stealthy. And advance radar could tell the difference. Besides the the F-35 is a front line NATO fighter first. Yes it can do ground attacks but how well? Four are not going to do it well enough to "dismantle" a Russian armored thrust.

The take away: Very high escalation risk for a minimal to moderate military return.

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Introducing new battlefield tech (F-35s) is definitely more of an escalation that providing Ukraine more of something they already have (MiG-29s). It's a very fine line to walk. We want to defeat Russia without provoking them to escalate or retaliate in some new way.

TriAg2010 said:

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ttu_85 said:

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txags92 said:

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ttu_85 said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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Jsimonds58 said:

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Wow, the European Union has just announced after the earlier announcement that NATO Provided Combat Aircraft will be Fighting in Ukrainian Airspace within the next hour, this could completely change the War.

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) February 27, 2022

Holy ****

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Flying in #Ukraine skies within the hour. https://t.co/8NKJiP8upG

— Alexandre Krauss (@AlexandreKrausz) February 27, 2022

Guy is a senior advisor EU parliament.

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Then he is a dumbass announcing this. Good lord !!!

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What if it is cover? Claim "NATO is giving them new jets that will be in the air shortly", then fly in a few pairs of F35s to dismantle the Russian armored columns traveling toward Kiev. Gives plausible deniability...as has been said, Putin is going to take it the same either way, so why go to the trouble of sending old crap planes.

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Several problems. THe mig-29's are not at all stealthy. The F-35 is pretty darn but not perfectly stealthy. And advance radar could tell the difference. Besides the the F-35 is a front line NATO fighter first. Yes it can do ground attacks but how well? Four are not going to do it well enough to "dismantle" a Russian armored thrust.

The take away: Very high escalation risk for a minimal to moderate military return.

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Introducing new battlefield tech (F-35s) is definitely more of an escalation that providing Ukraine more of something they already have (MiG-29s). It's a very fine line to walk. We want to defeat Russia without provoking them to escalate or retaliate in some new way.

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Exactly my point ! Well stated

jabberwalkie09 said:

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FTAco07 said:

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Non aviator translation? Why would they take out the good stuff and make them go old school analog radio?

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Not an aviator, there are a few on this board though. If these are going to be flying immediately over, either they are going over as-is and they will be going with their pilots flying the Ukrainian Flag as Ukrainians or the other countries have been already been preparing for this eventuality over the last couple of days and ripped any sensitive equipment out.

Frankly, I'm really wondering if we are going to be seeing a modern day Flying Tigers basically.

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It would be so badass if the 29s came from Poland and Polish "citizens" were flying them. Poles flew with the RAF as early as the Battle of Britain.

LIVE COVERAGE: Europe targets Lukashenko regime with latest sanctions https://t.co/xrU39iD2CD pic.twitter.com/gxV8KY9ong

— The Hill (@thehill) February 28, 2022

Sad news about Berdyansk
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10558367/Russia-takes-small-Ukrainian-town-naval-base-population-100000-people-tanks-in.html

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Russia takes small Ukrainian town with a naval base and a population of 100,000 people: Tanks move in and armed men take over municipal buildings

• Russian forces have entered and taken control of the town of Berdyansk
• The southern Ukrainian town has a small naval base on the Sea of Azov
• Oleksandr Svidlo, the acting mayor of the town posted a message to the town's residents on his Facebook page on Sunday
• He explained how officials had been asked to continue working but had decided to leave the the town hall offices instead of working under 'armed men'

By JAMES GORDON FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 18:42 EST, 27 February 2022 | UPDATED: 19:57 EST, 27 February 2022

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TRM said:

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JobSecurity said:

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This is apparently in the location of the bridge that the ukrainians destroyed yesterday north of Kyiv

Per a report from the Ukrainian MOD, the Russians are trying a pontoon crossing over the Irpin River. pic.twitter.com/tN4YTjze9X

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) February 28, 2022

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Map clarification time. The red box is Demydiv, the reported area where the crossing is taking place. The blue line is the Irpin river. Red X is where the Russian mechanized formation was destroyed yesterday. pic.twitter.com/H6N8PxdYHF

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) February 28, 2022

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So they are trying to row across a fortified river bank, you can't make this this **** up.

Why is always America who is concerned with escalation? Seems like the last war where we didn't care was WW2. Which, ironically, is the last war we really won. Maybe that is not a coincidence?

2wealfth Man said:

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go take that convoy out right now with those aircraft; you can evidently fly right down the row of 'em for miles

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Absolutely.

We could do the highway to Baghdad all over again. And hopefully we(the greater western world) does this very soon.

GE said:

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JB!98 said:

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Unless they have some way of refueling the Mig-29's they don't have the combat radius to get to Kyiv from Lviv and have any on station time. They really can't make if from Poland to Kyiv and back. The Mig-29 has short legs like the F-18, I just don't know how they will get them close enough to the action to be effective.

Unless they are meant to be CAP over the West as a last resort.

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Do we have reason to believe they don't have a way to refuel them?

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It's difficult to fly tankers over contested airspace.

txags92 said:

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JobSecurity said:

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This has been rumored all day but this is the biggest outlet to pick it up

Multiple sources say the decision has been made — and as soon as on Feb. 28 at 5 a.m. local time, the first Ilyushin Il-76 transport aircraft is very likely to take off carrying Belarusian paratroopers to be deployed against Ukraine. https://t.co/o8WcszVJNR

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) February 28, 2022

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Would be nice to see those new EU migs setup on the Belarus border and smoke those paratroopers out of the sky within a few minutes of entering UK airspace.

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Or spread a bunch of stingers along the border!

aTmAg said:

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Why is always America who is concerned with escalation? Seems like the last war where we didn't care was WW2. Which, ironically, is the last war we really won. Maybe that is not a coincidence?

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There is long-standing concern that tit-for-tat escalations between nuclear powers leads to nuclear war. That is not exclusively an American perspective. We have never warred against a nuclear power, nor has Russia. The more we ratchet lethal aid to Ukraine and sanctions on Russia, the more we risk entering fully into war with Russia - a nuclear power - with the aforementioned concern of a slipper slope towards nukes flying. I think they are manageable risks, but we must act deliberately and consider how our actions will be perceived.

Honestly the biggest concern I have right now isn't providing lethal aid to Ukraine, it's that Europe has closed all available air space to reach Kaliningrad. I think that's a really bad idea because it pokes directly at one of Russia's biggest fears and insecurities without really advancing our war fighting objective. That's the kind of careless escalation we don't need that could make the conflict worse.

AgsMyDude said:

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Dan Scott said:

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We've already essentially declared war on Russia. We're supplying Ukraine and sanctioning their economy. If I'm Russia that's declaration of war

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I was about to ask...what's the difference between providing weapons, aircraft, etc and bombing them ourselves? In their eyes it's probably equivalent

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I am sure on the ground they don't really know the difference.

TriAg2010 said:

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aTmAg said:

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Why is always America who is concerned with escalation? Seems like the last war where we didn't care was WW2. Which, ironically, is the last war we really won. Maybe that is not a coincidence?

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There is long-standing concern that tit-for-tat escalations between nuclear powers leads to nuclear war. That is not exclusively an American perspective. We have never warred against a nuclear power, nor has Russia. The more we ratchet lethal aid to Ukraine and sanctions on Russia, the more we risk entering fully into war with Russia - a nuclear power - with the aforementioned concern of a slipper slope towards nukes flying. I think they are manageable risks, but we must act deliberately and consider how our actions will be perceived.

Honestly the biggest concern I have right now isn't providing lethal aid to Ukraine, it's that Europe has closed all available air space to reach Kaliningrad. I think that's a really bad idea because it pokes directly at one of Russia's biggest fears and insecurities without really advancing our war fighting objective. That's the kind of careless escalation we don't need that could make the conflict worse.

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I really wonder what conversations we're having with China to intervene. I feel like a nuke voice in the room that isn't NATO would help.

RangerRick9211 said:

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TriAg2010 said:

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aTmAg said:

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Why is always America who is concerned with escalation? Seems like the last war where we didn't care was WW2. Which, ironically, is the last war we really won. Maybe that is not a coincidence?

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There is long-standing concern that tit-for-tat escalations between nuclear powers leads to nuclear war. That is not exclusively an American perspective. We have never warred against a nuclear power, nor has Russia. The more we ratchet lethal aid to Ukraine and sanctions on Russia, the more we risk entering fully into war with Russia - a nuclear power - with the aforementioned concern of a slipper slope towards nukes flying. I think they are manageable risks, but we must act deliberately and consider how our actions will be perceived.

Honestly the biggest concern I have right now isn't providing lethal aid to Ukraine, it's that Europe has closed all available air space to reach Kaliningrad. I think that's a really bad idea because it pokes directly at one of Russia's biggest fears and insecurities without really advancing our war fighting objective. That's the kind of careless escalation we don't need that could make the conflict worse.

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I really wonder what conversations we're having with China to intervene. I feel like a nuke voice in the room that isn't NATO would help.

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flakrat said:

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txags92 said:

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JobSecurity said:

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This has been rumored all day but this is the biggest outlet to pick it up

Multiple sources say the decision has been made — and as soon as on Feb. 28 at 5 a.m. local time, the first Ilyushin Il-76 transport aircraft is very likely to take off carrying Belarusian paratroopers to be deployed against Ukraine. https://t.co/o8WcszVJNR

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) February 28, 2022

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Would be nice to see those new EU migs setup on the Belarus border and smoke those paratroopers out of the sky within a few minutes of entering UK airspace.

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Or spread a bunch of stingers along the border!

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Don't have the range. Stinger is a short range missile. They could potentially get them on ascent or descent, but not cruising altitude.