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RONA Ag said:

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SPSAg05 said:

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⚡️⚡️⚡️People's Servant Party MP Fyodor Venislavsky reports that negotiations between #Ukraine and #Russia have started!

— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) February 27, 2022

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This is a big moment, break in tensions that Ukraine should string out in order to give their troops time to rest and weapons and ammunition from NATO to reach them

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anything less than total victory for putin a disaster.

of course, its already a disaster but this would be the end of him I would think

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I don't think a total victory is possible anymore. He may win this war, but he's lost the people and the world.

Any outcome now is essentially a loss because there's nothing he can do to save face globally.

No reason to join now. The ukes can kick their ass without paying dues to nato or being in the EU.

SPSAg05 said:

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Like US DEFCON levels, Russia has a number of readiness levels:
1. CONSTANT
2. ELEVATED
3. MILITARY DANGER
4. FULL

Putin ordered nuclear forces to ELEVATED level today. Concerning but not cause for panic yet

— Dmitri Alperovitch (@DAlperovitch) February 27, 2022

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Yeah, but it is creating "sky is falling" rhetoric on the news channels!

Yeah I don't give up a thing if I'm Zelensky. You can get out and we will return your POWs.

Russia will never actually make payments on reparations.

All Ukraine gains from talks are a chance to refortify and dig in deeper.

TheCougarHunter said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Why would Ukraine give anything up at this point?

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Because Russia has enough artillery and rocket assets to turn Kiev and all major cities into smoking piles of rubble.

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At the expense of their entire economy and excessive military personnel and assets that they can't replace because their economy is in shambles

fullback44 said:

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I was following along in one of the tweets and found and interesting comment

The head commander for Chechnya who is there leading his soldiers against the Ukraine said that

"we are losing this battle because the Ukraine army is loaded to teeth with modern weapons from the West, he says their equipment is no match against the modern weapons that Ukraine is using"

Sounds like the shoulder fired weapons like the Javelin and NLAW are tearing the invaders a new one

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Makes me think if the stories Andy Stumpf had on one of his podcasts about using the javelin against troop positions.
We need to increase the number of javelins, gustavs, NLAWS, stingers, et al by 10. The new paradigm isn't a gun behind every blade of grass but a hell of a lot more firepower than before. I bet the Baltic states are ramping up orders and training to that effect.

RONA Ag said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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RONA Ag said:

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SPSAg05 said:

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⚡️⚡️⚡️People's Servant Party MP Fyodor Venislavsky reports that negotiations between #Ukraine and #Russia have started!

— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) February 27, 2022

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This is a big moment, break in tensions that Ukraine should string out in order to give their troops time to rest and weapons and ammunition from NATO to reach them

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How do you not realize that a lull in fighting is more beneficial from a resupply standpoint for Russia than it is for Ukraine?

Ukraine should tell them to **** off.

The fighting doesn't stop until all invading forces are outsise Ukraine borders.

A lull gives Russia time to reinforce and resupply...now they know where the Ukrainian forces are weakest and they can remanuever to those points after stalling "talks" for a few days.

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Take it down a notch partner. With Russia already having exhausted 2/3rds of their men and all of their rocket supply (which has been documented as needing months to get more) more aid from nato to Ukraine is going to help. Russia isn't about to go and commit an addition 100,000 men to this war effort.

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You are assuming that Putin is rational. His actions thus far indicate that he is not.

Sure Ukraine gets some benefit from a lull in that they are going to get some additional supplies from NATO.

i don't think for a second after a few days of fighting russia has used 2/3 of their rockets.

Its vastly more important for russia to shore up supply lines than it is for Ukraine to get more aid.

Ukraine has been able to get supplies up to this point.

Russia has been struggling to get fuel trucks in to refuel artillery and armored units.

Russia is depending on those units more than Ukraine is depending on aid to successfully achieve thier goals.

These talks are 100% a tactical mistake while russian soldiers are on Ukranian soil.

buzzardb267 said:

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SPSAg05 said:

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Like US DEFCON levels, Russia has a number of readiness levels:
1. CONSTANT
2. ELEVATED
3. MILITARY DANGER
4. FULL

Putin ordered nuclear forces to ELEVATED level today. Concerning but not cause for panic yet

— Dmitri Alperovitch (@DAlperovitch) February 27, 2022

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Yeah, but it is creating "sky is falling" rhetoric on the news channels!

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I assumed as much - driving the mobile ICBMs by our embassy (i assume) would have been enough of a warning.

A lull in fighting provides time for Russians in Ukraine to contemplate capitulating.

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TheCougarHunter said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Why would Ukraine give anything up at this point?

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Because Russia has enough artillery and rocket assets to turn Kiev and all major cities into smoking piles of rubble.

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At the expense of their entire economy and excessive military personnel and assets that they can't replace because their economy is in shambles

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If you're the leader of the country would you be willing to gamble on the lives of millions of your people? Or give up a sliver of eastern land?

Just remember you're dealing with a man with nothing to lose. It's a tough call

Not gonna lie, Putin worries me now that he's getting his ass handed to him. How does he save face here and spin this? I'm 50/50 on him lobbing a nuke into Ukraine at this point. This has been an embarrassment for him.

Ag In Ok said:

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fullback44 said:

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I was following along in one of the tweets and found and interesting comment

The head commander for Chechnya who is there leading his soldiers against the Ukraine said that

"we are losing this battle because the Ukraine army is loaded to teeth with modern weapons from the West, he says their equipment is no match against the modern weapons that Ukraine is using"

Sounds like the shoulder fired weapons like the Javelin and NLAW are tearing the invaders a new one

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Makes me think if the stories Andy Stumpf had on one of his podcasts about using the javelin against troop positions.
We need to increase the number of javelins, gustavs, NLAWS, stingers, et al by 10. The new paradigm isn't a gun behind every blade of grass but a hell of a lot more firepower than before. I bet the Baltic states are ramping up orders and training to that effect.

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Read an article yesterday by a British army think-tank suggest there should be should fired rocket companies as part of the standard make up.

It would make Armor very difficult to use

Isnt this likely just Putin buying time to resupply his forces in Ukraine?

I'm done appeasing crackpot dictators just because they have a nuke button. Are we going to go through this exercise every time russia decides to bully around a non-nuclear nation?

TheCougarHunter said:

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aeroag14 said:

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TheCougarHunter said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Why would Ukraine give anything up at this point?

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Because Russia has enough artillery and rocket assets to turn Kiev and all major cities into smoking piles of rubble.

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At the expense of their entire economy and excessive military personnel and assets that they can't replace because their economy is in shambles

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If you're the leader of the country would you be willing to gamble on the lives of millions of your people? Or give up a sliver of eastern land?

Just remember you're dealing with a man with nothing to lose. It's a tough call

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You give up the land, then the thousands of Ukrainians died for nothing.

"Thanks for giving your life for your country, we're just going to still give the land to the invading dictator…"

Do you think the US has a communication channel with an oligarch or Russian high level military

aeroag14 said:

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TheCougarHunter said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Why would Ukraine give anything up at this point?

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Because Russia has enough artillery and rocket assets to turn Kiev and all major cities into smoking piles of rubble.

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At the expense of their entire economy and excessive military personnel and assets that they can't replace because their economy is in shambles

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Yep. Ukraine will eventually get the equivalent of Marshall Plan Part 2, while Russia will be left to rot.

Wall Street Journal headline:

"Germany to Raise Defense Spending Above 2% of GDP in Response to Ukraine War

Decision breaks with decades of lower investment in defense than peers and a growing energy partnership with Russia"

The Russians done eff'd up now..

74OA said:

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Congratulations Putin, you truly are Russia's worst enemy.

He's knocking the rust off NATO; I hear creaks of machinery starting move.

The new Tsar has even woken the Germans from their long sleep.

The law of unintended consequences is in full play.

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Well for one thing is that he's shown his firepower to NATO and the West and they realize Puttin would lose a real ground war very fast, they are ill equipped to handle the West's modern weapons.. he's shown his cards, his only card now is nuclear weapons …. He will be done if he tries that

98Ag99Grad said:

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Not gonna lie, Putin worries me now that he's getting his ass handed to him. How does he save face here and spin this? I'm 50/50 on him lobbing a nuke into Ukraine at this point. This has been an embarrassment for him.

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With hundreds of thousands of Russian troops and millions of Russian-speakers in Ukraine? It would be the end of Putin.

fullback44 said:

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I was following along in one of the tweets and found and interesting comment

The head commander for Chechnya who is there leading his soldiers against the Ukraine said that

"we are losing this battle because the Ukraine army is loaded to teeth with modern weapons from the West, he says their equipment is no match against the modern weapons that Ukraine is using"

Sounds like the shoulder fired weapons like the Javelin and NLAW are tearing the invaders a new one

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Link to the tweet?

Kenneth_2003 said:

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Why would Ukraine concede anything?

You kick the school yard bully in the teeth and still give him your lunch money?

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This exactly. It's pathetic that some folks are ready to roll over to a totalitarian like Putin so easily. It's clear he isn't as powerful as he thought.

RONA Ag said:

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Seen reports of European and American nationals making their way into Ukraine to help fight. Pretty incredible if true!!!

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Where did you see these reports? Link?

If I am the Ukes, I make "not blowing up the Russian gas pipelines to Europe" a part of the discussion. If the Russians are going to threaten destroying cities, then they should understand what they stand to lose in exchange.

Douph said:

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Do you think the US has a communication channel with an oligarch or Russian high level military

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Wouldn't be a bad bet.

74OA said:

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98Ag99Grad said:

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Not gonna lie, Putin worries me now that he's getting his ass handed to him. How does he save face here and spin this? I'm 50/50 on him lobbing a nuke into Ukraine at this point. This has been an embarrassment for him.

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With hundreds of thousands of Russian troops and millions of Russian-speakers in Ukraine? It would be the end of Putin.

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Honestly, as horrific as that scenario would be, it would be the best thing for the world and would result in him being removed by his own people immediately after.

National talking heads like meet the press on now are not adding new insight than what is here...