Not against advanced munitions, for example look at the TOW 2B it detonates above the tank and uses the massive pressure wave from that to set off the rounds inside the tank. Genius stuff

It looked like that car was driving right in the direction of the blast

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G Martin 87 said:

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JobSecurity said:

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"Our forces are not and will not be engaged in the conflict with Russia in Ukraine. Our forces are not going to Europe to fight in Ukraine but to defend our NATO allies and to reassure those allies in the east," Biden tells us at the White House. pic.twitter.com/5pHaVZTb9O

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) February 24, 2022

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Does it occur to anyone that picture angles like this make America look small and weak? Sure, it's for COVID social distancing, but still. Just a really stupid image to use at a time when we need to project strength and resolve.

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"This administration and I stand united... well, we, uh... stand.. I'm still able to stand anyways..."

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we need more Biden and Cumala wearing their black covid masks to really instill fear in Putin

anyone else notice the Russians don't give an F about Covid?

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CC footage of Ukraine forces blowing up a bridge over river Oskol in the town of Senkovo, to prevent Russia from putting the full encirclement of Kharkiv in place. pic.twitter.com/iqVRnQxFQ7

— Bashkarma (@Karmabash) February 24, 2022

Whoever was in that car is having a really bad night about now.

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Talk about poor timing

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CaXWydhDdGc/?utm_medium=copy_link

Jsimonds58 said:

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Not against advanced munitions, for example look at the TOW 2B it detonates above the tank and uses the massive pressure wave from that to set off the rounds inside the tank. Genius stuff

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74OA said:

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Whoever was in that car is having a really bad night about now.

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Hope that driver had a change of pants in the car.

JB!98 said:

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Seeing some of the Russian tanks with screen's welded to top of the turret. Is that an effective defense to a Javelin attack? I know the Javelin attacks from above and that is the reason for the screen, just wondering if it is effective?

If I remember correctly, we had screens attached to the side of Strykers and AAVs during Iraq to add defense against RPGs.

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From what I have seen they are not sure if they work, surely they tested them before but no battlefield experience

JB!98 said:

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Seeing some of the Russian tanks with screen's welded to top of the turret. Is that an effective defense to a Javelin attack? I know the Javelin attacks from above and that is the reason for the screen, just wondering if it is effective?

If I remember correctly, we had screens attached to the side of Strykers and AAVs during Iraq to add defense against RPGs.

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Spaced armor (The grille) is an effective counter to High Explosive Anti-Tank (HEAT) based projectiles as it is a shaped charged and thus to far/close to the target will not allow the proper formation and cohesion of the liquid metal jet.

Russian forces in Sevastopol were seen with T-72B's with HVAC grilles put on the top of the turret spaced about 2 ft above.

Jsimonds58 said:

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Not against advanced munitions, for example look at the TOW 2B it detonates above the tank and uses the massive pressure wave from that to set off the rounds inside the tank. Genius stuff

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Pretty sure it uses an explosively formed penetrator not a pressure wave?

The Blitz, Part Deux.

Métro #Kharkov il y a quelques instants.#UkraineRussie #Ukraine #UkraineCrisis #UkraineRussia pic.twitter.com/vioSiCrqEM

— Oriannalyla (@Lyla_lilas) February 24, 2022

Looks like it's true now

BREAKING: Ukrainian forces said to have now retaken the Hostomel Airfield following its earlier capture by Russian helicopter-borne VDV troops.

— Conflict News (@Conflicts) February 24, 2022

JB!98 said:

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Seeing some of the Russian tanks with screen's welded to top of the turret. Is that an effective defense to a Javelin attack? I know the Javelin attacks from above and that is the reason for the screen, just wondering if it is effective?

If I remember correctly, we had screens attached to the side of Strykers and AAVs during Iraq to add defense against RPGs.

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Those screens would be better suited for AP RPG rounds. Our Javelins are much more advanced.

Side note: I haven't seen anything about us giving the Ukrainians TOWS. Has anyone seen anything about TOWs being used?

Can't they set them 3 different ways? Above target, when it hits the target, or time delayed once it hits something hard?

I remember Andy Stumpf talk about using those on the Taliban when they were out of range for a sniper rifle. Plus you can shoot over rocks when they are hiding behind them.

Ukraine needs to get them in a close battle so they can fight dirty and Russia will not be able to use a lot of their assets

There are two different modes you can utilize with the TOW, a direct impact and the mode I'm talking about. I'll find the video link, source on this being I was hands on with them daily in the army as I was in a weapons company

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The Germans have never been about doing the right thing, only whatever is best for them economically. Germany didn't capitulate in WWII because they realized how wrong they were, the gave up because tanks rolled into Berlin and their industrial capacity was completely destroyed. For decades afterwards, millions of Germans would tell anybody who asked that they had no idea what was happening with the Jews, despite watching as their neighbors and friends were arrested and led away by the SS. Germany knows Russia is wrong here...but they don't want to do anything that inconvenience Germany. They don't care how many innocent people die or have to live under a puppet government ruled by a tyrant, they just care that their gas supply keeps flowing.

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Germany has been a plague on the world since 1867

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Jsimonds58 said:

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Not against advanced munitions, for example look at the TOW 2B it detonates above the tank and uses the massive pressure wave from that to set off the rounds inside the tank. Genius stuff

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Pretty sure it uses an explosively formed penetrator not a pressure wave?

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The TOW 2B Aero is the most modern and capable missile in the TOW family, with an extended maximum range to 4,500 meters. The TOW 2B Aero defeats all threat armor systems. The TOW 2B Aero Gen2 also incorporates an advanced counteractive protection system capability. The TOW 2B flies over the target, detects the target and fires two downward-directed, explosively formed penetrator warheads into the target.
https://asc.army.mil/web/portfolio-item/tube-launched-optically-tracked-wireless-guided-tow-missiles/

Javellin is top attack too, but uses a HEAT warhead. It might work against Javellin? Though the warhead, i assume is more destructive than an RPG

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Can't they set them 3 different ways? Above target, when it hits the target, or time delayed once it hits something hard?

I remember Andy Stumpf talk about using those on the Taliban when they were out of range for a sniper rifle. Plus you can shoot over rocks when they are hiding behind them.

Ukraine needs to get them in a close battle so they can fight dirty and Russia will not be able to use a lot of their assets

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JAVELIN are much better than TOW

SPIKE is better than both

US Army is moving to buy more Spikes in the last several months

Yeah I know about top attack vs direct fire, I just doubt the part about a pressure wave being the method of destruction

Edit: deddog got it

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Looks like it's true now

BREAKING: Ukrainian forces said to have now retaken the Hostomel Airfield following its earlier capture by Russian helicopter-borne VDV troops.

— Conflict News (@Conflicts) February 24, 2022

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that would be a VERY hopeful sign that at least some Uke units are fighting.

interesting to see in the next few days what happened to the paratroopers from Russia.

my guess is they will be traded for Uke prisoners in a few weeks.

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P.U.T.U said:

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Can't they set them 3 different ways? Above target, when it hits the target, or time delayed once it hits something hard?

I remember Andy Stumpf talk about using those on the Taliban when they were out of range for a sniper rifle. Plus you can shoot over rocks when they are hiding behind them.

Ukraine needs to get them in a close battle so they can fight dirty and Russia will not be able to use a lot of their assets

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JAVELIN are much better than TOW

SPIKE is better than both

US Army is moving to buy more Spikes in the last several months

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Check out Spike NLOS..that **** is impressive

Not here, please.

GAC06 said:

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Jsimonds58 said:

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Not against advanced munitions, for example look at the TOW 2B it detonates above the tank and uses the massive pressure wave from that to set off the rounds inside the tank. Genius stuff

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Pretty sure it uses an explosively formed penetrator not a pressure wave?

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Pressure wave is HEP/HESH I believe.

HEP/HESH = Big explosion to cause spralling
HEAT = Liquid metal jet to burn through armor
APFS = Long slug of dense metal to punch through like bullet

htownag10 said:

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Looks like it's true now

BREAKING: Ukrainian forces said to have now retaken the Hostomel Airfield following its earlier capture by Russian helicopter-borne VDV troops.

— Conflict News (@Conflicts) February 24, 2022

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Don't know.

BREAKING: An adviser to the president has clarified his previous remarks about who controls a key airfield north-west of Kyiv, @Reuters says.
The adviser is now saying that fighting is still going on between Ukrainian forces and Russian troops for control of Hostomel Airfield

— Deborah Haynes (@haynesdeborah) February 24, 2022

Anton Herashchenko reporting that Ukraine managed to win back Hostomel after paratrooper landing from helicopters. Claims Russians all scattered and official info to come pic.twitter.com/wx6qrqv0k6

— Euromaidan Press (@EuromaidanPress) February 24, 2022

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JB!98 said:

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Seeing some of the Russian tanks with screen's welded to top of the turret. Is that an effective defense to a Javelin attack? I know the Javelin attacks from above and that is the reason for the screen, just wondering if it is effective?

If I remember correctly, we had screens attached to the side of Strykers and AAVs during Iraq to add defense against RPGs.

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Those screens would be better suited for AP RPG rounds. Our Javelins are much more advanced.

Side note: I haven't seen anything about us giving the Ukrainians TOWS. Has anyone seen anything about TOWs being used?

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I have only heard of Javelins being sent from UK and NATO

but one would hope the Ukes would have been buying on the black market the last few years.

if the Syrian jihadis could get them, the Ukes should have been able to get them.

I did see video of Javelins being deployed from SUV like a landcruiser

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LMCane said:

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Can't they set them 3 different ways? Above target, when it hits the target, or time delayed once it hits something hard?

I remember Andy Stumpf talk about using those on the Taliban when they were out of range for a sniper rifle. Plus you can shoot over rocks when they are hiding behind them.

Ukraine needs to get them in a close battle so they can fight dirty and Russia will not be able to use a lot of their assets

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JAVELIN are much better than TOW

SPIKE is better than both

US Army is moving to buy more Spikes in the last several months

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Check out Spike NLOS..that **** is impressive

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Rafael is selling as many SPIKE NLOS to the US military as they are able.

pressure your Congressmen to buy more!

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Ukraine is certainly forcing disproportionate Russian resource expenditure proportional to realized gains. They're giving those red *******s all they want. Inflicted heavy casualties on Russian VDV during the airport op.

Ukrainian AF outperforming. Of course virtually nothing was expected of them, but every little bit helps.

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Yep, it's a "use it or lose" force against the Russian AF and SAMs. Might as well die hard.

Thanks for the education on the TOW and Javelin systems.

Rossticus said:

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Ukraine is certainly forcing disproportionate Russian resource expenditure proportional to realized gains. They're giving those red *******s all they want. Inflicted heavy casualties on Russian VDV during the airport op.

Ukrainian AF outperforming. Of course virtually nothing was expected of them, but every little bit helps.

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I've been wondering where the more mobile low-mid level AA systems are.... They should have a bunch of 9K33M2 (Osa - AK) around. That thing is a bane to helicopters by virtue of it being a wheeled, amphibious unit with its own engagement radars.
The Ukrainians could literally pull a mobile mid level AA net with that and run before any sort of SEAD mission comes in.

JB!98 said:

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Thanks for the education on the TOW and Javelin systems.

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A bit more:
TOW
Javelin

A little off topic but I can't imagine what it would've been like to watch 2003 Iraq with the social media and instantaneous news transfer that we have now