lb sand said:

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We've got time. I'm sure we would all be interested to hear how difficult it actually is to defend against small uav's.

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Matt_ag98 said:

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lb sand said:

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We've got time. I'm sure we would all be interested to hear how difficult it actually is to defend against small uav's.

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Can't talk about it, but I was there at the front of the issue with supposedly the best Western powers and technology in Afghanistan in 2020, let me just tell you it is a problem without an easy "catch all" solution

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fasthorse05 said:

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agent-maroon said:

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The Soviet government officially accepts blame for the Katyn Massacre of World War II, when nearly 5,000 Polish military officers were murdered and buried in mass graves in the Katyn Forest.

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Soviets admit to Katyn Massacre of World War II

There's a reason for the russian hate

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Not to mention the thousands and thousands of Polish citizens and underground Polish fighters who were slaughtered by the Germans as the Soviets watched.

As the Soviets approached Warsaw, the Poles got excited and relieved, and chose to attack the remaining Germans in Warsaw. Welp, the Soviets decided (I'm sure at Stalin's order) to stop their advance to allow the Germans to wipe out as many Poles as possible.

The Soviets were every bit as ruthless, if not more so than the Germans, plus, their cruelty lasted about 60 years. The Soviets were quite a bit more subtle in their crimes, not to mention most of the crimes were never seen, covered, or reported on by US press. (Not much has changed)..

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MouthBQ98 said:

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For these drones, aren't there vehicle mounted optical tracking systems that can spot these things and gun them down at closer range with a couple of .50 cal machine guns? They aren't fast, they aren't stealthy, they don't evade. They should be relatively easy to acquire, track, and hit.

The Army once fielded a light AA setup with something very much like this, a .50 or two and a couple of stingers.

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Eliminatus said:

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Matt_ag98 said:

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lb sand said:

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We've got time. I'm sure we would all be interested to hear how difficult it actually is to defend against small uav's.

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Can't talk about it, but I was there at the front of the issue with supposedly the best Western powers and technology in Afghanistan in 2020, let me just tell you it is a problem without an easy "catch all" solution

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I am near this realm myself these days and you are not kidding. Group 4 and 5 UAS you can use more conventional methods but the tiny little mavics and smaller that the Ukes are essentially using like snipers now are such a major problem right now.

It was an issue known already but this conflict accelerated it to a dire need to address and address it real damn quick.

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tunefx said:

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Eliminatus said:

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Matt_ag98 said:

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lb sand said:

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We've got time. I'm sure we would all be interested to hear how difficult it actually is to defend against small uav's.

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Can't talk about it, but I was there at the front of the issue with supposedly the best Western powers and technology in Afghanistan in 2020, let me just tell you it is a problem without an easy "catch all" solution

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I am near this realm myself these days and you are not kidding. Group 4 and 5 UAS you can use more conventional methods but the tiny little mavics and smaller that the Ukes are essentially using like snipers now are such a major problem right now.

It was an issue known already but this conflict accelerated it to a dire need to address and address it real damn quick.

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Yep and yep. Involved with CUAS since '17. Tiny birds are a huge challenge. Tech is gradually getting there but tracking and interdiction are difficult. Need to solve before we see massive coordinated swarm attacks.

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Eliminatus said:

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10thYrSr said:

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tunefx said:

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Eliminatus said:

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Matt_ag98 said:

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lb sand said:

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We've got time. I'm sure we would all be interested to hear how difficult it actually is to defend against small uav's.

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Can't talk about it, but I was there at the front of the issue with supposedly the best Western powers and technology in Afghanistan in 2020, let me just tell you it is a problem without an easy "catch all" solution

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I am near this realm myself these days and you are not kidding. Group 4 and 5 UAS you can use more conventional methods but the tiny little mavics and smaller that the Ukes are essentially using like snipers now are such a major problem right now.

It was an issue known already but this conflict accelerated it to a dire need to address and address it real damn quick.

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Yep and yep. Involved with CUAS since '17. Tiny birds are a huge challenge. Tech is gradually getting there but tracking and interdiction are difficult. Need to solve before we see massive coordinated swarm attacks.

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If you think you can fly a drone over sensitive areas in the United States, you are wrong. The only reason drones are working in Ukraine is because it is working in Ukrain's favor.

Drone denial is an active and real thing in other areas. Hell, anything that spoofs or jams GPS makes these things worthless. Not the threat you imagine.

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On a large and mobile battlefield it is a major issue that we are trying to solve. Trust me. I am currently working with an extremely large, household name corporation who is spending a lot of money trying to combat this very threat. CUAS is still evolving and outside of hyper localized static areas with large amounts of funding and support , we are not nearly as secure as we hope to be in the future. Advances are being made but we are not there yet on scale.

There is a huge difference between providing security to a small location stateside and fighting a mobile kinetic war. Maybe take it from two Aggies who are actively employed in this area and not just tell them "It is not the threat you think it is".

And if you happen to be an actual SME on this topic, we need to get in touch because you then obviously know something that about 40 engineers and scientists with international connections and clearances don't know. And that is just my individual team.

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docb said:

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I would think the best approach if feasible would be for Ukraine to make a push for Melitopol or even Maruipol to essentially cutoff the Russians in the south if they could establish some kind of fire control on the Kerch bridge (ATACMS?)

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Orkhiv-Tokmak-Melitopol route (55 miles) is the most direct route - but also the most obvious and probably heavily defended. It took Ukraine months to set the stage and recapture the NE quadrant of Kherson ... equiv to about 20 x 20 mile area. In the past, they've avoided frontal attacks like they'd likely face taking Melitopol.

We'll probably have to wait until late Spring to see how it unfolds. In the meantime, let's hope their winter is as miserable as possible.

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aezmvp said:

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If the export range on that is 250 km (155 mi) the front fine would put the bridge juuuuust within range. You find a hole in their air coverage and you could probably hit the damaged area.

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Smeghead4761 said:

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aezmvp said:

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If the export range on that is 250 km (155 mi) the front fine would put the bridge juuuuust within range. You find a hole in their air coverage and you could probably hit the damaged area.

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If they're putting them on Su-24s, why not just fly out over the Black Sea and launch at the bridge from there?

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Eliminatus said:

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10thYrSr said:

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tunefx said:

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Eliminatus said:

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Matt_ag98 said:

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lb sand said:

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We've got time. I'm sure we would all be interested to hear how difficult it actually is to defend against small uav's.

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Can't talk about it, but I was there at the front of the issue with supposedly the best Western powers and technology in Afghanistan in 2020, let me just tell you it is a problem without an easy "catch all" solution

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I am near this realm myself these days and you are not kidding. Group 4 and 5 UAS you can use more conventional methods but the tiny little mavics and smaller that the Ukes are essentially using like snipers now are such a major problem right now.

It was an issue known already but this conflict accelerated it to a dire need to address and address it real damn quick.

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Yep and yep. Involved with CUAS since '17. Tiny birds are a huge challenge. Tech is gradually getting there but tracking and interdiction are difficult. Need to solve before we see massive coordinated swarm attacks.

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If you think you can fly a drone over sensitive areas in the United States, you are wrong. The only reason drones are working in Ukraine is because it is working in Ukrain's favor.

Drone denial is an active and real thing in other areas. Hell, anything that spoofs or jams GPS makes these things worthless. Not the threat you imagine.

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On a large and mobile battlefield it is a major issue that we are trying to solve. Trust me. I am currently working with an extremely large, household name corporation who is spending a lot of money trying to combat this very threat. CUAS is still evolving and outside of hyper localized static areas with large amounts of funding and support , we are not nearly as secure as we hope to be in the future. Advances are being made but we are not there yet on scale.

There is a huge difference between providing security to a small location stateside and fighting a mobile kinetic war. Maybe take it from two Aggies who are actively employed in this area and not just tell them "It is not the threat you think it is".

And if you happen to be an actual SME on this topic, we need to get in touch because you then obviously know something that about 40 engineers and scientists with international connections and clearances don't know. And that is just my individual team.

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Matt_ag98 said:

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"They also have an auto home feature Wich sends them back to the takeoff point in the event of a disruption in communication."

Now this part can be where some of the "fun" begins, disrupt signal, watch it return to "home", fire for effect

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benchmark said:

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Interesting if actually delivered. Has 1,000 lb warhead and infrared imaging terminal guidance. Range is 350 miles ... or export model with 155 miles. If 350 mile version it can reach the Kerch Bridge. Link: Storm Shadow

#Poland will help #Ukraine adapt Su-24 bombers to carry #NATO Storm Shadow missiles, Polish media reported. pic.twitter.com/40WVWl6j1q

— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) November 6, 2022

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benchmark said:

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Smeghead4761 said:

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aezmvp said:

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If the export range on that is 250 km (155 mi) the front fine would put the bridge juuuuust within range. You find a hole in their air coverage and you could probably hit the damaged area.

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If they're putting them on Su-24s, why not just fly out over the Black Sea and launch at the bridge from there?

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SU-24s range. Assuming a round trip from (say) Odessa and staying low altitude (say) 100 miles off the Crimean coast - it's a 1,000 mile round trip. Doubtful the SU-24 has this range capability given the payload and external fuel tank req.

Just give them the 350 mile version.

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aezmvp said:

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benchmark said:

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Smeghead4761 said:

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aezmvp said:

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If the export range on that is 250 km (155 mi) the front fine would put the bridge juuuuust within range. You find a hole in their air coverage and you could probably hit the damaged area.

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If they're putting them on Su-24s, why not just fly out over the Black Sea and launch at the bridge from there?

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SU-24s range. Assuming a round trip from (say) Odessa and staying low altitude (say) 100 miles off the Crimean coast - it's a 1,000 mile round trip. Doubtful the SU-24 has this range capability given the payload and external fuel tank req.

Just give them the 350 mile version.

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The other option is from Uke territory over the front from Melitopol to Mariupol areas and that will have a good amount of air defenses. If those are softened up then you could chance it but Uke aircraft at a scarce commodity. And yes I'd be in favor of the 350 mi version too.

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#Ukraine: A Russian 5P85SM TEL of the S-300PM1/PM2 long-range AD system was destroyed on the move, reportedly in the vicinity of Iline, #Zaporizhzhia Oblast, ~60km from the frontline.

Would be very interesting to know how that target so far behind the lines was destroyed. pic.twitter.com/CVKOktmnUP

— 🇺🇦 Ukraine Weapons Tracker (@UAWeapons) November 8, 2022

JFABNRGR said:

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aezmvp said:

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benchmark said:

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Smeghead4761 said:

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aezmvp said:

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If the export range on that is 250 km (155 mi) the front fine would put the bridge juuuuust within range. You find a hole in their air coverage and you could probably hit the damaged area.

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If they're putting them on Su-24s, why not just fly out over the Black Sea and launch at the bridge from there?

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SU-24s range. Assuming a round trip from (say) Odessa and staying low altitude (say) 100 miles off the Crimean coast - it's a 1,000 mile round trip. Doubtful the SU-24 has this range capability given the payload and external fuel tank req.

Just give them the 350 mile version.

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The other option is from Uke territory over the front from Melitopol to Mariupol areas and that will have a good amount of air defenses. If those are softened up then you could chance it but Uke aircraft at a scarce commodity. And yes I'd be in favor of the 350 mi version too.

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Speaking of softening up this is supposedly 60KM deep and likely a HARM strike. Check out the amount of molten aluminum crossing the pavement.

#Ukraine: A Russian 5P85SM TEL of the S-300PM1/PM2 long-range AD system was destroyed on the move, reportedly in the vicinity of Iline, #Zaporizhzhia Oblast, ~60km from the frontline.

Would be very interesting to know how that target so far behind the lines was destroyed. pic.twitter.com/CVKOktmnUP

— 🇺🇦 Ukraine Weapons Tracker (@UAWeapons) November 8, 2022

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Could have been a single gunshot, as shown in this video: https://t.co/dBBsl54J50

— Banana Joe (@Bananas_on_Mars) November 8, 2022

The once mighty Russian/USSR missle arsenal is no more.

British Intelligence confirming Ukrainian info that Russia now has only 120 Iskanders and a few dozen Kalibers.

How long until Russia's neighbors start eyeing all those juicy Russian gas fields? pic.twitter.com/rcCTfN4CtY

— Jay in Kyiv (@JayinKyiv) November 8, 2022

According to ABC News, Ukraine has asked the US to receive C-Rams or as called by experts:

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!#Ukraine #USA pic.twitter.com/NHLyuM7pKu

— (((Tendar))) (@Tendar) November 8, 2022