Ukrainian artillery obliterated a battery of russian BM-27 Uragan multiple rocket launch systems (both launchers and support vehicles). pic.twitter.com/bH5U3fu3cL

— ✚ Walter Report ✚ 🇺🇦 (@walter_report) September 29, 2022

Hard to imagine the mentality of a Russian soldier/conscript knowing how exposed you are at any given moment and that the Ukrainians have intel and imagery that has you lit up like a Christmas tree. Just waiting for artillery to rain down on you.

Surely the Russians are starting to figure out that when they fire artillery that we can track their location in minutes.

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Surely the Russians are starting to figure out that when they fire artillery that we can track their location in minutes.

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Doubt the new conscripts are given that info

At this point I imagine only a fraction of the large artillery units are even functioning. They've long shot out their barrels that were subpar to begin with. We haven't seen train loads of new artillery pieces headed to Ukraine lately like we did the first couple of months of the war.

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P.U.T.U said:

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Surely the Russians are starting to figure out that when they fire artillery that we can track their location in minutes.

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That knowledge lasts just long enough to hear the incoming. Then that knowledge goes away until the next crew fires at the Ukrainians.

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Fire finder radar isn't a new invention and without the US's insane ROE going through JAG, the Ukrainian's Uber style counter battery firing system is pretty nifty. If that becomes standard world wide (and it probably will, it's public info) then towed artillery is going to become a relic. I wouldn't be surprised to see more technical (ie truck) mounted mortars and such hit.

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txags92 said:

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Surely the Russians are starting to figure out that when they fire artillery that we can track their location in minutes.

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That knowledge lasts just long enough to hear the incoming. Then that knowledge goes away until the next crew fires at the Ukrainians.

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Fire finder radar isn't a new invention and without the US's insane ROE going through JAG, the Ukrainian's Uber style counter battery firing system is pretty nifty. If that becomes standard world wide (and it probably will, it's public info) then towed artillery is going to become a relic. I wouldn't be surprised to see more technical (ie truck) mounted mortars and such hit.

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You may be right on see more self propelled artillery.

However, towed artillery is the majority of what is being used on both sides in cluding our M777s and similar by Ukraine.

It's more about competence and training than the piece.

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txags92 said:

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Surely the Russians are starting to figure out that when they fire artillery that we can track their location in minutes.

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That knowledge lasts just long enough to hear the incoming. Then that knowledge goes away until the next crew fires at the Ukrainians.

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Fire finder radar isn't a new invention and without the US's insane ROE going through JAG, the Ukrainian's Uber style counter battery firing system is pretty nifty. If that becomes standard world wide (and it probably will, it's public info) then towed artillery is going to become a relic. I wouldn't be surprised to see more technical (ie truck) mounted mortars and such hit.

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You may be right on see more self propelled artillery.

However, towed artillery is the majority of what is being used on both sides in cluding our M777s and similar by Ukraine.

It's more about competence and training than the piece.

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Easier/cheaper to produce for sure. But as the time for counter battery fire to come in drops shoot n' scoot will be a lot more important.

aezmvp said:

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aezmvp said:

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txags92 said:

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Surely the Russians are starting to figure out that when they fire artillery that we can track their location in minutes.

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That knowledge lasts just long enough to hear the incoming. Then that knowledge goes away until the next crew fires at the Ukrainians.

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Fire finder radar isn't a new invention and without the US's insane ROE going through JAG, the Ukrainian's Uber style counter battery firing system is pretty nifty. If that becomes standard world wide (and it probably will, it's public info) then towed artillery is going to become a relic. I wouldn't be surprised to see more technical (ie truck) mounted mortars and such hit.

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You may be right on see more self propelled artillery.

However, towed artillery is the majority of what is being used on both sides in cluding our M777s and similar by Ukraine.

It's more about competence and training than the piece.

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Easier/cheaper to produce for sure. But as the time for counter battery fire to come in drops shoot n' scoot will be a lot more important.

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No. You'll eventually see more active protection hit the battlefield, like lasers being used to intercept incoming fire. US DoD has been working on that for a long time. They're putting 50kw lasers onto Strykers, and they're planning on scaling up to 300kw on larger vehicles for defense against indirect fire. The 50kw systems on the Strykers should be able to counter drones and incoming mortar and artillery fire.

Our ROE has been adapted to fighting insurgencies and limiting collateral damage. If we were in a fight like Ukraine, ROE would likely change.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/03/world/middleeast/israel-laser-rockets.html#:~:text=JERUSALEM%20%E2%80%94%20After%20two%20decades%20of,anti%2Dtank%20missiles%20in%20flight.

After two decades of research and experimentation, Israeli defense officials now say they have a working prototype of a high-powered laser gun that can intercept rockets, mortar shells, drones and anti-tank missiles in flight.

Men around Belarus have also reportedly begun to receive summons to report to specific Military Commands around the Country. pic.twitter.com/dRJVRRZYSV

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) September 29, 2022

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Men around Belarus have also reportedly begun to receive summons to report to specific Military Commands around the Country. pic.twitter.com/dRJVRRZYSV

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) September 29, 2022

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At least in Russia the people somewhat loved Putin. Belarusians hate Lukashenko and he's gonna try conscription? Bold move

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txags92 said:

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Surely the Russians are starting to figure out that when they fire artillery that we can track their location in minutes.

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That knowledge lasts just long enough to hear the incoming. Then that knowledge goes away until the next crew fires at the Ukrainians.

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Fire finder radar isn't a new invention and without the US's insane ROE going through JAG, the Ukrainian's Uber style counter battery firing system is pretty nifty. If that becomes standard world wide (and it probably will, it's public info) then towed artillery is going to become a relic. I wouldn't be surprised to see more technical (ie truck) mounted mortars and such hit.

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To you and me, counter battery radar is not new and we were well aware our troops have had it for a while. For an uneducated Russian peasant with minimal training who thinks he is in Ukraine fighting an enemy that is less capable than the orc army, getting shelled accurately less than a minute after you fired your first shots has to be quite the surprise.

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For sure. Also the other note about the active protection is good but I still would want to see effectiveness and ability to scale in a peer/near peer conflict. I could see it initially employed around high value offensive assets like the Ukes HIRAMS and so forth. Even if it is Stryker borne you're going to have to deploy a significant number in your TO&E to counter distributed counter battery. I wonder how you would counter that, cluster munitions possibly, wide distribution at a higher altitude and then precision guided to target? Expensive but possibly worth it based on the the NATO MLRS and PGM arty performance in the OSINT.

https://instagr.am/p/Ci8DU1kvzGV

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"As soon as my team arrives at this 6-story building, we conduct CQB to clear it floor by floor. As I creep up to the third floor, I notice a familiar and distinct sound...heavy tracks. I pop back to the second floor and look through a loophole in the wall and see a BMD with its back to me and large letter ''V" on its tail. I ordered my rocket operators to get ready and run up to the 4th floor where there is a firing position through a big ass hole in the side of the building. Getting eyes on five foot soldiers and 1 BMD, I order my NLAW operator, Matt to fire when ready.

The ambush plan was NLAW operator fires first and takes out the BMD, then the rest get on line and fire on the foot soldiers. Simple linear ambush. While the NLAW sets up, the rest of the guys take cover on the stairway to avoid the back blast. And we wait for the NLAW to fire...and bang.

Only that it sounded nothing like a rocket. It very much sounded like a sniper round smacking against the concrete wall. Then a lot more rounds fly into the building. I go to check on Matt and then I see him sprinting down the stairway without his rifle or NLAW and a pale face that looks like he just saw a ghost. My secondary rocket operator, Otto takes an RPG and gets ready to fire while I quickly run to a loophole to assess, and the BMD is turning around while foot soldiers are spraying rounds into the building.

I immediately kill two Russian soldiers which was enough to compromise my position and I get my team consolidated on the first floor of the building for exfiltration. The BMD turret hammers the building and I find Otto bleeding out and starting to lose consciousness. Otto was hit by a 5.45mm AK-74 round in the back above his body armor and the bullet lodged into his chest. Alex started administering first aid on him and told me that he needed five minutes."


Lt Ken Rhee.
ROK Navy.
Bravo Team Leader.
International Legion.
Battle of Irpin, March 25th

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https://instagr.am/p/Ci-e47QuDR7

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The concrete building offered limited cover, but the enemy would have us surrounded in minutes which would put us in a very bad spot. I told Alex that we didn't have five minutes and I got the team ready for a hasty exfiltration. Matt was contemplating whether to go back for his CZ Bren and NLAW that he had dropped on the 4th floor when he nearly ate the incoming sniper fire.

I told him to forget about the lost weapons and to take Otto's rifle. Last, I need is for Matt to go back up there and eat a flying grenade. I tell Otto to snap out of it and get up, order my guys to move out, and as soon as we exit the building we get incoming turret fire, mortar fire, and small arms fire. Explosions everywhere. While running in a train formation, we set up dedicated security points to lay down suppressive fire to prevent the foot soldiers from coming after us.

The Russians respond by firing flares above our heads which are followed by consecutive mortar fire. We take a different path than our infiltration which in a way, screwed us as we kept running into dead ends. Any there was no chance to do an about face and go back towards the enemy. So, I order the guys to punch a hole in the dead ends. While we're being rained on by enemy fire, we literally kick down fences, jump walls, trip over obstacles, and then Victor screws up his leg badly on one of the obstacles.

Now we have two wounded. All this running through the neighborhood reminded me of Soap running through the favela in "Call of Duty". This was actually more intense. We finally get to where the MRAP is staged and I have Otto CASEVAC'ed out of the area. The rest of my guys link up with a Ukrainian infantry unit at an abandoned apartment complex. I get my guys reorganized and while talking with the Ukrainian head shed for the next move, I hear my interpreter, Viking tell me...the Russians have us surrounded."


-Lt. Ken Rhee,
ROK Navy.
Bravo Team Leader.
International Legion.
Battle of Irpin. March 25th

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A cluster shell exploded near a public transport stop in a crowded place, according to Zamazeyeva.

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) September 29, 2022

While our enemy tries to defeat Ukraine using 50-year-old tanks and 100-year-old guns, our military has technology of the 21st century - Starlink!
Guess who is going to win?
Thank you @elonmusk!
🎥 @RomanNikolayev pic.twitter.com/Lj0Kv1gl4w

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) September 29, 2022

Good gravy they weren't kidding about the "catastrophic" part.

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has created a battle over bridges. Since the invasion began, more than 70 bridges have been damaged or destroyed.

This map made with @bradyafr shows the location and aftermath of some of these strikes. pic.twitter.com/feifiz0wxk

— Orion Intel (@Orion__int) September 28, 2022

“In order to stop them, we need not just more anti-aircraft systems but anti-rocket systems.” Tactical nuclear weapons are approximately 100 times more powerful than the missiles that Russia has used against Ukraine so far, according to Skibitsky.

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) September 29, 2022

Interestingly I had a Russian middle aged man and his wife in my office yesterday and briefly chatted about the war. The man was pretty adamant that what Putin is doing is justified. I was surprised to hear this from a Russian that lives here.

When asked whether NATO troops would enter Ukraine, Rau said it cannot be ruled out. He added, however, that conventional weapons, such as aviation and missiles, don't necessarily have to be launched from Ukrainian soil.

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) September 29, 2022

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Interestingly I had a Russian middle aged man and his wife in my office yesterday and briefly chatted about the war. The man was pretty adamant that what Putin is doing is justified. I was surprised to hear this from a Russian that lives here.

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So ge was totally fine accepting that Putin's decision is likely going to destroy his country? Did you ask if he was volunteering for conscription?