***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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MeatDr said:






Watch the video. Leg twitching and despite firmly holding table (which is an unnatural action given the context) fingers and thumb still twitch. Body appears somewhat slumped in posture. Something is definitely not right with Putin at this point.
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Yup. The javelin is great at placing a small shaped charge exactly where you don't want it. If you're lucky it'll detonate extra explosives. Ships are vulnerable because they're a steel box that is heavier than water, desperately trying to not go down to the bottom of the ocean while also being filled with explosives.

A bridge is non of that. It is already on the bottom of the ocean. Those are called supports. There are no explosives on a bridge unless you get lucky with whatever rail car is on it as well. Bridges also have huge factors of safety in their design.

Its gonna take a **** ton of bombs or some well placed explosives.
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CondensedFoggyAggie said:

What the hell is going on with Germany. 10+ nations much less richer than Germany have already donated heavy weapons.


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It is absolutely mind blowing that especially Germany, with its own history of committing atrocities and later pledge that "never again" should such atrocities take place, is not opposing Russia in a meaningful way.

As late as yesterday
@Bundeskanzler
held a press conference where he basically confirmed the non-action policy with regards to Russia. Germany will not deliver heavy weapons to Ukraine anytime soon and it will not agree to a boycott of oil and gas.





Germany's position, inaction and obstruction is putting enormous values at stake. The most obvious is Ukrainian lives but also western ideals, European security, global business and, not the least, Germany's own reputation as a western democracy and reliable ally is at stake.

German democracy must be questioned if a small group of old men can control a party, which control the government, that represent the country, that in turn can veto decisions of the European Union while the German citizens at the same time support other policies.

Speaking of "deep states" is usually something that is connected with conspiracy theorists but in contemporary Germany there are reasons to ask if there is a "deep state" populated by officials who are pro-Russia and as such manage to influence policy and block action.

For 20 years Germany has had a Russia policy that aims at deepen the business and political relationship with Russia while at the same time avoid confrontation with Russia at any cost. Many officials who have worked on the Russia project are likely emotionally attached to it.

The German government's behavior right now is probably exactly what Putin had in mind when he worked on the Russian - German relationship. Europe's powerhouse is passive when Russia is attacking a European democracy and slaughter its population.

As it is now Germany risks the alliance of democracies that are opposing Russia and there is also the risk that countries in Eastern and Northern Europe will lose trust in Germany as a good neighbor and reliable ally.

Obviously Germany also risks ending up on the wrong side of history in yet another European war. Even if Germany is not overtly supporting Russia the passive stance from the German government is.

Will the situation in Germany continue? Will the government change position? There are elements in SPD, the coalition partners and the opposition that are opposing the Chancellor but they are so far not active enough to trigger a change.

Will a change come in time though? Yes, there is certainly going to be a change in Germany even if it will be too late to impact current events. Germany is after all a democracy and the German population are for a tougher stance against Russia.

For a real change to happen the central government institutions needs to be derussified and there needs to be a serious public debate in Germany about how things could go so wrong that Germany ended up taking positions that supported Russia, which is now a fascist dictatorship.

The sooner a real change happens in Germany the lower the risk of long lasting negative effects for Ukraine, Germany, Europe and the democratic world.

But if the current situation goes on it is highly likely that future German Chancellors will visit Bucha, Mariupol and other places in Ukraine to apologize for Germany's behavior during the war, just like chancellors now visit other places in Europe to pledge "Never Again".

What is the goal of the pro-Russians in the German state? My guess is that they wish to go roll back sanctions and continue the great Russia problem. If Ukraine have to surrender and disappear as a nation they are willing to accept that.

What can we do to impact the German government and make it change its position? Write articles, discuss online, write the German government and embassies, demonstrate outside German embassies (demonstrating outside the Russian embassies wont change anything).



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We don't need no water, let the mother****er burn. Burn mother****er. Burn.

That said, I hope that none of the dead were innocent. If they were then I feel for them. War sucks and when you, as a leader, start one, it's your people that pay the price. **** Putin.





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txaggie02 said:

benchmark said:

twk said:

If the Ukrainians could blow up this bridge, then mount an offensive from Kherson which threatened the Isthmus of Perekop (the narrow strip of land that connect Crimea to the mainland of Ukraine), then that would threaten the entire Russian position along the Sea of Azov coast.
Cruise missile would do it ... however, providing long range offensive weapons aren't on the menu unless Russia steps out of their lane.
They have been out of their lane for a long time now.


Exactly. But, Ukraine better watch out or Russia will declare war on them… what a clown show
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txaggie02 said:

benchmark said:

Cruise missile would do it ... however, providing long range offensive weapons aren't on the menu unless Russia steps out of their lane.
They have been out of their lane for a long time now.
Agree, but not in terms of what might trigger a more serious NATO escalation. i.e. attacking a NATO resupply base/airfield inside Poland/Romania, shooting down a NATO surveillance plane, WMD event, etc. So far, Russia has stayed within these lanes. Sort of like the US mining Haiphong harbor but avoiding direct attacks on Russian or Chinese ships inside or transiting to the harbor.
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Or you need access and a way to weaken or cut a span. If there are accessible steel spans, cutting the webbing could be an option.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/u8pil8/in_mordor_the_chemical_plant_is_now_on_fire/


Lots of fires in russia today
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The problem with giving the Ukes cruise missiles is that those missiles leave lots of parts around. Hell you've seen it ALL over this thread. And those parts would point fingers back at us and it would be a big big deal. I'm not saying don't hit it. I'm just saying you'll need to get creative.
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Robk said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/u8pil8/in_mordor_the_chemical_plant_is_now_on_fire/


Lots of fires in russia today


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Rossticus said:




Top one is in Spain, a little surprising. The bottom one is in Moscow, not as surprising.
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Thumbs up for the American people. POTUS, not.

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Sorry already posted. Still impressed with developing a drone for Ukraine so fast
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The Stasi is alive and well
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Some more info on the military research institute burned down. Iskander and S-400s developed there. What bad luck...
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Rossticus said:

Thumbs up for the American people. POTUS, not.


While slower than I like. POTUS and his admin are doing a lot. Zelensky has not been one to pull punches and if he thanks POTUS then I will go with it.
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Robk said:

Rossticus said:

Thumbs up for the American people. POTUS, not.


While slower than I like. POTUS and his admin are doing a lot. Zelensky has not been one to pull punches and if he thanks POTUS then I will go with it.


I didn't want to get dog piled but I was typing the same thing out. I feel like this is something I wish all sides of the isle could get behind and work with each other on. There's been enough division in this country for too long now. Wether people see it or not, we're all guilty of it. I feel like they've done a pretty jam up job handling this without getting us into an actual war. I'm not a fan of his on domestic affairs by any means and certainly not a fan of many of his people who work for him.

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MeatDr said:

Some more info on the military research institute burned down. Iskander and S-400s developed there. What bad luck...

Roof collapsed. 5 dead 30 injured.
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Rossticus said:




That's more like it. The original batch of three batteries of 155's was kind of a joke unless they were intended to get the Ukrainians started training all along
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one MEEN Ag said:

mickeyrig06sq3 said:

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Rossticus said:

Just sayin'…



We don't have enough weapons to defend against Russia. We have enough to obliterate them, conventionally at least.


You think we're short of nukes?

If nukes come in to play, there are no winners and there are no losers. It's a reset button.
China wins because there is no reason to attack them and they would be the largest remaining power. America, Europe and Russia would be a smoldering husk.


If the US and Russia annihilated each other with nukes there wouldn't be a winner. The entire planet would experience a nuclear winter and die. The Aussies and New Zealanders would be the last to die but ultimately the fallout kills them too.

The cockroaches are the only winners in a ful scale nuclear war.
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I was wondering when Russian anti war radicals or Ukrainian sympathizers might start acts of sabotage inside Russia…
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Robk said:

Rossticus said:

Thumbs up for the American people. POTUS, not.


While slower than I like. POTUS and his admin are doing a lot. Zelensky has not been one to pull punches and if he thanks POTUS then I will go with it.
This is where I am.

I think a lot of this has to do with a competent pentagon that locked the woke guys out of the war room and told them to continue playing soldier, but leave the war to the professionals.

But, if Biden had wanted to, he could have gotten in the way of a lot of this for his own graft. It doesn't appear to be the case so far.

So, I'm glad we are sending the aid that we are, even if a little late. Biden is not screwing this up. Good Biden.
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MeatDr said:

Some more info on the military research institute burned down. Iskander and S-400s developed there. What bad luck...



You hate to see it
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MouthBQ98 said:

I was wondering when Russian anti war radicals or Ukrainian sympathizers might start acts of sabotage inside Russia…
I also wonder if the Anonymous group is messing with things like their power grid. Wouldn't take much to start a lot of fires if they started overpowering the grid in select locations.
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Rossticus said:

MeatDr said:





Watch the video. Leg twitching and despite firmly holding table (which is an unnatural action given the context) fingers and thumb still twitch. Body appears somewhat slumped in posture. Something is definitely not right with Putin at this point.



Looks like he had Chipotle for lunch and is fighting a shart..
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I like the idea of lighter, highly mobile artillery given the current conditions in the field and the existing advantage UAF have shown in flexibility and adaptability.
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