NATO getting involved will result in Russia getting crushed, not saving face
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He's not wrong at all. We could all argue endlessly on the what, where, when, and how but this was always going to happen.Rossticus said:
Not exactly an ambiguous statement regarding Russia's long term goals.“This is not about Ukraine at all, but the world order. The current crisis is a fateful, epoch-making moment in modern history. It reflects the battle over what the world order will look like" - Sergei Lavrov, Russian Foreign Minister.
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) March 20, 2022
Straight from the horse’s mouth. pic.twitter.com/SedfIllc0z
This = end of US empire and current global standings and status quo.
I wouldn't be surprised if Putin dropped a nuke on Maripol.
Biggest question is whether to try and kick the can down the road and hope to find a way to avoid that ultimate outcome or rip the bandaid off and put an end to it here and now. Huge uncertainties and +/- with each. No good options. Only different flavors of bad.
List of major changes
— Henry Schlottman (@HN_Schlottman) March 20, 2022
1. Added 29th CAA, only one brigade currently deployed
2. Added 49th CAA, identified units through going through previous reports and new vehicle losses
3. Added 47th GTD (~2 BTGs effective), previously on 1st GTA axis
4. Colorcoded separatist forces (pink)
Really praying for Spaceship and family. Mariupol looks like the ground zero of this war.
Really hope your family was able to get out
Really hope your family was able to get out
Robk said:Russia has presented the Mariupol with an ultimatum. Either hand over the city by the morning or else...
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) March 20, 2022
The mayor’s adviser, Petr Andriuschenko, says there’s no need to wait with an answer to the morning and wrote something similar to what the crew of a Russin warship heard. pic.twitter.com/zurU37cwoT
So it appears the Russians got their reply to the surrender of Mariupol.
Basically - no need to wait until 5. am. Go eff yourselves.
Gotta love those Ukes.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
Wrec86 Ag said:
Really praying for Spaceship and family. Mariupol looks like the ground zero of this war.
Really hope your family was able to get out
I think his family was in Melitopol.
Rossticus said:
Biggest question is whether to try and kick the can down the road and hope to find a way to avoid that ultimate outcome or rip the bandaid off and put an end to it here and now. Huge uncertainties and +/- with each. No good options. Only different flavors of bad.
With Putin in charge, him finding out what happens when he F'ks around with NATO was always a possibility. He knows he messed up and doesn't know how to get out of it. And even his BFF Xi isn't giving him the lifeline that he expected.
Ripping off the band-aid is becoming more plausible every day. He drops a nuke, even a baby one, and I wouldn't be surprised if NATO sees that as an opening.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
And that's the rub...a NATO nuke response per all credible simulations leads to the end of the world. A non-nuclear response per NATO would lead to the entire world completely sanctioning Russia- including the Chinese. What happens after that is anybody's guess, but the price for Putin's scalp would go from a $1 million to $1 Trillion.No Spin Ag said:Rossticus said:
Biggest question is whether to try and kick the can down the road and hope to find a way to avoid that ultimate outcome or rip the bandaid off and put an end to it here and now. Huge uncertainties and +/- with each. No good options. Only different flavors of bad.
With Putin in charge, him finding out what happens when he F'ks around with NATO was always a possibility. He knows he messed up and doesn't know how to get out of it. And even his BFF Xi isn't giving him the lifeline that he expected.
Ripping off the band-aid is becoming more plausible every day. He drops a nuke, even a baby one, and I wouldn't be surprised if NATO sees that as an opening.
Texas Aggies
No Spin Ag said:Robk said:Russia has presented the Mariupol with an ultimatum. Either hand over the city by the morning or else...
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) March 20, 2022
The mayor’s adviser, Petr Andriuschenko, says there’s no need to wait with an answer to the morning and wrote something similar to what the crew of a Russin warship heard. pic.twitter.com/zurU37cwoT
So it appears the Russians got their reply to the surrender of Mariupol.
Basically - no need to wait until 5. am. Go eff yourselves.
Gotta love those Ukes.
How does Poland sit there now and not commit. I know they have itching at the chance. Won't happen though.
Waffledynamics said:Wrec86 Ag said:
Really praying for Spaceship and family. Mariupol looks like the ground zero of this war.
Really hope your family was able to get out
I think his family was in Melitopol.
That makes me feel a little better. Still praying for the family though.
Slovenia plans to send it embassy diplomats back to Kyiv and hopes more countries will follow in solidarity
— OSINT UK (@jon96179496) March 20, 2022
No Spin Ag said:Robk said:Russia has presented the Mariupol with an ultimatum. Either hand over the city by the morning or else...
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) March 20, 2022
The mayor’s adviser, Petr Andriuschenko, says there’s no need to wait with an answer to the morning and wrote something similar to what the crew of a Russin warship heard. pic.twitter.com/zurU37cwoT
So it appears the Russians got their reply to the surrender of Mariupol.
Basically - no need to wait until 5. am. Go eff yourselves.
Gotta love those Ukes.
I don't see how the russians have given Mariupol any other choice but to go Alamo and take as many with them. All the pows will be treated to a thousand deaths in the gulags way worse than going down fighting.
I also will not be surprised if they use tactical nukes there and if they do I pray somebody responds immediately with a conventional violence of action overwhelming the russians in Ukraine and any other direct supporting location.
Wrec86 Ag said:Waffledynamics said:Wrec86 Ag said:
Really praying for Spaceship and family. Mariupol looks like the ground zero of this war.
Really hope your family was able to get out
I think his family was in Melitopol.
That makes me feel a little better. Still praying for the family though.
Thank you, yes fortunately they are in Melitopol. Mariupol is an abhorrent tragedy unfolding right now.
For reasons I can hopefully share in the near future, right now we're refraining from giving any updates about my family online. But the prayers are needed and much appreciated.
Spaceship said:Wrec86 Ag said:Waffledynamics said:Wrec86 Ag said:
Really praying for Spaceship and family. Mariupol looks like the ground zero of this war.
Really hope your family was able to get out
I think his family was in Melitopol.
That makes me feel a little better. Still praying for the family though.
Thank you, yes fortunately they are in Melitopol. Mariupol is an abhorrent tragedy unfolding right now.
For reasons I can hopefully share in the near future, right now we're refraining from giving any updates about my family online. But the prayers are needed and much appreciated.
Done. Praying for you and your entire family.
Putin wants Ukraine to be neutral after this. Lol. Good luck with that.
who knows, but imo neutrality is probably off the table for ukraine more than status quo ante territorial claims
— Gerry Doyle (@mgerrydoyle) March 21, 2022
one wrinkle: russia may end up owning territory filled with people who loathe russians, after witnessing civ-punishing "strategy" https://t.co/cIGb16LTrJ
"Cleansing". Russians like to use this word a lot.
Horrific insanity
— Olga Lautman 🇺🇦 (@OlgaNYC1211) March 21, 2022
"After a complete cleansing of Mariupol, the team of the DPR ombudsman, together with the law enforcement agencies of the republic, will enter the city and collect evidence of all the crimes of the Ukrainian national battalions for the tribunal" via RIA Novosti
Robk said:I think at this point he wants WWiii. His only way out is with the help of China, India, and half of Africa and that only happens in an East vs West war.Dorm 15 said:
Is Putin "begging" NATO to get involved so he can save face from getting his army defeated by Ukraine?
I think India and China would tell him to go **** himself. Putin isn't worth that **** show, and Russia would still be there to deal with after getting kicked out of Ukraine. India is only looking out for themselves economically and isn't tied to Russia. I think China doesn't want to deal with the inevitable economic consequences and/or potential domestic consequences. They want war on their terms and timeline, not Russia's.
Why
The White House has said while President Biden is Travelling to Europe to discuss the Russian Invasion of Ukraine he currently has No Plans to meet with Ukrainian President Zelensky in the Capital of Kyiv, unlike the Leaders of Poland, Slovenia, and Czechia who did last week.
— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) March 21, 2022
⚡️“to discuss their coordinated responses to Russia’s unprovoked and unjustified attack on Ukraine.” -WH⚡️
— spook (@spook_info) March 21, 2022
Ukrainian jet over #Ukraine https://t.co/Ymx6y51UwO
— EnclaveOfficer 🇺🇦 (@OfficerEnclave) March 20, 2022
Quote:
A little more information for those of you wondering. We're a group of veterans who are heading over to Ukraine to advise and train civilians and local militias throughout the country. In doing so we hope to allow those affected by Putin's invasion more peace of mind and the ability to better defend themselves against the invaders. We also are going to bring with us as much medical supplies as possible and training supplies as well to teach the populace combat casualty care. If you'd like to follow us along on this journey please leave a follow as the more engagement we receive the more supplies we can round up to bring with us.
As always thank you everyone and stay safe.
Apparition Group OUT
SU-25 "Frogfoot"Rossticus said:Ukrainian jet over #Ukraine https://t.co/Ymx6y51UwO
— EnclaveOfficer 🇺🇦 (@OfficerEnclave) March 20, 2022
Legitimately one of the better made warplanes in the last 50 years in the world. Not just Russia. VERY capable ground attack plane that is probably the closest anyone has gotten to an American A-10.
Russians finally shelled a chemical plant.
BREAKING: huge chemical leak in #Sumy - integrity of ammonia cysterns is compromised.
— Walter Lekh🇺🇦 (@walterlekh) March 21, 2022
Affected area is at least 5 square kilometers in size.
This catastrophe is the result of Russians shelling #SumyKhimProm facilities (СумиХімПром).#RussiaInvadedUkraine #RussianWarCrimes #war
Very capable in what sense?
Making things dead on the ground, it's job.GAC06 said:
Very capable in what sense?
Slow, vulnerable, incapable of finding targets beyond seeing them or preplanned attacks, and it shows. They're getting shot down a lot and aren't very lethal.
OkGAC06 said:
Slow, vulnerable, incapable of finding targets beyond seeing them or preplanned attacks, and it shows. They're getting shot down a lot and aren't very lethal.
Who wants goosebumps? Here ya go.
Ukrainian strength and resolve remind me of this speech…
❗❗❗Звернення до білоруського народу жінок України!@StratCom_AFU https://t.co/mppcF0V2T9 pic.twitter.com/z76dsaLt2K
— 🇺🇦Armed Forces (@ArmedForcesUkr) March 20, 2022
Ukrainian strength and resolve remind me of this speech…
Ronald Reagan : "we must fight!" pic.twitter.com/uM1cP6gg03
— 𝕋𝕙𝕖 𝔻𝕦𝕜𝕖 (@thedukeoriginal) March 20, 2022
Just saying that the cult of personality that the A-10 benefits from spills over to the ****tier Russian attempt at an A-10. Except they don't have the avionics, targeting pods, defensive countermeasures, precision ordnance or close air support doctrine or communications capability. Instead they have a small slow jet is basically fighting like it's 1960
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