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Red Pear Realty said:

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Bomb defusing process pic.twitter.com/AZeMaesE6K

— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) March 9, 2022

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Any EOD guys want to explain what just happened there? What's with the water and the towel?

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Wow I'd like to know too, because this is the s*** our guys do covered head to toe in giant suits of armor ...while operating a remote controlled robot from 100 yards away

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I seriously can't even click play. That looks like something from a darwin award

Sparks or arc'ing

Talon2DSO said:

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Rossticus said:

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NEW - #UK’s @BWallaceMP announces that Star Streak anti-aircraft systems will soon be provided to #Ukraine️. pic.twitter.com/lVROG2zhNt

— Charles Lister (@Charles_Lister) March 9, 2022

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Starstreak is nasty

" After launch, the missile accelerates to more than Mach 4, making it the fastest short-range surface-to-air missile. It then launches three laser beam-riding submunitions, increasing the likelihood of a successful hit on the target."

4+ mile range is greater than other MANPADs.

Flares are useless as countermeasures.

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Yikes....thats a C130 killer. Does the user have to communicate to anyone electronically prior to launch or are they deployed and autonomous?

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Thought it was laser based. IE Immune to flares.

https://t.me/conflictzone/20516

Sighting of an CY 57

Telegram feed has a ton of footage.

Over the last 100 hours or so, Russia has seriously reduced engaging Ukrainian military targets.
Most of its attacks, primarily in terms of air strikes, are being clearly delivered against civilian population and infrastructure.
Russians are not even trying to justify anything.

— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) March 9, 2022

The British Defense Ministry has said that they are seeing indication to expect Russian Forces to begin using Chemical Weapons and other Non-Conventional Weapons on Targets in Ukraine in the near future whether it is on their own Forces as a “False Flag” Attack or not.

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) March 9, 2022

Deputy mayor of #Mariupol Sergiy Orlov has just been speaking. Says city under "continuous Russian shelling", genocide taking place, 1170 people killed, 47 buried today in a mass grave. No water, heat, power, gas, with residents drinking snow and burning firewood. "It's medieval"

— Luke Harding (@lukeharding1968) March 9, 2022

Welcome to 21st century warfare. https://t.co/vLpL70wE6w

— Oryx (@oryxspioenkop) March 9, 2022

IslanderAg04 said:

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https://t.me/conflictzone/20516

Sighting of an CY 57

Telegram feed has a ton of footage.

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Cy-57 is Cyrillic for Su-57, which is their version of the F-22.
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Sukhoi_Su-57

Moment when Russian MLRS barrage hits a suburb of Mylolaiv pic.twitter.com/y346KKRLID

— Woofers (@NotWoofers) March 9, 2022

Talon2DSO said:

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GAC06 said:

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NEW - #UK’s @BWallaceMP announces that Star Streak anti-aircraft systems will soon be provided to #Ukraine️. pic.twitter.com/lVROG2zhNt

— Charles Lister (@Charles_Lister) March 9, 2022

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Starstreak is nasty

" After launch, the missile accelerates to more than Mach 4, making it the fastest short-range surface-to-air missile. It then launches three laser beam-riding submunitions, increasing the likelihood of a successful hit on the target."

4+ mile range is greater than other MANPADs.

Flares are useless as countermeasures.

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Yikes....thats a C130 killer. Does the user have to communicate to anyone electronically prior to launch or are they deployed and autonomous?

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What aezmvp said. It's guided by a laser from the launch unit. So flares are pointless, it can't be targeted by anti-radiation missiles (although the Russians may not be very capable there), and there's no warning that it's headed for you at Mach 4. I'm not sure how automated it is and how much training is required for an operator as opposed to shoulder fired IR MANPADs that are fire and forget.

Wiki says the three tungsten explosive penetrators it fires at the endgame have enough kinetic energy to hit a target maneuvering at 9g's at 23,000 feet. On paper it's by far the nastiest anti air missile the Ukrainians have been given by the West

McInnis 03 said:

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tk111 said:

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Red Pear Realty said:

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Bomb defusing process pic.twitter.com/AZeMaesE6K

— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) March 9, 2022

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Any EOD guys want to explain what just happened there? What's with the water and the towel?

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Wow I'd like to know too, because this is the s*** our guys do covered head to toe in giant suits of armor ...while operating a remote controlled robot from 100 yards away

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I seriously can't even click play. That looks like something from a darwin award

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Towel may be covering up bomb identification number so the enemy doesn't get any Intel about where it landed?

That is nasty. Back in my day, when we saw a corkscrew we chaff, flare and maneuver...or at least that's what we trained. SA7 shoulder fired was our biggest threat due to low level flight. That won't fly with this thing. This is nasty

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Rossticus said:

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NEW - #UK’s @BWallaceMP announces that Star Streak anti-aircraft systems will soon be provided to #Ukraine️. pic.twitter.com/lVROG2zhNt

— Charles Lister (@Charles_Lister) March 9, 2022

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Starstreak is nasty

" After launch, the missile accelerates to more than Mach 4, making it the fastest short-range surface-to-air missile. It then launches three laser beam-riding submunitions, increasing the likelihood of a successful hit on the target."

4+ mile range is greater than other MANPADs.

Flares are useless as countermeasures.

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Yikes....thats a C130 killer. Does the user have to communicate to anyone electronically prior to launch or are they deployed and autonomous?

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What aezmvp said. It's guided by a laser from the launch unit. So flares are pointless, it can't be targeted by anti-radiation missiles (although the Russians may not be very capable there), and there's no warning that it's headed for you at Mach 4. I'm not sure how automated it is and how much training is required for an operator as opposed to shoulder fired IR MANPADs that are fire and forget.

Wiki says the three tungsten explosive penetrators it fires at the endgame have enough kinetic energy to hit a target maneuvering at 9g's at 23,000 feet. On paper it's by far the nastiest anti air missile the Ukrainians have been given by the West

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As far as I know as long as the users position has a good LOS this is the nastiest MANPAD in the world. The big downside is that it requires LOS and I'm not sure about it's fire and forget capabilities if any. Keeping a laser on a maneuvering jet in cloud cover would be hard. My guess is that the Russians will get briefed about it and bomb then maneuver and climb into the clouds. Just a guess I am not an expert at any of this. Just a civvy kibitzer with a little knoweldge.

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GAC06 said:

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GAC06 said:

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NEW - #UK’s @BWallaceMP announces that Star Streak anti-aircraft systems will soon be provided to #Ukraine️. pic.twitter.com/lVROG2zhNt

— Charles Lister (@Charles_Lister) March 9, 2022

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Starstreak is nasty

" After launch, the missile accelerates to more than Mach 4, making it the fastest short-range surface-to-air missile. It then launches three laser beam-riding submunitions, increasing the likelihood of a successful hit on the target."

4+ mile range is greater than other MANPADs.

Flares are useless as countermeasures.

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Yikes....thats a C130 killer. Does the user have to communicate to anyone electronically prior to launch or are they deployed and autonomous?

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What aezmvp said. It's guided by a laser from the launch unit. So flares are pointless, it can't be targeted by anti-radiation missiles (although the Russians may not be very capable there), and there's no warning that it's headed for you at Mach 4. I'm not sure how automated it is and how much training is required for an operator as opposed to shoulder fired IR MANPADs that are fire and forget.

Wiki says the three tungsten explosive penetrators it fires at the endgame have enough kinetic energy to hit a target maneuvering at 9g's at 23,000 feet. On paper it's by far the nastiest anti air missile the Ukrainians have been given by the West

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As far as I know as long as the users position has a good LOS this is the nastiest MANPAD in the world. The big downside is that it requires LOS and I'm not sure about it's fire and forget capabilities if any. Keeping a laser on a maneuvering jet in cloud cover would be hard. My guess is that the Russians will get briefed about it and bomb then maneuver and climb into the clouds. Just a guess I am not an expert at any of this. Just a civvy kibitzer with a little knoweldge.

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I think you hit the nail on the head for the most part. Definitely not fire and forget as user would be required to continue to illuminate. So that is the down side. The other drawback is that I believe that they system is a little more complicated to set up/use.

But as far as effectiveness, since it doesnt use any traditional active or passive tracking system, I dont think there are any counter measures an enemy pilot could deploy to evade the missile, other than visibly seeing the inbound missile and heavily maneuvering so as to make it hard for the user to illuminate you.

It looks like they're removing the trigger/fuse for the bomb. High explosives need low explosives to detonate. That assembly probably holds the low explosive that triggers the rest of the bomb.

Water could be in case it was cracked and to stabilize or render inert any less stable, low explosives leaking from it. No idea though.

If that's the case then low level ridgeline cover might defeat it? Not going to out run it but if the laser loses sight what happens?

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It looks like they're removing the trigger/fuse for the bomb. High explosives need low explosives to detonate. That assembly probably holds the low explosive that triggers the rest of the bomb.

Water could be in case it was cracked and to stabilize or render inert any less stable, low explosives leaking from it. No idea though.

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I'm guessing the water was to prevent any sparks/static generated by them unscrewing the fuse from igniting the explosive charge. If the bomb was dropped, the fuse probably either didn't trigger (but could if jostled) or was not armed before being loaded on the plane or dropped.

Looks like Russia are using cluster bombs in Kharkiv again tonight. Absolutely terrifying. pic.twitter.com/yw2vwsNz1s

— Kyle Glen (@KyleJGlen) March 9, 2022

With the stories coming out only half of the cluster bombs are actually going off too. They are illegal but several countries like the USA and Russia did not sign that part of the accord

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If that's the case then low level ridgeline cover might defeat it? Not going to out run it but if the laser loses sight what happens?

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I doubt it's public info tbh. Probably trains in on laser spot that it can see on the ridgeline or operator could release it goes us while operator tries to reacquire. Might have a dummy mode with a back up IR sensor. Lots of things I don't know. Maybe someone with more knowledge could chime in.

Yes and no. The time that it might take for the user to react to a potentially high g evasive maneuver may introduce too much error into the missiles guidance loop when it is going mach 4. It is possible that even relatively small evasive maneuvers might be effective.

I have no doubt that the missiles autopilot and guidance algorithms are good enough to handle high g evasive maneuvers. I just question how quickly a human trying to paint a maneuvering target with a laser can react.

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aezmvp said:

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Talon2DSO said:

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Rossticus said:

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NEW - #UK’s @BWallaceMP announces that Star Streak anti-aircraft systems will soon be provided to #Ukraine️. pic.twitter.com/lVROG2zhNt

— Charles Lister (@Charles_Lister) March 9, 2022

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Starstreak is nasty

" After launch, the missile accelerates to more than Mach 4, making it the fastest short-range surface-to-air missile. It then launches three laser beam-riding submunitions, increasing the likelihood of a successful hit on the target."

4+ mile range is greater than other MANPADs.

Flares are useless as countermeasures.

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Yikes....thats a C130 killer. Does the user have to communicate to anyone electronically prior to launch or are they deployed and autonomous?

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What aezmvp said. It's guided by a laser from the launch unit. So flares are pointless, it can't be targeted by anti-radiation missiles (although the Russians may not be very capable there), and there's no warning that it's headed for you at Mach 4. I'm not sure how automated it is and how much training is required for an operator as opposed to shoulder fired IR MANPADs that are fire and forget.

Wiki says the three tungsten explosive penetrators it fires at the endgame have enough kinetic energy to hit a target maneuvering at 9g's at 23,000 feet. On paper it's by far the nastiest anti air missile the Ukrainians have been given by the West

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As far as I know as long as the users position has a good LOS this is the nastiest MANPAD in the world. The big downside is that it requires LOS and I'm not sure about it's fire and forget capabilities if any. Keeping a laser on a maneuvering jet in cloud cover would be hard. My guess is that the Russians will get briefed about it and bomb then maneuver and climb into the clouds. Just a guess I am not an expert at any of this. Just a civvy kibitzer with a little knoweldge.

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I think you hit the nail on the head for the most part. Definitely not fire and forget as user would be required to continue to illuminate. So that is the down side. The other drawback is that I believe that they system is a little more complicated to set up/use.

But as far as effectiveness, since it doesnt use any traditional active or passive tracking system, I dont think there are any counter measures an enemy pilot could deploy to evade the missile, other than visibly seeing the inbound missile and heavily maneuvering so as to make it hard for the user to illuminate you.

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Other thing that might confuse people is that this isn't like a laser beam like a pointer but a wider spread looking for reflections. So it's not as hard to cross hair a jet as people might think. But it's not a stinger which the basics can be taught to someone in 30 minutes or less. Also you're not firing this thing when the plane is right over head but ideally trailing away from you so the enemy doesn't see the smoke trail and has little to no warning based on the sensor package the plane is flying with. I can't imagine that the anything less than an SU-34 is carrying a laser ID sensor. Maybe (maybe) the 57 but they only have 4 of those in the public inventory.

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Moving at Mach 4 will limit the ability of pilots to react/evade, and will greatly reduce the amount of time the operator has to hold the laser on the target.

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Mach 4 translates to about 2,900 MPH? Is that right?

Depends on the altitude, but yes, in that ball park.

Primary source report from eastern Hungary:

- Hungary capped price of gasoline and diesel at $1.40 USD per litre.
- Refugees living in Ukrainian territory being let in, but refugee situation not bad at present.
- Hungary relies on Russia for 85% of natural gas and 64% of oil, concern mounting. Local media not reporting on scope of situation.

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Moving at Mach 4 will limit the ability of pilots to react/evade, and will greatly reduce the amount of time the operator has to hold the laser on the target.

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Mach 4 translates to about 2,900 MPH? Is that right?

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Close, a little over that at ground level.

Link?

Txags92 is right. MANPADs are already really fast and this one is much faster. The amount of time from launch to impact is minimal and it's quite unlikely a pilot would even be aware of the launch. It's not realistic there'd be time to do much at all besides maybe bank hard if the pilot did manage to see it