Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Reading this thread is like taking crazy pills. A bunch of CMs (the usual suspects) don't understand nuance...at all...and jump in this thread emotionally attacking everything that moves because they aren't bright enough to understand Tucker's commentary.

It's easy to see why we are where we are currently as a country. Supposedly college educated adults can't grasp subtlety or nuance so they create strawmen to argue against and blame the "other side" for supporting Putin because they aren't equipped to grasp what should be glaringly obvious (looking at Georgia's true colors re-emerging). When you try to break it down and explain it to them slowly they put their fingers in their ears and start screaming " BUT MUH RUSSIA"!

All I can think about when reading Georgia, OldMcDonald or Larry's posts...

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Amen. Very well said. It's sad and pathetic.

Their intentions are far from pure/honest. They're just coming out of the woodwork for gotcha attempts, but are shooting complete bricks. Similar to how they all pounced, almost as if directed, when Ted Cruz flew to Mexico during a cold front.

GeorgiAg said:

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F'ing traitor

Russian state broadcaster RT just published Tucker Carlson’s rant to defend Putin with Russian subtitles pic.twitter.com/atmHt4TlmS

— Ragıp Soylu (@ragipsoylu) February 23, 2022

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Ok, I finally watched his little monologue. The part that is left out of that brief clip (which I am sure you are aware of was just an opening series of questions/context/humor he provided) are his conclusions, which are wholly accurate;

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Carlson pointed out the obvious answer that no, "Putin didn't do any of that," before furthering the debate as to why Washington elites hate him as much as they do. U.S. defense of Ukraine couldn't have anything to do with "Joe Biden's personal debts to Ukrainian oligarchs. Not at all," Carlson sarcastically stated. "It's completely and totally unrelated."

Calling Ukraine a tyranny based on Ukrainian President Zelenskyy arresting political opponents and shutting down news outlets that criticize him, Carlson arrived at the crux of the matter. Why care about one tyrant encroaching on another tyrant when the only possible outcome is going to be a continued negative impact on the American economy.

"Energy prices in the United States are about to go way up, and that means that everything you buy will become more expensive," Carlson explained, "from the food you eat to the car you drive, to the tickets you need to take your family on vacation this summer, assuming you can still afford a vacation by then. You're about to become measurably poorer."

"That's not a guess," Carlson asserted. "Joe Biden has admitted this."

Carlson then went on to point out how those making the rounds on the media keep suggesting war is coming, and in some cases advocating for it. Vice President Kamala Harris has said, "I mean, listen, guys, we're talking about the potential for war in Europe," stating it was a "real possibility" as she has been tasked with aiding in diplomatic solutions.

Former Ambassador John Bolton went on MSNBC to say that a "Russian invasion and takeover of Ukraine" would "adversely affect American national security" and that "we should have had more American forces in Ukraine." Carlson summed it up by saying Bolton thinks Joe Biden hasn't been forceful enough before musing, "Let's try a winter war in Russia. No one's done it before, but we have high hopes."

Carlson returned to the real issue facing the American people as oil nears $100/barrel, "it's highest price since 2014," Joe Biden has offered no solutions for energy needs. "Every person knows nothing will tank our economy faster than cutting off the supply of fossil fuels," Carlson said, even "energy experts like Sandy Cortez" know "a country of 340 million people can't run on windmills and solar panels." Meanwhile, they shut down domestic energy pipelines.

Carlson, who has consistently held the belief that those in corporate media and the Democrat elites hate the United States more than Putin, suggested, "Maybe expensive energy would be good for the many
renewable deals their friends and donors are invested in."

"We don't know the answer," he concluded. "We do know that all of us are about to suffer. So we hope that hating Vladimir Putin was worth it."

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So, you, and other Biden/Dem voters have enabled Putin, now want to use him as a fulcrum of hatred while we all enjoy further skyrocketing energy prices thanks to him, which make 'renewables' much more profitable, and Tucker is a foil to use as an example of wrong think in that he doesn't join in the irrational sudden hatred of Putin. It helps for CNN viewers of course like yourself that you were trained to hate him for 5 years about 'much russian collusion.'

Anyone who does hate Putin, should be able to post on this thread how outraged they were and what they posted about Biden's support/desperate lobbying for Nordstream 2, and I am sure you as a 'conservative' fully agree with Ted Cruz on this, right?

$125/barrel? The real traitors aren't some guy lamenting the distraction on TV.

*JPMORGAN'S MALEK SEES OIL PRICES MOVING CLOSE TO $120-125/BBL

— *Walter Bloomberg (@DeItaone) February 24, 2022

Frederick Palowaski said:

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Old McDonald said:

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Frederick Palowaski said:

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Hi Old McDonald. I see you keep deflecting on every opportunistic thread to avoid defending the diaper wearing idiot that you voted for.

Congrats

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thanks!

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Typical. Congrats on his first year. You must be so proud.

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if you want to blow off steam beating up on lefties defending biden, try r/politics or democrat underground

Many of us hate the left in this country more than some Russian on the other side of the world. You created this mindset, so learn to live with it.

Redstone said:

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It is an inherently false assertion. Do you wish to discuss why?

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I'm not sure I see the need to. Your position appears clear by your post above, though I fail to see how Russia invading Ukraine is evidence of NATO expansion East. I'm not going to waste my time debating the lessons of history with you. Time will tell who's right.

American Hardwood said:

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I have to question your reading comprehension and ability to critically think. You said all the comments were correct which includes recognizing that Putin is a strong and capable leader and how stating that is not equivalent of support, and then you contradict yourself by saying that Trump and Tucker stating something compatible with this is unfathomable.

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The entire tucker segment was to convince the audience that Putin wasn't such a bad guy. That was the entire tone and point of his rhetorical questions.

Trump called Putin a genius and wavy and suggested maybe we should use the same tactics.

Redstone said:

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Is Putin a direct threat to the United States?

Who will say so explicitly?

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He's a threat to my retirement account.

I agree, it's only an indirect threat at this point. We just need to sanction the F*** out of him, his supporters and hope it dooms his regime.

Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Reading this thread is like taking crazy pills. A bunch of CMs (the usual suspects) don't understand nuance...at all...and jump in this thread emotionally attacking everything that moves because they aren't bright enough to understand Tucker's commentary.

It's easy to see why we are where we are currently as a country. Supposedly college educated adults can't grasp subtlety or nuance so they create strawmen to argue against and blame the "other side" for supporting Putin because they aren't equipped to grasp what should be glaringly obvious (looking at Georgia's true colors re-emerging). When you try to break it down and explain it to them slowly they put their fingers in their ears and start screaming " BUT MUH RUSSIA"!

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It's not nuanced though. This wasn't a one-off comment from Tucker. He's been pushing pro-Russia, anti-NATO **** for years. Defends Putin's every move, explains his side of the story. And I'm not buying his "hAs PuTiN eVeR CaLLeD mE RaCiSt??" diatribe, because it's a disingenuous argument and distracts form the real issue. He's downplaying the Russian threat by talking about other domestic issues. Tucker doesn't seem to understand you can care about more than one issue at the same time.

There's nothing subtle or nuanced about the garbage that comes out of his mouth. He's actively pro-Russian and pro-Putin and he's using a superficial sense of patriotism to justify it.

Tucker is a traitor and he can go **** himself.

Husky Boy Jr. said:

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American Hardwood said:

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I have to question your reading comprehension and ability to critically think. You said all the comments were correct which includes recognizing that Putin is a strong and capable leader and how stating that is not equivalent of support, and then you contradict yourself by saying that Trump and Tucker stating something compatible with this is unfathomable.

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The entire tucker segment was to convince the audience that Putin wasn't such a bad guy. That was the entire tone and point of his rhetorical questions.

Trump called Putin a genius and wavy and suggested maybe we should use the same tactics.

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You have 7 pages on this thread pointing out the nuance of what Tucker was saying yet you are still sticking with your superficial interpretation. There is no helping you.

Trump said what Putin was doing was genius, not that Putin himself was. Again, another nuance but important. It also does not equate to support for Putin. It certainly appears that Putin has formed and executed a strategy on the world stage that is getting him what he wants. What would you call it? Stupid?

GeorgiAg said:

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Redstone said:

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Is Putin a direct threat to the United States?

Who will say so explicitly?

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He's a threat to my retirement account.

I agree, it's only an indirect threat at this point. We just need to sanction the F*** out of him, his supporters and hope it dooms his regime.

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his actions also directly influence the pain Americans feel at the pump, even if he's not the only influencing factor

MiniShrike said:

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Why am I unsurprised that the super secret discord crew is back and cheerleading Putin?

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The crew never left....have not seen you around

Muddyfeet said:

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Tucker's comments are the modern equivalent of the "No Viet Cong ever called me _____" said by Muhammad Ali.

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This is an interesting point and a chance to understand how the world has changed. Vietnam was about stopping the spread of communism because the USSR had a goal of taking over the world. Russia no longer has that goal or ability. Putin cares about his own wealth and Russia's interests. He could care less about spreading communism around the globe outside of where it benefits him. That's the difference between today's world and the Cold War. The only country even close to what the USSR was trying to do is China but even China isn't really interested in spreading communism per se, they just want to project their own power and protect their own interests.

It takes a different mentality to fight those different types of enemies. Ali didn't see the spread of communism as a threat nearly to the level of domestic issues. In a lot of ways he has been proven right but at least then you had the USSR with an active strategy of trying to take over the world and destroy the US. The Post Cold War world is one of regional powers. Russia wants to control its region. China wants to control it's region. They both are led by some pretty terrible people but that's been the case for most of history. I would still take Putin and Xi over Stalin and Mao any day. Hell Stalin didn't want to just control Ukraine he essentially starved a huge portion of their population and murdered another. Mao killed at least 100 million through purges and starvation, likely a hell of a lot more but he killed anyone that could report on it. Putin and Xi are softies compared to those guys.

So the real question is what does America want? If you want to be an empire be an empire. There is a hell of a lot of cost and risk with that though and I'm pretty certain that isn't what most folks here want anymore. So the other choice is to be Nationalistic and protect your own interests. That means that sometimes injustice is going to happen in the world and we will shrug our shoulders because it doesn't affect us. It also means when something does affect us we hit back and hard. It also means that we play both sides at times like our enemies do and aren't restricted by trying to be the nice guy.

Our biggest problem is we don't know what we want and we have no consistent message or goal in order to achieve it. That's going to result in a lot of very bad things continuing to happen.

larry culpepper said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Reading this thread is like taking crazy pills. A bunch of CMs (the usual suspects) don't understand nuance...at all...and jump in this thread emotionally attacking everything that moves because they aren't bright enough to understand Tucker's commentary.

It's easy to see why we are where we are currently as a country. Supposedly college educated adults can't grasp subtlety or nuance so they create strawmen to argue against and blame the "other side" for supporting Putin because they aren't equipped to grasp what should be glaringly obvious (looking at Georgia's true colors re-emerging). When you try to break it down and explain it to them slowly they put their fingers in their ears and start screaming " BUT MUH RUSSIA"!

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It's not nuanced though. This wasn't a one-off comment from Tucker. He's been pushing pro-Russia, anti-NATO **** for years. Defends Putin's every move, explains his side of the story. And I'm not buying his "hAs PuTiN eVeR CaLLeD mE RaCiSt??" diatribe, because it's a disingenuous argument and distracts form the real issue. He's downplaying the Russian threat by talking about other domestic issues. Tucker doesn't seem to understand you can care about more than one issue at the same time.

There's nothing subtle or nuanced about the garbage that comes out of his mouth. He's actively pro-Russian and pro-Putin and he's using a superficial sense of patriotism to justify it.

Tucker is a traitor and he can go **** himself.

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Conversely, you and people like you are downplaying domestic issues by putting up a Tucker straw man. Which one is the bigger problem to Americans on a daily basis?

GeorgiAg said:

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Redstone said:

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Is Putin a direct threat to the United States?

Who will say so explicitly?

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He's a threat to my retirement account.

I agree, it's only an indirect threat at this point. We just need to sanction the F*** out of him, his supporters and hope it dooms his regime.

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Liberals are more of a threat to your retirement account and the gas prices, and they live here.

Boo Weekley said:

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Getting back to the heart of the thread and Tucker's overall point...I challenge any white liberal or "concerned moderate" to refute the following: White liberals/democrats and China are BY FAR the two greatest threats our nation faces and it is not even close. Russia pales in comparison. Russia isn't constantly promoting and directly and actively contributing to our cultural rot. Russia isn't turning our cities into violent hellscapes. They are not cutting off O&G production domestically. We, with the help of China, are ruining our own nation.

OK, go!

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Our domestic cultural issues and China are a significant concern. And will continue to be. No debate there.

However, it is alright to acknowledge that Russia is becoming more of a thread as Putin becomes emboldened. This is a lot more aggressive than his previous actions in Crimea. They may only be 3% of global GDP but they are 11% of global energy production. They have the ability to launch aggressive cyber attacks. This whole situation continues to destabilize Europe (our chief ally) and worldwide supply chains.

Putin is a serious threat on the world stage right now and we should be publicly condemning his actions unanimously. You can do 2 things at once.

Old McDonald said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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Redstone said:

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Is Putin a direct threat to the United States?

Who will say so explicitly?

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He's a threat to my retirement account.

I agree, it's only an indirect threat at this point. We just need to sanction the F*** out of him, his supporters and hope it dooms his regime.

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his actions also directly influence the pain Americans feel at the pump, even if he's not the only influencing factor

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Yes, and Biden/Democrats have enabled those actions. It's a feature, not a glitch, for the American politicians/party you support. Also, Zelensky said nice things about Trump and held information about the Biden business activities in Ukraine, so this is basically a 2-fer to get rid of him, for leftists like yourself.

txislandag86 said:

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If Russia invading Ukraine Poland is such a cataclysmic event to democracy why is the US not mobilizing troops?

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If Russia Germany invading Ukraine Poland, Austria, England, and Czechoslovakia is such a cataclysmic event to democracy why is the US not mobilizing troops?

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I don't know - maybe because we want war as a last resort? Because as free people, we have a say in when we start to get body bags shipped home from overseas? Maybe because if our politicians invade somebody whenever they want, we can vote them out of office?

baron_von_awesome said:

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MiniShrike said:

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Why am I unsurprised that the super secret discord crew is back and cheerleading Putin?

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The crew never left....have not seen you around

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What the heck is this even about? A secret society? Reminds me of the Q-anon thread or something.

the problem with this reasoning is there will ALWAYS be other issues. Tucker acts like you can only really care about one thing at a time. You can care about the Ukraine situation and also care about domestic issues. You can hate Putin and hate Biden. I dont care for Biden at all, though I dont hate him the same way people here do.

larry culpepper said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Reading this thread is like taking crazy pills. A bunch of CMs (the usual suspects) don't understand nuance...at all...and jump in this thread emotionally attacking everything that moves because they aren't bright enough to understand Tucker's commentary.

It's easy to see why we are where we are currently as a country. Supposedly college educated adults can't grasp subtlety or nuance so they create strawmen to argue against and blame the "other side" for supporting Putin because they aren't equipped to grasp what should be glaringly obvious (looking at Georgia's true colors re-emerging). When you try to break it down and explain it to them slowly they put their fingers in their ears and start screaming " BUT MUH RUSSIA"!

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It's not nuanced though. This wasn't a one-off comment from Tucker. He's been pushing pro-Russia, anti-NATO **** for years. Defends Putin's every move, explains his side of the story. And I'm not buying his "hAs PuTiN eVeR CaLLeD mE RaCiSt??" diatribe, because it's a disingenuous argument and distracts form the real issue. He's downplaying the Russian threat by talking about other domestic issues. Tucker doesn't seem to understand you can care about more than one issue at the same time.

There's nothing subtle or nuanced about the garbage that comes out of his mouth. He's actively pro-Russian and pro-Putin and he's using a superficial sense of patriotism to justify it.

Tucker is a traitor and he can go **** himself.

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You couldn't have proven my point any better if you tried.

*chef's kiss*

Biden should have just promised Ukraine will never be a part of NATO.

Old McDonald said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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Redstone said:

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Is Putin a direct threat to the United States?

Who will say so explicitly?

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He's a threat to my retirement account.

I agree, it's only an indirect threat at this point. We just need to sanction the F*** out of him, his supporters and hope it dooms his regime.

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his actions also directly influence the pain Americans feel at the pump, even if he's not the only influencing factor

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Thank the guy you voted for.

larry culpepper said:

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the problem with this reasoning is there will ALWAYS be other issues. Tucker acts like you can only really care about one thing at a time. You can care about the Ukraine situation and also care about domestic issues. You can hate Putin and hate Biden. I dont care for Biden at all, though I dont hate him the same way people here do.

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It's not an either/or situation. It's a matter of setting priorities. All these issues are problems, but which one is the biggest problem?

The Biden camp wants us to believe that Ukraine is a bigger problem because they have arguably less culpability there while the domestic ones fall directly in their lap. There is no mystery behind people such as Tucker trying to get folks to properly assess what should be the appropriate priorities.

Seeing similar takes from other talking heads

https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1496124028968394765?s=20&t=1eBZY9IhNY7GpWaFrSyMFQ

I take great insult at you calling me a leftist

i'm a concerned moderate

GeorgiAg said:

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Redstone said:

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Is Putin a direct threat to the United States?

Who will say so explicitly?

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He's a threat to my retirement account.

I agree, it's only an indirect threat at this point. We just need to sanction the F*** out of him, his supporters and hope it dooms his regime.

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LOL, now do China and the American left. They are a much more direct threat to my retirement account and the safety of me and my family. We are getting TF out of Houston because it is getting so bad. My cousin has had two cartel style shootouts right next to his townhome in the last few months. Houston leads nation in murders thanks to democrats in power.

In comparison to the threat China and the white American left pose to our nation and culture, I could not care less about Russia. They affect me none.

BoydCrowder13 said:

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Boo Weekley said:

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Getting back to the heart of the thread and Tucker's overall point...I challenge any white liberal or "concerned moderate" to refute the following: White liberals/democrats and China are BY FAR the two greatest threats our nation faces and it is not even close. Russia pales in comparison. Russia isn't constantly promoting and directly and actively contributing to our cultural rot. Russia isn't turning our cities into violent hellscapes. They are not cutting off O&G production domestically. We, with the help of China, are ruining our own nation.

OK, go!

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Our domestic cultural issues and China are a significant concern. And will continue to be. No debate there.

However, it is alright to acknowledge that Russia is becoming more of a thread as Putin becomes emboldened. This is a lot more aggressive than his previous actions in Crimea. They may only be 3% of global GDP but they are 11% of global energy production. They have the ability to launch aggressive cyber attacks. This whole situation continues to destabilize Europe (our chief ally) and worldwide supply chains.

Putin is a serious threat on the world stage right now and we should be publicly condemning his actions unanimously. You can do 2 things at once.

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I agree, but my point, and Tucker's, is that China and the white left are a much more immediate and direct threat to our nation and culture, yet almost everyone is silent on both, while they scream about the Russia boogieman.

China is actively targeting our children.

larry culpepper said:

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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

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Reading this thread is like taking crazy pills. A bunch of CMs (the usual suspects) don't understand nuance...at all...and jump in this thread emotionally attacking everything that moves because they aren't bright enough to understand Tucker's commentary.

It's easy to see why we are where we are currently as a country. Supposedly college educated adults can't grasp subtlety or nuance so they create strawmen to argue against and blame the "other side" for supporting Putin because they aren't equipped to grasp what should be glaringly obvious (looking at Georgia's true colors re-emerging). When you try to break it down and explain it to them slowly they put their fingers in their ears and start screaming " BUT MUH RUSSIA"!

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It's not nuanced though. This wasn't a one-off comment from Tucker. He's been pushing pro-Russia, anti-NATO **** for years. Defends Putin's every move, explains his side of the story. And I'm not buying his "hAs PuTiN eVeR CaLLeD mE RaCiSt??" diatribe, because it's a disingenuous argument and distracts form the real issue. He's downplaying the Russian threat by talking about other domestic issues. Tucker doesn't seem to understand you can care about more than one issue at the same time.

There's nothing subtle or nuanced about the garbage that comes out of his mouth. He's actively pro-Russian and pro-Putin and he's using a superficial sense of patriotism to justify it.

Tucker is a traitor and he can go **** himself.

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Sorry but this isn't true at all. Tucker is a pure Nationalist. If it isn't in America's direct interest he doesn't really care about it. He also doesn't see a big fundamental difference morally between Putin vs Xi or others. He doesn't like them but he doesn't see a lot of folks in the world who wear white hats that lead countries. His focus is on the US and not the world and people that are a threat to us or how we can operate in our interest. I mean on the surface how can you justify doing massive amounts of trade and being on friendly relations with China when they are also taking over places like Hong Kong but Putin is the bad guy? At least Putin isn't doing ethnic cleansing and throwing people into concentration camps.

There is also some truth in saying we could have or should have gone down a different path where we are more allied with Russia against China. Hell, we called Stalin "Uncle Joe" during WWII when he was our ally and sent him MASSIVE amounts of money and supplies and Stalin may well have been literally worse than Hitler. He certainly killed a lot more people and he was more ruthless (which is a really freaking high bar to get over). The difference between the two was really that Stalin was a lot smarter than Hitler and he understood strategy. Hitler was a great speaker and knew how to play the part but he was just not very smart in the end. So Hitler lost and is reviled as the worst human of the 20th Century. Stalin died of old age and killed all his enemies and then some and is largely given a pass or his atrocities are swept under the rug.

It's a nasty an unfair world we live in and unfortunately there are a lot more shades of grey than black and white.

GeorgiAg said:

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Biden should have just promised Ukraine will never be a part of NATO.

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Sigh, you still don't get it at all. Biden's handlers probably wanted this to happen. Why else would they send Kamala over there to prevent it ahead of time?

there's not much nuance in tucker's take here. he ascended to fame and fortune by spoon feeding grievance politics to an audience addicted to outrage. this is just him going back to the well and reminding them why they're watching - to be mad at the libs. never mind the nuclear power dictator invading his neighbor on the doorstep of our allies.

if he wants to make the case that we have bigger threats domestically than Russia fine, but he can do it without dismissing Putin's actions

Boo Weekley said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Boo Weekley said:

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Getting back to the heart of the thread and Tucker's overall point...I challenge any white liberal or "concerned moderate" to refute the following: White liberals/democrats and China are BY FAR the two greatest threats our nation faces and it is not even close. Russia pales in comparison. Russia isn't constantly promoting and directly and actively contributing to our cultural rot. Russia isn't turning our cities into violent hellscapes. They are not cutting off O&G production domestically. We, with the help of China, are ruining our own nation.

OK, go!

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Our domestic cultural issues and China are a significant concern. And will continue to be. No debate there.

However, it is alright to acknowledge that Russia is becoming more of a thread as Putin becomes emboldened. This is a lot more aggressive than his previous actions in Crimea. They may only be 3% of global GDP but they are 11% of global energy production. They have the ability to launch aggressive cyber attacks. This whole situation continues to destabilize Europe (our chief ally) and worldwide supply chains.

Putin is a serious threat on the world stage right now and we should be publicly condemning his actions unanimously. You can do 2 things at once.

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I agree, but my point, and Tucker's, is that China and the white left are a much more immediate and direct threat to our nation and culture, yet almost everyone is silent on both, while they scream about the Russia boogieman.

China is actively targeting our children.

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Sections of the population may be quiet about those but those issues have been pretty loudly bemoaned. China has been criticized heavily recently while at the forefront of the Olympics. Cultural issues are why the Republicans have surged in the polls and even freaking San Francisco is booting some leftist school board members. Those issues are on the front of nearly everyone's mind.

We should call Putin out as the evil leader he is. If this conflict continues, he will absolutely have a significant impact on you and your family.

I get what Tucker is doing but he's made a lot of weird comments around Russia over the last few years. I think it isn't a great time to be talking about Putin in a positive light (even as a comparison to other things). Just call him a dirtbag and move on. Just because liberals dislike Putin, doesn't mean we have to like him.

China is a nuclear power that is threatening a neighbor, and China is a much bigger threat to us right now than Russia. Which should we be more concerned about?

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Sorry but this isn't true at all. Tucker is a pure Nationalist. If it isn't in America's direct interest he doesn't really care about it. He also doesn't see a big fundamental difference morally between Putin vs Xi or others. He doesn't like them but he doesn't see a lot of folks in the world who wear white hats that lead countries. His focus is on the US and not the world and people that are a threat to us or how we can operate in our interest. I mean on the surface how can you justify doing massive amounts of trade and being on friendly relations with China when they are also taking over places like Hong Kong but Putin is the bad guy? At least Putin isn't doing ethnic cleansing and throwing people into concentration camps.

There is also some truth in saying we could have or should have gone down a different path where we are more allied with Russia against China. Hell, we called Stalin "Uncle Joe" during WWII when he was our ally and sent him MASSIVE amounts of money and supplies and Stalin may well have been literally worse than Hitler. He certainly killed a lot more people and he was more ruthless (which is a really freaking high bar to get over). The difference between the two was really that Stalin was a lot smarter than Hitler and he understood strategy. Hitler was a great speaker and knew how to play the part but he was just not very smart in the end. So Hitler lost and is reviled as the worst human of the 20th Century. Stalin died of old age and killed all his enemies and then some and is largely given a pass or his atrocities are swept under the rug.

It's a nasty an unfair world we live in and unfortunately there are a lot more shades of grey than black and white.

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Putin and Xi are different flavors of evil just like Hitler and Stalin were. Putin is an evil tyrant who jails/kills dissidents and journalists and is trying to revive the Soviet Union. Xi puts undesirables in concentration camps, kills thousands of his own people, and covered up the origins of covid. Both are evil and should be treated as such, and no I dont like any friendly approach to China with international trade or the bull**** appeasement we see in the sports and media world.

If that's Tucker's view (and that's really giving him the benefit of the doubt here), I reject that view. There are domestic issues that affect the average American then there are big geopolitical issues that threaten America's place on the world stage, and threaten America's allies. We could debate all day on which is more important than the other, but I see all of these as important issues.

larry culpepper said:

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Sorry but this isn't true at all. Tucker is a pure Nationalist. If it isn't in America's direct interest he doesn't really care about it. He also doesn't see a big fundamental difference morally between Putin vs Xi or others. He doesn't like them but he doesn't see a lot of folks in the world who wear white hats that lead countries. His focus is on the US and not the world and people that are a threat to us or how we can operate in our interest. I mean on the surface how can you justify doing massive amounts of trade and being on friendly relations with China when they are also taking over places like Hong Kong but Putin is the bad guy? At least Putin isn't doing ethnic cleansing and throwing people into concentration camps.

There is also some truth in saying we could have or should have gone down a different path where we are more allied with Russia against China. Hell, we called Stalin "Uncle Joe" during WWII when he was our ally and sent him MASSIVE amounts of money and supplies and Stalin may well have been literally worse than Hitler. He certainly killed a lot more people and he was more ruthless (which is a really freaking high bar to get over). The difference between the two was really that Stalin was a lot smarter than Hitler and he understood strategy. Hitler was a great speaker and knew how to play the part but he was just not very smart in the end. So Hitler lost and is reviled as the worst human of the 20th Century. Stalin died of old age and killed all his enemies and then some and is largely given a pass or his atrocities are swept under the rug.

It's a nasty an unfair world we live in and unfortunately there are a lot more shades of grey than black and white.

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Putin and Xi are different flavors of evil just like Hitler and Stalin were. Putin is an evil tyrant who jails/kills dissidents and journalists and is trying to revive the Soviet Union. Xi puts undesirables in concentration camps, kills thousands of his own people, and covered up the origins of covid. Both are evil and should be treated as such, and no I dont like any friendly approach to China with international trade or the bull**** appeasement we see in the sports and media world.

If that's Tucker's view (and that's really giving him the benefit of the doubt here), I reject that view. There are domestic issues that affect the average American then there are big geopolitical issues that threaten America's place on the world stage, and threaten America's allies. We could debate all day on which is more important than the other, but I see all of these as important issues.

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You're getting close but where was your outrage when Obama and then Biden strengthened Russia's position? Or is your outrage just reserved for talk show hosts that use nuance, hyperbole and sarcasm to make a point you don't seem to grasp?

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Reading this thread is like taking crazy pills. A bunch of CMs (the usual suspects) don't understand nuance...at all...and jump in this thread emotionally attacking everything that moves because they aren't bright enough to understand Tucker's commentary.

It's easy to see why we are where we are currently as a country. Supposedly college educated adults can't grasp subtlety or nuance so they create strawmen to argue against and blame the "other side" for supporting Putin because they aren't equipped to grasp what should be glaringly obvious (looking at Georgia's true colors re-emerging). When you try to break it down and explain it to them slowly they put their fingers in their ears and start screaming " BUT MUH RUSSIA"!

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It's not nuanced though. This wasn't a one-off comment from Tucker. He's been pushing pro-Russia, anti-NATO **** for years. Defends Putin's every move, explains his side of the story. And I'm not buying his "hAs PuTiN eVeR CaLLeD mE RaCiSt??" diatribe, because it's a disingenuous argument and distracts form the real issue. He's downplaying the Russian threat by talking about other domestic issues. Tucker doesn't seem to understand you can care about more than one issue at the same time.

There's nothing subtle or nuanced about the garbage that comes out of his mouth. He's actively pro-Russian and pro-Putin and he's using a superficial sense of patriotism to justify it.

Tucker is a traitor and he can go **** himself.

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Sorry but this isn't true at all. Tucker is a pure Nationalist. Tucker is a chubby-cheeked, highly compensated merito-crat who took easy prep school classes and learned how to manipulate people to get clicks. If it isn't in America's his bank account's direct interest he doesn't really care about it. He also doesn't see a big fundamental difference morally between Putin vs Xi or others. He doesn't like them but he doesn't see a lot of folks in the world who wear white hats that lead countries. His focus is on the US and not the world and people that are a threat to us or how we can operate in our interest. I mean on the surface how can you justify doing massive amounts of trade and being on friendly relations with China when they are also taking over places like Hong Kong but Putin is the bad guy? You're right. They should just take Taiwan and get it over with. At least Putin isn't doing ethnic cleansing and throwing people into concentration camps. You haven't been paying attention. Good luck being a Christian in Russia right now.

There is also some truth in saying we could have or should have gone down a different path where we are more allied with Russia against China. Hell, we called Stalin "Uncle Joe" during WWII when he was our ally and sent him MASSIVE amounts of money and supplies and Stalin may well have been literally worse than Hitler. He certainly killed a lot more people and he was more ruthless (which is a really freaking high bar to get over). The difference between the two was really that Stalin was a lot smarter than Hitler and he understood strategy. Hitler was a great speaker and knew how to play the part but he was just not very smart in the end. And to think I took all those political science and history course and lived in Normandy to study WWII, when I could have just read your blog. So Hitler lost and is reviled as the worst human of the 20th Century. Stalin died of old age and killed all his enemies and then some and is largely given a pass or his atrocities are swept under the rug. By whom? If you mean current day Russians, you may have a point.

It's a nasty and unfair world we live in and unfortunately there are a lot more shades of grey than black and white.

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