Mr. AGSPRT04 said:

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TAMUallen said:

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You can easily buy cell phone data. Just like if you have IP numbers or cell phone numbers. You just have to know where to buy.

The entire mobile ad space is about knowing where youve been and what you search for

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Do tell. I have occasion to subpoena mobile device records and have never located such information.

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Find any engineer aka anybody related in programming at a DSP

Keegan99 said:

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UntoldSpirit said:

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Keegan99 said:

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So that justifies such a flim-flam presentation?

If they have the goods, one of the worst ways to present the information is as a movie.

Make a detailed, ironclad case online.

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That's BS. So here we see one of the first lines of defense against it. It's a "flim flam presentation", but it hasn't even been presented yet.

Clearly it will be picked apart, but that will be much harder to do with a movie presentation and video that ties the evidence together.

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You honestly think the best way to get this very detailed, very critical information out is via... a movie?!

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Algore says 'hi'

Aggie95 said:

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Dinesh D'Souza and James O'Keefe.......wake me up when one of these "bombshell" investigations actually turns into something useful. Not that I don't appreciate their work and effort but I'm not expecting anything to come from this.

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Exactly.

Always lots of hype, but no shortage of duds.

When someone has the goods, they don't do a *movie*.

They publish a fully-sourced-and-cited, unimpeachable report.

Kashchei said:

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Keegan99 said:

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UntoldSpirit said:

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Keegan99 said:

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So that justifies such a flim-flam presentation?

If they have the goods, one of the worst ways to present the information is as a movie.

Make a detailed, ironclad case online.

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That's BS. So here we see one of the first lines of defense against it. It's a "flim flam presentation", but it hasn't even been presented yet.

Clearly it will be picked apart, but that will be much harder to do with a movie presentation and video that ties the evidence together.

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You honestly think the best way to get this very detailed, very critical information out is via... a movie?!

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Algore says 'hi'

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Proves my point. Al did his film projects for a buck. Not because he had the goods.

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Mr. AGSPRT04 said:

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TAMUallen said:

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You can easily buy cell phone data. Just like if you have IP numbers or cell phone numbers. You just have to know where to buy.

The entire mobile ad space is about knowing where youve been and what you search for

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Do tell. I have occasion to subpoena mobile device records and have never located such information.

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It is definitely available for purchase. That's how they kept putting out all the maps of spring breakers traveling to their destinations and then dispersing throughout the country acting as "super spreaders." You get the data, you don't get personal identifying information, which sounds like what you were trying to subpoena.

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There's limits on the length you can store the data with certain identifiers but other data with less identifiers can be stored indefinitely. We had geofence data and event fence data. Same exact tech but event fence was probably a tenth of the users collected. Never got official info on what differentiated the two because even tech companies don't shoot straight or are transparent with their employees using the data.

However, there's no real active government monitoring of this data and collection thereof..so if you have unlimited storage and the balls to get busted with it, you could collect data on every cell user and their geo location every second their device broadcast it.

Why do you think there are government databanks that make silicon valley look like kids play?

Keegan99 said:

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UntoldSpirit said:

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Keegan99 said:

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So that justifies such a flim-flam presentation?

If they have the goods, one of the worst ways to present the information is as a movie.

Make a detailed, ironclad case online.

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That's BS. So here we see one of the first lines of defense against it. It's a "flim flam presentation", but it hasn't even been presented yet.

Clearly it will be picked apart, but that will be much harder to do with a movie presentation and video that ties the evidence together.

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You honestly think the best way to get this very detailed, very critical information out is via... a movie?!

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Depending on the presentation, it could be one of the best ways. We will see. I always just expect "nothing burger" no matter what now. But if they clearly illustrate and present all the info in a way that's far easier to absorb than reading a news story with a bunch of data and charts (which most Americans suck at), it could be a good method. This form of media can be far more compelling and easy to understand for the avg person than a news story where they just want to read the headline and a few of the first paragraphs or sentences.

Boo Weekley said:

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Keegan99 said:

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UntoldSpirit said:

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Keegan99 said:

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So that justifies such a flim-flam presentation?

If they have the goods, one of the worst ways to present the information is as a movie.

Make a detailed, ironclad case online.

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That's BS. So here we see one of the first lines of defense against it. It's a "flim flam presentation", but it hasn't even been presented yet.

Clearly it will be picked apart, but that will be much harder to do with a movie presentation and video that ties the evidence together.

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You honestly think the best way to get this very detailed, very critical information out is via... a movie?!

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Depending on the presentation, it could be one of the best ways. We will see. I always just expect "nothing burger" no matter what now. But if they clearly illustrate and present all the info in a way that's far easier to absorb than reading a news story with a bunch of data and charts (which most Americans suck at), it could be a good method. This form of media can be far more compelling and easy to understand for the avg person than a news story where they just want to read the headline and a few of the first paragraphs or sentences.

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It'll resonate with those who want to listen.

Has an off chance of going viral but my bet is the powers at play silence it before it gains traction.

Gotta find a better way at beating them since they own the game

UntoldSpirit said:

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Aggie95 said:

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Dinesh D'Souza and James O'Keefe.......wake me up when one of these "bombshell" investigations actually turns into something useful. Not that I don't appreciate their work and effort but I'm not expecting anything to come from this.

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Does informing Americans count as "anything"? Because it does in my book.

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who's going to be informed that isn't already. We know there was voter fraud....yet people just choose to ignore it or don't believe it.

Aggie95 said:

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UntoldSpirit said:

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Aggie95 said:

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Dinesh D'Souza and James O'Keefe.......wake me up when one of these "bombshell" investigations actually turns into something useful. Not that I don't appreciate their work and effort but I'm not expecting anything to come from this.

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Does informing Americans count as "anything"? Because it does in my book.

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who's going to be informed that isn't already. We know there was voter fraud....yet people just choose to ignore it or don't believe it.

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I disagree. Nobody truly knows the extent of the voter fraud. It ranges from practically non existent to massively significant.

This will shed light on that for millions of Americans. If it is as D'Souza is claiming, then it will convince millions just how important it is to change the laws to prevent this type of fraud.

Granted, Americans should already know how important this is, but the "disinformation" and brain washing out there is significant.

UntoldSpirit said:

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Aggie95 said:

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Dinesh D'Souza and James O'Keefe.......wake me up when one of these "bombshell" investigations actually turns into something useful. Not that I don't appreciate their work and effort but I'm not expecting anything to come from this.

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Does informing Americans count as "anything"? Because it does in my book.

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No one is going to watch this movie that isn't already a "believer".

More to the point, I can point my friends to a web site with detailed information. They'll at least consider it and see if it checks out.

I have a 0% chance of getting them to watch a friggin' movie.

Keegan99 said:

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UntoldSpirit said:

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Aggie95 said:

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Dinesh D'Souza and James O'Keefe.......wake me up when one of these "bombshell" investigations actually turns into something useful. Not that I don't appreciate their work and effort but I'm not expecting anything to come from this.

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Does informing Americans count as "anything"? Because it does in my book.

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No one is going to watch this movie that isn't already a "believer".

More to the point, I can point my friends to a web site with detailed information. They'll at least consider it and see if it checks out.

I have a 0% chance of getting them to watch a friggin' movie.

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Then I would say your friends are not the statistical norm. Videos of people stuffing ballot boxes is fairly compelling. So are maps showing the paths of the mules based on cell phone data. Just the preview alone is the type of thing that could go viral.

I guess your friends will have to wait for the spreadsheet version. They sound like accountants. If so, I'm sure they have patience and can wait.

From OPs link...

WHAT DONALD TRUMP HAS TO SAY:

"Highly respected Dinesh D'Souza, working together with Catherine Engelbrecht of True the Vote, just released a trailer to their new movie, "2,000 Mules," that shows the world exactly how the 2020 Presidential Election was Rigged and Stolen. The movie exposes the lies of the Democrats, RINOs, and Fake News who say it was the "most secure election in history." It was, perhaps, the least secure in history. The ballot box was stuffed, and stuffed like never beforeand it's all on video. Ballots were trafficked and sold in a massive operation in each Swing State. The evidence is so damning, what will the cowards who sat and did nothing about the stolen election say now? The way our votes were taken away is a disgrace to our Nation. It must be fixed."

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Stolen election. We all know it. Even the ones who pretend not to.

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Maybe you can get this message to Ben Shapiro. You'll find him hiding under his desk.

You're trying to reason with the perpetual half empty vessel that's about three bubbles off plumb and a chronic pessimist

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You're trying to reason with the perpetual half empty vessel that's about three bubbles off plumb and a chronic pessimist

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Nah, there's just a best way to present a case when you've truly got the goods, and a movie ain't it.

It's the ultimate "preaching to the choir" move.

UntoldSpirit said:

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Keegan99 said:

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UntoldSpirit said:

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Aggie95 said:

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Dinesh D'Souza and James O'Keefe.......wake me up when one of these "bombshell" investigations actually turns into something useful. Not that I don't appreciate their work and effort but I'm not expecting anything to come from this.

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Does informing Americans count as "anything"? Because it does in my book.

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No one is going to watch this movie that isn't already a "believer".

More to the point, I can point my friends to a web site with detailed information. They'll at least consider it and see if it checks out.

I have a 0% chance of getting them to watch a friggin' movie.

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Then I would say your friends are not the statistical norm. Videos of people stuffing ballot boxes is fairly compelling. So are maps showing the paths of the mules based on cell phone data. Just the preview alone is the type of thing that could go viral.

I guess your friends will have to wait for the spreadsheet version. They sound like accountants. If so, I'm sure they have patience and can wait.

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Yes, a video with a proper explanation on a web site and full cites and sourcing is compelling.

Burying it in a movie isn't.

Make a full and appropriate professional case. Make it ironclad. Make it irrefutable.

TAMUallen said:

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Boo Weekley said:

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Keegan99 said:

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UntoldSpirit said:

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Keegan99 said:

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So that justifies such a flim-flam presentation?

If they have the goods, one of the worst ways to present the information is as a movie.

Make a detailed, ironclad case online.

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That's BS. So here we see one of the first lines of defense against it. It's a "flim flam presentation", but it hasn't even been presented yet.

Clearly it will be picked apart, but that will be much harder to do with a movie presentation and video that ties the evidence together.

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You honestly think the best way to get this very detailed, very critical information out is via... a movie?!

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Depending on the presentation, it could be one of the best ways. We will see. I always just expect "nothing burger" no matter what now. But if they clearly illustrate and present all the info in a way that's far easier to absorb than reading a news story with a bunch of data and charts (which most Americans suck at), it could be a good method. This form of media can be far more compelling and easy to understand for the avg person than a news story where they just want to read the headline and a few of the first paragraphs or sentences.

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It'll resonate with those who want to listen.

Has an off chance of going viral but my bet is the powers at play silence it before it gains traction.

Gotta find a better way at beating them since they own the game

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Agreed. They're playing a very dangerous game though. Eventually the only outlet left will be violence if they keep these tactics up.

Yes, when making what would be some of the most significant, Earth-shattering claims in American History, college-educated professionals want to see a clean, professionally-presented, rock-solid case.

Not a movie.

Keegan99 said:

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UntoldSpirit said:

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Keegan99 said:

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UntoldSpirit said:

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Aggie95 said:

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Dinesh D'Souza and James O'Keefe.......wake me up when one of these "bombshell" investigations actually turns into something useful. Not that I don't appreciate their work and effort but I'm not expecting anything to come from this.

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Does informing Americans count as "anything"? Because it does in my book.

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No one is going to watch this movie that isn't already a "believer".

More to the point, I can point my friends to a web site with detailed information. They'll at least consider it and see if it checks out.

I have a 0% chance of getting them to watch a friggin' movie.

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Then I would say your friends are not the statistical norm. Videos of people stuffing ballot boxes is fairly compelling. So are maps showing the paths of the mules based on cell phone data. Just the preview alone is the type of thing that could go viral.

I guess your friends will have to wait for the spreadsheet version. They sound like accountants. If so, I'm sure they have patience and can wait.

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Yes, a video with a proper explanation on a web site and full cites and sourcing is compelling.

Burying it in a movie isn't.

Make a full and appropriate professional case. Make it ironclad. Make it irrefutable.

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Won't do any good though. Many don't read, and there are legions of actively dishonest writers in the press to counter any report. And the DOJ is more corrupt than any third world government. Its the rank and file you want to reach and believe this, and who knows, the movie may make it clear enough.

Come November people are going to want to hoist on the petard the wreckers of the economy, streets, schools, and everything else, so if there is some visual image they have in mind to prevent repeat cheating it might prove useful.

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Yes, when making what would be some of the most significant, Earth-shattering claims in American History, college-educated professionals want to see a clean, professionally-presented, rock-solid case.

Not a movie.

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Frankly it isn't Earth shattering. These are not "the most significant, Earth-shattering claims in American History". College educated professionals should already KNOW this happened given the push to make the laws so that ballot harvesting (and ballot manipulation) was either legal or not detectable. The real question is the extent, but an investigation showing that it was significant and may have decided the election should not even be that surprising.

The liberal activists worked hard to create this opportunity for themselves in the voting laws. It stands to reason that they took full advantage of it, including casting illegal and illegitimate votes. Who on Earth doesn't believe they would do this to take down Donald Trump?

Yes. They called it "fortifying the election"

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If true, it will be interesting to see the (1) response from Trump, (2) response from Fox, (3) response from the Republicans, and last but not least (4) the response from the lying, cheating, dirtbag democrats and their pals at CNN and MSNBC.

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I'm interested in the response from those on this forum who keep pretending that things were "fair and square".

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I'm not

Stolen election, puppet president. Amazing the pup is being allowed to stay in place with this joke of an administration taking so many actions to destroy America.

Lots of BAS here and understandably so.

Once the "movie" is released, conservative media will go into over drive giving you a url to share w/ your friends.

You can release your inner influencer self and feel better and that is the purpose.

Your Project Veritas, Alex Jones, Lifesite News marginalization syndrome is certainly understandable. But, do you expect legacy media to ever give any of this a microsecond of air? We all know better. Should we just move on and win elections?

I too, am torn. On the one hand, we should move forward and beat the opposition w/ policy. On the other, we should look to the past and vindicate the record 75M that came out and voted w/ us.

These types of stories are a tightrope of turnout.

This "movie" won't change many minds, but it will drive turnout and fundraising w/ a base that craves validation.

This will suffice:

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I too, am torn. On the one hand, we should move forward and beat the opposition w/ policy.

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This part of the historical record can be figured out after ousting them from power:

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On the other, we should look to the past and vindicate the record 75M that came out and voted w/ us.

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Dinesh's movies in a lot of ways ruined politics in this country entirely. Before him, money wasn't considered free speech, PACs weren't a thing, and dark money with foreign influence wasn't pouring in. Citizen's United killed politics and made the battleground an international one thereby eroding our country. **** that guy and his movies, regardless of what he says.

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Supposedly, GA Sec of State Raffensperger is investigating after True the Vote provided evidence...

From 4 Jan 2022

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According to interviews and documents reviewed by Just the News, Raffensperger's office received a detailed complaint from conservative voter integrity group True the Vote on Nov. 30 saying it had assembled evidence that scores of activists worked with nonprofit groups to collect and deliver thousands of absentee ballots, often during wee-hour operations, to temporary voting drop boxes distributed around the state during the pandemic.

The group informed the secretary its evidence included video footage from surveillance cameras placed by counties outside the drop boxes as well as geolocation data for the cell phones of more than 200 activists seen on the tapes purportedly showing the dates and times of ballot drop-offs, according to documents reviewed by Just the News.

The group also said it interviewed a Georgia man who admitted he was paid thousands of dollars to harvest ballots in the Atlanta metropolitan area during the November election and the lead-up to Jan. 5, 2021 runoff for Georgia's two U.S. Senate seats, which were both captured by Democrats and ended GOP control of Congress. The group has yet to identify the cooperating witness to state authorities, referring to him in the complaint simply as John Doe.

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https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/georgia-opens-investigation-possible-illegal-ballot-harvesting-2020

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He is really just doing a nominal investigation of his own office, to exculpate himself/his staff from any liability. That's why they did a 'recount' to verify loudly the ballots that…included the fraud and that they then counted them right the first time also. It's a big CYA exercise, only. He is in on the fraud, and is/was a willing/eager participant.

TacosaurusRex said:

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Mr. AGSPRT04 said:

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TAMUallen said:

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You can easily buy cell phone data. Just like if you have IP numbers or cell phone numbers. You just have to know where to buy.

The entire mobile ad space is about knowing where youve been and what you search for

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Do tell. I have occasion to subpoena mobile device records and have never located such information.

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It is definitely available for purchase. That's how they kept putting out all the maps of spring breakers traveling to their destinations and then dispersing throughout the country acting as "super spreaders." You get the data, you don't get personal identifying information, which sounds like what you were trying to subpoena.

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I agree, but there has to be a way to get personal data through this stuff as well. How do telemarketing people get my name, phone number, and address when calling offering services such as extended warranties or wanting to buy/sale my house?

It's out there if you know where to look.

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Told you it wasn't the machines. It was targeted ballot harvesting turned up to 11. They found every warm body on the rolls that rarely or never votes and made sure to drop in as soon as their mail in ballot arrived, or carry it to them, "help/advise" them on their votes, the gather them up and deliver them. No telling how many senior living homes simply got all their ballots "intercepted" and mailed back in. No telling how many mail trucks were followed around once local ballots began to be delivered to certain areas. The great majority of ballots turned on were real legit ballots but no telling who actually did the voting and handling. And it did not have to be a national or state effort. A few targeted districts in swing states were all that had to be risked.

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I agree with you Mouth. But don't forget the election law changes via the executive branch that allowed that to happen.

If it were completely up to Dems, they would pass a law that simply counts up the number of minorities in each state and assign those votes to the Dem candidates based on historical proportion, e.g. 90% of the black vote goes to the Dem. No voting needed at all. That's essentially what they want to do with this Voter Fraud Act they are trying to pass.

All this stuff existed before CU.

I have no problem with Dinesh or his movies.

However if his 2000 mule hypothesis is/was credible, the time to know this information was about a year ago.

In 2022 there is negative, -100%, chance Biden admin will be dethroned.

The movie does serve as a good reminder to dramatically shore up voting system integrity and get rid of mail in balloting.