ChemEAg08 said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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baron_von_awesome said:

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BoerneAg11 said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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Fake cards aren't hard to bust, and thankfully we have seen some felony prosecutions for doing this. I was able to assist our HR departing in spotting some.

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Out of curiosity, how are they getting busted if it isn't by people talking too much?

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They aren't, many people, are getting away with fake cards.

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And some aren't

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/12/03/us/nurse-charged-fake-vaccine-cards/index.html

It's very important we throw the book at these felons when caught

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Remember folks, he "objects" to mandates.

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Completely unrelated, and I'm not sure why this is coming to mind, has nothing to do with any of the situations being discussed in this thread here and I'm purely posting this because I don't know of a thread to post this under, but I remember reading about former Nazi's during the Nuremberg Trials that said they objected to The Final Solution but still helped the regime hunt down Jew's. Again I'm not drawing any comparisons to what this thread is about at all, I am just too lazy to post a new thread/comment.

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So last month my umm, 'friend's' company announced that all employees must be vaxxed by Feb. 4 or they'd 'face discipline up to & including termination'.

My errr 'friend' is a conservative badass so naturally he's been doing the 'shall not comply' thing for the past month, staying off the radar with his opinion on the matter and hoping that it gets struck down in the courts before the deadline or that the company will blink first and back down.

Doesn't look like either of those things are going to happen, so now my umm 'friend' is thinking of bending the knee for the almighty paycheck.

Since my friend hasn't paid hardly any attention to all the vaccine noise, he's clueless on which one he should get. Any recommendations? J&J? Moderna? Others?

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I thought the Supreme Court was hearing arguments this month? I expect them to strike it down.

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Ghost91 said:

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So last month my umm, 'friend's' company announced that all employees must be vaxxed by Feb. 4 or they'd 'face discipline up to & including termination'.

My errr 'friend' is a conservative badass so naturally he's been doing the 'shall not comply' thing for the past month, staying off the radar with his opinion on the matter and hoping that it gets struck down in the courts before the deadline or that the company will blink first and back down.

Doesn't look like either of those things are going to happen, so now my umm 'friend' is thinking of bending the knee for the almighty paycheck.

Since my friend hasn't paid hardly any attention to all the vaccine noise, he's clueless on which one he should get. Any recommendations? J&J? Moderna? Others?

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I thought the Supreme Court was hearing arguments this month? I expect them to strike it down.

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Tomorrow

Salute The Marines said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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File5 said:

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Please remind me which law these vaccine requirements are enabled under

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The vaccines does not (my opinion, but 6th circuit disagrees). But fraudulent recreating federal forms and documents is.

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Vaccine cards are issued by local health officials, not Feds

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I think the issue of it being criminal is when they fake the CDC logo on it.

I lost my vax card, so I do not know if mine had a CDC logo on it

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It had the CDC logo on it. Those faking them have been charged by the US Attorneys Office and arraigned.

AGAIN, suggesting a poster fraudulent create a CDC vaccination card is a federal crime and puts Texags in a dangerous position. I am not trolling at all, but advocating of criminal activity on this board should never allowed.

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Edibles are a felony (enforced in Texas but not all states). Just one edible. People openly talk about taking edibles on here, and harder drugs, routinely. They even suggest it.

why make the vaccines mandatory after seeing what Omicron is doing.

All companies should relax/remove mandates in short order.

Is the CDC ever empowered as a regulatory agency or is it merely an advisory agency? It's charge and powers granted by congress matters in regards to what it can actually do.

Salute The Marines said:

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Moderna all day everyday

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More solid evidence to avoid Moderna.

If you get the jab, get the J&J.

Better yet, find someone with Omnicold and ask them to sneeze on you. That's the best vaccine there is.

Boo Weekley said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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Fake cards aren't hard to bust, and thankfully we have seen some felony prosecutions for doing this. I was able to assist our HR departing in spotting some.

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Wow. This take is disgusting, even coming from you. Luckily, I don't believe you for a second. Just like I don't believe you actually signed your 6 and 9 year olds up to be guinea pigs for vaccine testing. I actually don't even believe you have kids. There is something wrong with you.

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Something very wrong with him/her/it/they/them!!!!

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My hope is that the rumors are true and the Army continues assisting the CDC in a digital record so we can move to what Europe has with digital versions that are hard to fake.

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Why don't we all just get QR codes on our foreheads?!!!

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Salute The Marines said:

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File5 said:

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Please remind me which law these vaccine requirements are enabled under

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The vaccines does not (my opinion, but 6th circuit disagrees). But fraudulent recreating federal forms and documents is.

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Vaccine cards are issued by local health officials, not Feds

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I think the issue of it being criminal is when they fake the CDC logo on it.

I lost my vax card, so I do not know if mine had a CDC logo on it

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It had the CDC logo on it. Those faking them have been charged by the US Attorneys Office and arraigned.

AGAIN, suggesting a poster fraudulent create a CDC vaccination card is a federal crime and puts Texags in a dangerous position. I am not trolling at all, but advocating of criminal activity on this board should never allowed.

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Edibles are a felony (enforced in Texas but not all states). Just one edible. People openly talk about taking edibles on here, and harder drugs, routinely. They even suggest it.

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That is why every state should allow it for medicinal purposes

Get the card.
Buy the kind bud, gummies, peanut butter cups, or Cheeto like chips.

Have a fun night binging hulu or Netflix

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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File5 said:

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Please remind me which law these vaccine requirements are enabled under

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The vaccines does not (my opinion, but 6th circuit disagrees). But fraudulent recreating federal forms and documents is.

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Vaccine cards are issued by local health officials, not Feds

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I think the issue of it being criminal is when they fake the CDC logo on it.

I lost my vax card, so I do not know if mine had a CDC logo on it

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The CDC has no legal powers. They're literally a bunch of constantly-wrong tards that are paid WAY too much.

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Never said they did.

But they are a federal agency and you can't fake their logo

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Unlike Salute, I think you are simply answering the question of what is being/could be used to prosecute these people, without opining on the prosecution itself, but I would like your interpretation/opinion on a couple of things.

Do you think that these mandates are valid? Do you think that someone taking action to subvert an unjust law should be prosecuted? If you personally thought the law/action was unjust, would you assist in prosecution of the offenders? At what point does that make you the unjust persecutor?

Salute The Marines said:

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Moderna all day everyday

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we know you would do a shot all day everyday if you could.

it is your god.

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BigRobSA said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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File5 said:

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Please remind me which law these vaccine requirements are enabled under

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The vaccines does not (my opinion, but 6th circuit disagrees). But fraudulent recreating federal forms and documents is.

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Vaccine cards are issued by local health officials, not Feds

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I think the issue of it being criminal is when they fake the CDC logo on it.

I lost my vax card, so I do not know if mine had a CDC logo on it

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The CDC has no legal powers. They're literally a bunch of constantly-wrong tards that are paid WAY too much.

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Never said they did.

But they are a federal agency and you can't fake their logo

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Unlike Salute, I think you are simply answering the question of what is being/could be used to prosecute these people, without opining on the prosecution itself, but I would like your interpretation/opinion on a couple of things.

Do you think that these mandates are valid? Do you think that someone taking action to subvert an unjust law should be prosecuted? If you personally thought the law/action was unjust, would you assist in prosecution of the offenders? At what point does that make you the unjust persecutor?

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I think a private business mandate is valid.
Not right, but valid.

I do not think the feds or the states should have any ability to force adults to get the vaccine to work, go to a concert, or go out to eat.

Durkin Nowitzki said:

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Ghost91 said:

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So last month my umm, 'friend's' company announced that all employees must be vaxxed by Feb. 4 or they'd 'face discipline up to & including termination'.

My errr 'friend' is a conservative badass so naturally he's been doing the 'shall not comply' thing for the past month, staying off the radar with his opinion on the matter and hoping that it gets struck down in the courts before the deadline or that the company will blink first and back down.

Doesn't look like either of those things are going to happen, so now my umm 'friend' is thinking of bending the knee for the almighty paycheck.

Since my friend hasn't paid hardly any attention to all the vaccine noise, he's clueless on which one he should get. Any recommendations? J&J? Moderna? Others?

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The vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting Covid anymore so what is the point of a mandate? Vaccinated people are 100% giving omicron to other people. Again what is the point of the vaccination at this point if you are not considered high risk.

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Exactly, what's the point? When rational thought is thrown out the window as with this mandate it begs the question what is the real point of the mandate? It obviously isn't to prevent the spread, so what is it?

How do you know they spotted fakes? Did they tell you?

So people were harmed (jobs lost) directly linked to/from the medical document training you provided to HR? Are you certified in medical document training?

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BigRobSA said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Salute The Marines said:

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File5 said:

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Please remind me which law these vaccine requirements are enabled under

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The vaccines does not (my opinion, but 6th circuit disagrees). But fraudulent recreating federal forms and documents is.

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Vaccine cards are issued by local health officials, not Feds

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I think the issue of it being criminal is when they fake the CDC logo on it.

I lost my vax card, so I do not know if mine had a CDC logo on it

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The CDC has no legal powers. They're literally a bunch of constantly-wrong tards that are paid WAY too much.

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Never said they did.

But they are a federal agency and you can't fake their logo

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Unlike Salute, I think you are simply answering the question of what is being/could be used to prosecute these people, without opining on the prosecution itself, but I would like your interpretation/opinion on a couple of things.

Do you think that these mandates are valid? Do you think that someone taking action to subvert an unjust law should be prosecuted? If you personally thought the law/action was unjust, would you assist in prosecution of the offenders? At what point does that make you the unjust persecutor?

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I think a private business mandate is valid.
Not right, but valid.

I do not think the feds or the states should have any ability to force adults to get the vaccine to work, go to a concert, or go out to eat.

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Thanks for the reply, and I actually agree completely with that. However, I think stopping at that point really sidesteps this discussion. The best evidence that most (certainly not all) companies are issuing and enforcing these mandates solely due to the federal/state mandates can be seen by the very low level of enforcement of mandates by the businesses that you just listed (restaurants, event venues). Where not forced to do so, companies don't have strong convictions on the subject.

So, to that end I'll ask again, but remove the legal aspect of the last two questions that were left unanswered.

If you personally thought the action was unjust, would you assist in prosecution/persecution of the offenders? At what point does that make you the unjust persecutor?

Yep, enjoying the fact that people lost their jobs over a useless shot it pretty bad.

Okay, then you know HIPPA certification needs to be continually updated and on file with HR. Was your certification valid or expired? You also know because you are certified you would have been "knowingly" violating federal laws, which ups the fines. Did HR come to you, or did you volunteer your services?

I mean if it's fully FDA approved (NOT EUA) go for it. But, you can't find that available. So, don't do it OP.