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In the case of Chandler, I believe he has rejected the critical core of the faith by emphasizing worldly, divisive philosophy, instead of Christ. For him to state that he would favor one race over another in today's climate/culture, a black person over a white person, is no different than a preacher 70 years ago stating the same, but a white person over a black person, given the climate and culture then. It was wrong then. It's wrong now.

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And I'd probably agree with most of what you say here. But I wouldn't call him a charlatan or nonbeliever for saying such.

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Like it or not, Christianity is a big tent faith. Most religions aren't, and they require adherence to a specific political or cultural worldview. Jesus came for all people. That's what makes him unique. And I think we would do well to remember that when engaging with believers who may think differently than we do on issues like this.

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This is also why you see black churches, white churches, Korean churches, Hispanic churches, etc. People can worship Christ and not abandon their culture.

Chandler is going about this the wrong way. In the 2018 video, he makes fun of the way white people worship, which is awful, especially for a pastor. Would he dare make fun of black gospel music? He's pandering IMO. And the worst part is that everything else he says might be spot on but since he let CRT creep in, a ton of people are tuning him out, and rightfully so.

If Matt Chandler really believes that this a huge problem in his church, he should quit his lucrative job at TVC and go pastor a black church. He might have to get a day job but he needs to put his money where his mouth is. He's as guilty as anyone when it comes to the segregated church. It's also possible that he struggles with the sin of racism and is projecting that onto the congregants he disparages when he gives these lectures.

Hopefully you get a chance to watch the Baucham videos. His sermons about this stuff are spot-on and will move you to tears. Truly inspired.

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Below is the Chandler sermon everyone loves to hate on him for. It's only 30 minutes or so and after listening I think the whole "Anglo 8 vs Black 7" is taken waaay outta context.

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Never heard of this guy before this video. Wow. Just awful. Charlatan.

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The MLK50 thing was where I said 'enough' as I had tried to 'understand' Chandler and his followers and close friends pushing this SJW nonsense.

Chandler essentially endorsed the sin of partiality on the basis of race. This is unbiblical and is racist.

Chandler has also propagated and peddled the teachings, writings, sermon, and/or books by people like Eric Mason, Thabiti Anyabwile (birth name Ron Burns), Ta'Nahesi Coates, Beth Moore, Russell Moore, David Platt, and Dwight McKissic.

Chandler family has close ties to A&M and has for decades. So no surprise the visceral reaction from infrequent/first-time posters.

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Oh boy, known heretics like Russell Moore, David Platt, and Beth Moore. Ha. I've got a feeling they suddenly became heretics to you guys when they publicly opposed Trump, the messiah to many people on this board.

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Wrong. My concerns with Beth Moore go further back long before Trump ran for office. Chandler and Platt's junk had nothing to do with Trump - it was in relation to their adoption of CRT/SJW b.s. and endorsing much of the BLM agenda. But whatever.

And no.... real Christians do not consider Trump the messiah. You are absolutely ridiculous.

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Below is the Chandler sermon everyone loves to hate on him for. It's only 30 minutes or so and after listening I think the whole "Anglo 8 vs Black 7" is taken waaay outta context.

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Never heard of this guy before this video. Wow. Just awful. Charlatan.

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The MLK50 thing was where I said 'enough' as I had tried to 'understand' Chandler and his followers and close friends pushing this SJW nonsense.

Chandler essentially endorsed the sin of partiality on the basis of race. This is unbiblical and is racist.

Chandler has also propagated and peddled the teachings, writings, sermon, and/or books by people like Eric Mason, Thabiti Anyabwile (birth name Ron Burns), Ta'Nahesi Coates, Beth Moore, Russell Moore, David Platt, and Dwight McKissic.

Chandler family has close ties to A&M and has for decades. So no surprise the visceral reaction from infrequent/first-time posters.

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Oh boy, known heretics like Russell Moore, David Platt, and Beth Moore. Ha. I've got a feeling they suddenly became heretics to you guys when they publicly opposed Trump, the messiah to many people on this board.

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You couldn't be more wrong about me. I left a Beth Moore Bible study 8 years ago because I recognized her heresy after the first lesson. And David Platt has destroyed MBC with his CRT crap. Trump isn't my messiah, Jesus Christ is. And I don't care if people like you get upset over false teaching being called out. If you're a Christian, it's your obligation to do so as well.

Now, what did you think about the documentary? Where do you think the source of these false teachings lies? Do you think the seminaries are a problem? What did you think about the situation at First Baptist Naples? Do you see any similarities with them and MBC?

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False teaching is different than reputable theologically-conservative pastors seeing social justice as a priority to Jesus. The documentary has serious Loose Change vibes. I can just as easily say that the doc makers are the false prophets, parroting talking points of a small subculture of one political party.

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Only one party wholesale supports the murder of innocent children. Do the math.

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Chandler is going about this the wrong way. In the 2018 video, he makes fun of the way white people worship, which is awful, especially for a pastor. Would he dare make fun of black gospel music? He's pandering IMO. And the worst part is that everything else he says might be spot on but since he let CRT creep in, a ton of people are tuning him out, and rightfully so.

If Matt Chandler really believes that this a huge problem in his church, he should quit his lucrative job at TVC and go pastor a black church. He might have to get a day job but he needs to put his money where his mouth is. He's as guilty as anyone when it comes to the segregated church. It's also possible that he struggles with the sin of racism and is projecting that onto the congregants he disparages when he gives these lectures.

Hopefully you get a chance to watch the Baucham videos. His sermons about this stuff are spot-on and will move you to tears. Truly inspired.

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I appreciate your thoughtful response. Yes I do take issue with how he criticizes the way white people worship. But I also know it's most often in the spirit of self-deprecating humor instead of real criticism, so it doesn't bother me too much. To me, it's a disarming way of pointing out that how we white people "do church" isn't the only way.

I do love Voddie Baucham and I think he brings a great perspective to this discussion. In fact, I'd probably agree more with him on this than I do Matt.

My whole point is that we as Christians need to have more light and less heat when it comes to this discussion. I think a pastor like Matt should be able to advocate for racial justice without being called "woke" or a "charlatan". And I think we as believers should be able to thoughtfully listen to other perspectives on this without wholly placing someone like him in a political category.

Again, remember that in the history of the Church, the particular flavor of Christianity you and I follow is the minority... by far. We can hold certain opinions, but we must do so in a spirit of humility and understanding with other members of our faith.

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This statement :

"Like it or not, Christianity is a big tent faith"


Is not biblical. Christ said that he came not to unite, but to divide. He said narrow is the way that leads to life and few there be that find it. He said he was the only door to heaven. If you come in some other way, you are a fraud.

Christianity is not a big tent religion at all. Does God offer grace to all? Yes, but very few accept it. Why? Because narrow is the way, small is the tent.

Now, if you are talking non critical theology, for example whether drinking alcohol is a sin, then yeah.

In the case of Chandler, I believe he has rejected the critical core of the faith by emphasizing worldly, divisive philosophy, instead of Christ. For him to state that he would favor one race over another in today's climate/culture, a black person over a white person, is no different than a preacher 70 years ago stating the same, but a white person over a black person, given the climate and culture then. It was wrong then. It's wrong now.

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I do not believe God has set all the varied peoples of Earth here so he could condemn the vast majority to eternal damnation if they don't follow a narrow path and do the secret knock on the Jesus door. I assume you do not have much respect for Jews, Muslims and such? Be sure to let them and their children know you fully expect them to spend eternity in the fiery confines of hell.

I personally take a much broader view - and I fully recognize I could be wrong. But I fully expect to be walking side by side with Jews and Muslims as we all believe in the SAME God. I believe God, in his perfect plan, allowed for multiple faiths to emerge over time and that true believers in those faiths will spend their eternity with God. But those are my personal beliefs.

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I do not believe God has set all the varied peoples of Earth here so he could condemn the vast majority to eternal damnation if they don't follow a narrow path and do the secret knock on the Jesus door. I assume you do not have much respect for Jews, Muslims and such? Be sure to let them and their children know you fully expect them to spend eternity in the fiery confines of hell.

I personally take a much broader view - and I fully recognize I could be wrong. But I fully expect to be walking side by side with Jews and Muslims as we all believe in the SAME God. I believe God, in his perfect plan, allowed for multiple faiths to emerge over time and that true believers in those faiths will spend their eternity with God. But those are my personal beliefs.

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Matthew 7:13-14

13 "Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

This verse absolutely destroys your argument. What you are preaching is another Gospel --- Universalism.

Only faith in Christ and repentance of sins will save anyone. All who refuse to do so will go to Hell. The Bible is very clear on this. You either accept it or you don't.

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I do not believe God has set all the varied peoples of Earth here so he could condemn the vast majority to eternal damnation if they don't follow a narrow path and do the secret knock on the Jesus door. I assume you do not have much respect for Jews, Muslims and such? Be sure to let them and their children know you fully expect them to spend eternity in the fiery confines of hell.

I personally take a much broader view - and I fully recognize I could be wrong. But I fully expect to be walking side by side with Jews and Muslims as we all believe in the SAME God. I believe God, in his perfect plan, allowed for multiple faiths to emerge over time and that true believers in those faiths will spend their eternity with God. But those are my personal beliefs.

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Matthew 7:13-14

13 "Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

This verse absolutely destroys your argument. What you are preaching is another Gospel --- Universalism.

Only faith in Christ and repentance of sins will save anyone. All who refuse to do so will go to Hell. The Bible is very clear on this. You either accept it or you don't.

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We can play quote the Bible all day and night. I assume the below supports you position on slavery?

Ephesians 6:5-6 (New International Version)
5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.

How are you teaching the virtue of slaves obeying their earthly masters in your community? Am I to be a slave to your "teachings"? Are you spending your Saturday's with a megaphone in Downtown Chicago telling slaves to obey their masters with respect and fear?

Wat you preach is a hateful God and damnation of others who do not abide by your understanding of the Gospel. You seem like someone who must be young in age, spirit and wisdom.

I will advise that scoring points on others by condemning them to hell doesnt seem at all very Christ-like to me.

I find it a bit funny you refer to some other Gospel called Universalism. Sounds like a fancy quip from Dawson's Creek. You also need to understand what the Bible is and is not. It most certainly is a set of books, chosen by mortal men, to support their individual, denominated versions of Christianity through which they support their own Christian teachings. It is not, nor has ever been, the only written word of God.

Try and educate yourself before you quote me some daily devotional from your desk calendar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible

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I do not believe God has set all the varied peoples of Earth here so he could condemn the vast majority to eternal damnation if they don't follow a narrow path and do the secret knock on the Jesus door. I assume you do not have much respect for Jews, Muslims and such? Be sure to let them and their children know you fully expect them to spend eternity in the fiery confines of hell.

I personally take a much broader view - and I fully recognize I could be wrong. But I fully expect to be walking side by side with Jews and Muslims as we all believe in the SAME God. I believe God, in his perfect plan, allowed for multiple faiths to emerge over time and that true believers in those faiths will spend their eternity with God. But those are my personal beliefs.

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Matthew 7:13-14

13 "Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

This verse absolutely destroys your argument. What you are preaching is another Gospel --- Universalism.

Only faith in Christ and repentance of sins will save anyone. All who refuse to do so will go to Hell. The Bible is very clear on this. You either accept it or you don't.

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Wat you preach is a hateful God and damnation of others who do not abide by your understanding of the Gospel. You seem like someone who must be young in age, spirit and wisdom.

I will advise that scoring points on others by condemning them to hell doesnt seem at all very Christ-like to me.
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I can't speak for the R&P board, but as far as I can tell that's one of the key benefits of religion in the F16 context. Not only is the other side wrong, a deity confirms it and they'll burn in hellfire for not sharing your POV.

You have to admit it helps to have an omniscient being at your back that not only vindicates what you believe, but will also punish your foes for their temerity for eternity in the next life. That's not a hard sell.

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I do not believe God has set all the varied peoples of Earth here so he could condemn the vast majority to eternal damnation if they don't follow a narrow path and do the secret knock on the Jesus door. I assume you do not have much respect for Jews, Muslims and such? Be sure to let them and their children know you fully expect them to spend eternity in the fiery confines of hell.

I personally take a much broader view - and I fully recognize I could be wrong. But I fully expect to be walking side by side with Jews and Muslims as we all believe in the SAME God. I believe God, in his perfect plan, allowed for multiple faiths to emerge over time and that true believers in those faiths will spend their eternity with God. But those are my personal beliefs.

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Matthew 7:13-14

13 "Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

This verse absolutely destroys your argument. What you are preaching is another Gospel --- Universalism.

Only faith in Christ and repentance of sins will save anyone. All who refuse to do so will go to Hell. The Bible is very clear on this. You either accept it or you don't.

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We can play quote the Bible all day and night. I assume the below supports you position on slavery?

Ephesians 6:5-6 (New International Version)
5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.

How are you teaching the virtue of slaves obeying their earthly masters in your community? Am I to be a slave to your "teachings"? Are you spending your Saturday's with a megaphone in Downtown Chicago telling slaves to obey their masters with respect and fear?

Wat you preach is a hateful God and damnation of others who do not abide by your understanding of the Gospel. You seem like someone who must be young in age, spirit and wisdom.

I will advise that scoring points on others by condemning them to hell doesnt seem at all very Christ-like to me.

I find it a bit funny you refer to some other Gospel called Universalism. Sounds like a fancy quip from Dawson's Creek. You also need to understand what the Bible is and is not. It most certainly is a set of books, chosen by mortal men, to support their individual, denominated versions of Christianity through which they support their own Christian teachings. It is not, nor has ever been, the only written word of God.

Try and educate yourself before you quote me some daily devotional from your desk calendar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible

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There is no "position" on slavery in that scripture. Perhaps you should be more careful and precise about your interpretation of words before using them to try to make a point.

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This statement :

"Like it or not, Christianity is a big tent faith"


Is not biblical. Christ said that he came not to unite, but to divide. He said narrow is the way that leads to life and few there be that find it. He said he was the only door to heaven. If you come in some other way, you are a fraud.

Christianity is not a big tent religion at all. Does God offer grace to all? Yes, but very few accept it. Why? Because narrow is the way, small is the tent.

Now, if you are talking non critical theology, for example whether drinking alcohol is a sin, then yeah.

In the case of Chandler, I believe he has rejected the critical core of the faith by emphasizing worldly, divisive philosophy, instead of Christ. For him to state that he would favor one race over another in today's climate/culture, a black person over a white person, is no different than a preacher 70 years ago stating the same, but a white person over a black person, given the climate and culture then. It was wrong then. It's wrong now.

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I do not believe God has set all the varied peoples of Earth here so he could condemn the vast majority to eternal damnation if they don't follow a narrow path and do the secret knock on the Jesus door. I assume you do not have much respect for Jews, Muslims and such? Be sure to let them and their children know you fully expect them to spend eternity in the fiery confines of hell.

I personally take a much broader view - and I fully recognize I could be wrong. But I fully expect to be walking side by side with Jews and Muslims as we all believe in the SAME God. I believe God, in his perfect plan, allowed for multiple faiths to emerge over time and that true believers in those faiths will spend their eternity with God. But those are my personal beliefs.

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There is nothing in scripture that supports your beliefs, but you are certainly free to hold them.

Jesus plainly stated that he is the son of God. That is why he was crucified by the Jews. He, Paul, Peter and others clearly state that to be saved, one must acknowledge that claim. Muslims and Jews do not believe that Jesus is himself God.

I watched the trailer. It's hilarious.

Is it a parody or a Klan video?

I think I'll fork over the $12.99 to find out. For Jesus.

A reminder - Christian Pastors who should have known better excused their members in supporting Joe Biden for President. A special thanks goes to Matt Chandler, David Platt, Dwight McKissic and other wokesters for the absolute mess, on every front, we find our nation in.

Matt Chandler - you in particular, ought to be ashamed.

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I think he misses the mark in this talk. Maybe I'm overly sensitive but I find talks like this a bit insulting. Or is that my white fragility?

Nonetheless, I still think Chandler is a godly man who desires to see racial unity in his church. I respect his courage to take this subject on and I think it's extremely difficult to have these talks without making some upset.

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This. I disagree with Matt a lot in that sermon and feel like he threw his congregation under the bus a bit much but I get what he was trying to say. He was just bending over backwards a bit much. Hence perhaps the doublespeak.

I yearn for racial reconciliation in a Biblical manner. it's a hard conversation to do it in a way that addresses real grievances without blaming people who or may or may not have had anything to with those grievances in a way that doesn't hurt feelings (I am not saying that it should be inoffensive, but he made some false equivalencies there) It's a very fine line to walk and Matt failed in that speech.

I lost some respect for him in that but I still love him as a brother in Christ. I still value his ministry. He's a very important figure in my growth as I went to numerous camps and Super Summers with him as a speaker in HS.

Heck, I really dislike what Russell Moore has done in the SBC, but he's still my brother in Christ who has done great things in ministry, especially adoption.

Mark Driscoll did a lot of good things in Seattle but we still have to call out where he failed as a pastor and leader.

I can disagree with some points in a sermon without calling him a heretic.

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I didn't mean for this to turn into a debate over Matt Chandler, but I've literally heard hundreds of hours of his teaching and have never thought of him to have any higher philosophical allegiance than to the Bible.

I think if you view ideology over theology, then you need to do some pretty serious self-reflection.

Here is a 4 minute clip where he pretty clearly states his opinion on socialism, Marxism, capitalism, CRT, etc. It's hard to find much to criticize. My point is just because some large church pastors range from too political to heretical doesn't mean they all are. Matt's one of the very good ones.

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Crap my sister goes to his church. Systemic injustice huh.

Also i never saw this thread back in December. I'm stunned that i somehow missed it. I had no idea that the SBC had lost its way so bad. That it or one of its funds took money from Soros folks. This is painful. I visited a church in austin and last summer it tried to push the CRT agenda to its congregants. My wife left in the middle of the sermon. I left a few minutes later and told one of the ushers why we were leaving. It isn't the gospel. It's divisive hate disguised as a better love or gospel.

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I didn't mean for this to turn into a debate over Matt Chandler, but I've literally heard hundreds of hours of his teaching and have never thought of him to have any higher philosophical allegiance than to the Bible.

I think if you view ideology over theology, then you need to do some pretty serious self-reflection.

Here is a 4 minute clip where he pretty clearly states his opinion on socialism, Marxism, capitalism, CRT, etc. It's hard to find much to criticize. My point is just because some large church pastors range from too political to heretical doesn't mean they all are. Matt's one of the very good ones.

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Crap my sister goes to his church. Systemic injustice huh.

Also i never saw this thread back in December. I'm stunned that i somehow missed it. I had no idea that the SBC had lost its way so bad. That it or one of its funds took money from Soros folks. This is painful. I visited a church in austin and last summer it tried to push the CRT agenda to its congregants. My wife left in the middle of the sermon. I left a few minutes later and told one of the ushers why we were leaving. It isn't the gospel. It's divisive hate disguised as a better love or gospel.

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What Austin church was this? My wife's best friend took her to Shoreline once and she fell in love with that populist cult of a place. Robert was always trying to sell something, people were up buying food/drinks during the sermon, people had ballcaps on, people on the phone, Robert always talking about some black issues, etc. Heck, one Sunday, he joked that he wished he was born black. I asked to meet with "Brother" Koke and was told he was too busy to meet with anyone.

There was about a years time when my wife and I went to two different churches, but I finally convinced her that Shoreline was all about money and pandering.

Catholics for the win, at least in this aspect. We have sound doctrine that is hard to change at all. And yes, Catholics are Christian.

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A reminder - Christian Pastors who should have known better excused their members in supporting Joe Biden for President. A special thanks goes to Matt Chandler, David Platt, Dwight McKissic and other wokesters for the absolute mess, on every front, we find our nation in.

Matt Chandler - you in particular, ought to be ashamed.

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Serious question. Do you really think God will ask you to justify who you voted for? I think he's much more likely to ask you what you did to help his children, and I don't think saying you voted for the right political candidate is going to cut it.

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A reminder - Christian Pastors who should have known better excused their members in supporting Joe Biden for President. A special thanks goes to Matt Chandler, David Platt, Dwight McKissic and other wokesters for the absolute mess, on every front, we find our nation in.

Matt Chandler - you in particular, ought to be ashamed.

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Serious question. Do you really think God will ask you to justify who you voted for? I think he's much more likely to ask you what you did to help his children, and I don't think saying you voted for the right political candidate is going to cut it.

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I have just as much a problem with Falwell or the FBC Dallas guy telling you to vote for Trump as I do with Russell Moore or Tabhiti telling you or "excusing you" to vote for Biden.

I'll tell you to vote for one dude and that's my state rep who I've met and goes to my church. That's as far as I'm willing to vouch for any believer in a political positions. I have strong opinions about politics, but my endorsements are reserved for people I know are walking with Christ.

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A reminder - Christian Pastors who should have known better excused their members in supporting Joe Biden for President. A special thanks goes to Matt Chandler, David Platt, Dwight McKissic and other wokesters for the absolute mess, on every front, we find our nation in.

Matt Chandler - you in particular, ought to be ashamed.

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Serious question. Do you really think God will ask you to justify who you voted for? I think he's much more likely to ask you what you did to help his children, and I don't think saying you voted for the right political candidate is going to cut it.

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When you knowingly vote for evil, I believe there are repercussions to that. Example: Voting for some politician who want kills God's unborn children.

What if I vote for pro-choice politicians (I don't) or vote third party for other reasons, but I donate to crisis pregnancy centers with my money and/or time? Do you think God is going to judge my actions helping women facing an unplanned pregnancy as more substantial than who I vote for? I think he is.

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A reminder - Christian Pastors who should have known better excused their members in supporting Joe Biden for President. A special thanks goes to Matt Chandler, David Platt, Dwight McKissic and other wokesters for the absolute mess, on every front, we find our nation in.

Matt Chandler - you in particular, ought to be ashamed.

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Serious question. Do you really think God will ask you to justify who you voted for? I think he's much more likely to ask you what you did to help his children, and I don't think saying you voted for the right political candidate is going to cut it.

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If you knowingly vote for a party and it's candidates who keep infanticide legal, then yes, you are sinning and will be held accountable if you don't repent. Additionally, you also WILL be asked what you did to help his children...... which includes helping them not be murdered.

Get this woke nonsense out of the church.

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What if I vote for pro-choice politicians (I don't) or vote third party for other reasons, but I donate to crisis pregnancy centers with my money and/or time? Do you think God is going to judge my actions helping women facing an unplanned pregnancy as more substantial than who I vote for? I think he is.

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You are called to responsible citizenship. Ask yourself if voting for pro-infanticide candidates is acceptable to God and if it is being a responsible citizen of the kingdom.......

Not having read the entirety of this thread, I will say that one of Matt Chandler's biggest mistakes in the past decade is platforming and promoting Eric Mason.

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A reminder - Christian Pastors who should have known better excused their members in supporting Joe Biden for President. A special thanks goes to Matt Chandler, David Platt, Dwight McKissic and other wokesters for the absolute mess, on every front, we find our nation in.

Matt Chandler - you in particular, ought to be ashamed.

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Serious question. Do you really think God will ask you to justify who you voted for? I think he's much more likely to ask you what you did to help his children, and I don't think saying you voted for the right political candidate is going to cut it.

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If you knowingly vote for a party and it's candidates who keep infanticide legal, then yes, you are sinning and will be held accountable if you don't repent. Additionally, you also WILL be asked what you did to help his children...... which includes helping them not be murdered.

Get this woke nonsense out of the church.

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Spoiler alert…we are all held accountable for our sins and will be judged in the end. I'd hate for someone who didn't participate in his faith in this life, stand before God and say, "well, I did vote prolife, so I'm good, right?"

I didn't want to start a new thread on this, although it definitely deserves one if someone wants it; however, it 100% falls within the "enemies of the church" realm.

Robert Morris, the popular pastor of the massive Gateway Church in Southlake, is in a world of hot water after it came to light that he sexually assaulted a 12-year-old girl.

Did Gateway Church hide the truth of Robert Morris' actions?
Robert Morris' sexual assault victim speaks out

This woman is a founder and pastor of a Weatherford church. She excuses Robert Morris in a public fb post. Calls his crime a “mistake” and blames the devil for mens actions because “ some young girls at 12 are “sexy” #wefoundthegroomers pic.twitter.com/1aVHmKNIaI

— Adrienne Quinn Martin (@MrsAMartini) June 18, 2024

It is perhaps telling that even in this person’s own retelling of their own “moral failures” they say “sexual misbehavior with a young lady” and not “I sexually assaulted a 12 year old” https://t.co/E2SWfDx9uH

— Jane Coaston 🏔️ (@janecoaston) June 18, 2024

Robert Morris of Gateway Church has resigned.

I pray he goes to jail. pic.twitter.com/pPCVyU4Mf6

— Chris Rosebrough (@piratechristian) June 18, 2024

I do not want to defend the elders here, but it seems like they took Morris at face value when he originally admitted the issue, although I imagine just basic digging would have uncovered the true nature of the crime. Also, pedophiles rarely just have one victim. I imagine we'll see more women come forward in the coming days.