When did I say it was your problem?
I have a copay for my insulin just like any other medicine. It's between my insurance company and myself, just like it has been for 30 years. So what's your point?

slaughtr said:

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As a physician and an insulin dependent diabetic that has taken insulin for 30 plus years, I can say there is so much stupidity on this thread it makes the mind boggle. From who takes insulin, how the price is set, the over the counter price to the comments about weight loss, it's clear people who don't know what they are talking about are always the first to speak.

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Thank you for saying this.

FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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So much misinformation.

• The Trump administration, via executive order, put a $35 cap on copays for insulin FOR SOME Medicare and Medicare Advantage plans but did not lower the cost of insulin or EpiPens for most Americans who use them.
• When Biden took office, his administration suspended all executive orders for 60 days that had not gone into effect - common behavior for an incoming administration.
• H.R. 5376, also known as the Build Back Better bill, includes Trump's idea but goes much further with proposals aimed at reducing the cost of prescription drugs in pubic and private plan.

HTHs

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This is completely false. The cash price for insulin was $33/vial after trump took action. This was down from $363/vial before the action.

Cash meaning you hand the pharmacist your credit card. no insurance involved.

There is a LOT of insulin stupidity on this thread.

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Very interesting anecdote, and that an EO only directed at the 340B Prescription Drug Program, and a small subset of people that utilizes that program, based on financial need, also influenced the cash market price.

Because this thread is about what Biden is doing which now includes private insurance which is just more big government bs. I am glad it's between you and your insurance company. This is designed to change that all in the name of feelings.

Jmiller said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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So much misinformation.

• The Trump administration, via executive order, put a $35 cap on copays for insulin FOR SOME Medicare and Medicare Advantage plans but did not lower the cost of insulin or EpiPens for most Americans who use them.
• When Biden took office, his administration suspended all executive orders for 60 days that had not gone into effect - common behavior for an incoming administration.
• H.R. 5376, also known as the Build Back Better bill, includes Trump's idea but goes much further with proposals aimed at reducing the cost of prescription drugs in pubic and private plan.

HTHs

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This is completely false. The cash price for insulin was $33/vial after trump took action. This was down from $363/vial before the action.

Cash meaning you hand the pharmacist your credit card. no insurance involved.

There is a LOT of insulin stupidity on this thread.

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Very interesting anecdote, and that an EO only directed at the 340B Prescription Drug Program, and a small subset of people that utilizes that program, based on financial need, also influenced the cash market price.

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That is not an anecdote. That is a fact, for which thousands of T1D's can show you the receipts.

But if your point is that Trump, through his influence, lowered the price of insulin to EVERYONE, then I am happy that you are adult enough to stand here corrected.

I said there was a lot of stupidity on this thread. Specifically "From who takes insulin, how the price is set, the over the counter price to the comments about weight loss". But thanks for immediately assuming I was on my way over to your house to demand money from you for my next fix. Kinda proved my point.

Ok. Sorry I misrepresented you. My mistake. Carry on.


To those that do want big daddy government to take care of your insulin it isn't our problem and we shouldn't be forcing private insurance companies to do anything.

backintexas2013 said:

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Ok. Sorry I misrepresented you. My mistake. Carry on.


To those that do want big daddy government to take care of your insulin it isn't our problem and we shouldn't be forcing private insurance companies to do anything.

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But we have.

The ACA jammed so much into insurance requirements that the premium markets have been wildly distorted. This both 1) exposed insureds to higher deductibles and therefore higher average costs for medication, and 2) drove many insureds completely out of the market, making them cash payers.

So, for a life sustaining drug like insulin, for which the US govt also provides VERY handsome patent protection, yes, we SHOULD be forcing them to keep their prices accessible to all.

The govt created this pricing environment, so they must do their part to keep drugs like insulin accessible.

FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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So much misinformation.

• The Trump administration, via executive order, put a $35 cap on copays for insulin FOR SOME Medicare and Medicare Advantage plans but did not lower the cost of insulin or EpiPens for most Americans who use them.
• When Biden took office, his administration suspended all executive orders for 60 days that had not gone into effect - common behavior for an incoming administration.
• H.R. 5376, also known as the Build Back Better bill, includes Trump's idea but goes much further with proposals aimed at reducing the cost of prescription drugs in pubic and private plan.

HTHs

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This is completely false. The cash price for insulin was $33/vial after trump took action. This was down from $363/vial before the action.

Cash meaning you hand the pharmacist your credit card. no insurance involved.

There is a LOT of insulin stupidity on this thread.

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Very interesting anecdote, and that an EO only directed at the 340B Prescription Drug Program, and a small subset of people that utilizes that program, based on financial need, also influenced the cash market price.

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That is not an anecdote. That is a fact, for which thousands of T1D's can show you the receipts.

But if your point is that Trump, through his influence, lowered the price of insulin to EVERYONE, then I am happy that you are adult enough to stand here corrected.

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Considering 1) the Trump's EO had not been implemented and 2) Biden later rescinded the order, I have doubts that there is causation.

In 30 years as a Type I diabetic, I've lived in 4 states and had multiple jobs, changing insurance many times. I've never had an issue having my insulin covered and only once during that time did I have to pay more than a $50 copay. That one time was an abrupt change to our medical coverage and the Federal laws at the time required the pharmacy benefit to be included in your deductible (As I remember, it was Ted Kennedy that was responsible for that rule, he hated HSA's). So that month, my insulin cost me over $1,000, which got me past my deductible. Insulin, in my experience is no different than any other medicine. My insurance has a pharmacy benefit, which I pay a monthly fee for. I do agree with the regulations regarding preexisting conditions. It helps us all out. Now people that don't have insurance I can't speak for. I've never been uninsured in my adult life.

Jmiller said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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So much misinformation.

• The Trump administration, via executive order, put a $35 cap on copays for insulin FOR SOME Medicare and Medicare Advantage plans but did not lower the cost of insulin or EpiPens for most Americans who use them.
• When Biden took office, his administration suspended all executive orders for 60 days that had not gone into effect - common behavior for an incoming administration.
• H.R. 5376, also known as the Build Back Better bill, includes Trump's idea but goes much further with proposals aimed at reducing the cost of prescription drugs in pubic and private plan.

HTHs

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This is completely false. The cash price for insulin was $33/vial after trump took action. This was down from $363/vial before the action.

Cash meaning you hand the pharmacist your credit card. no insurance involved.

There is a LOT of insulin stupidity on this thread.

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Very interesting anecdote, and that an EO only directed at the 340B Prescription Drug Program, and a small subset of people that utilizes that program, based on financial need, also influenced the cash market price.

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That is not an anecdote. That is a fact, for which thousands of T1D's can show you the receipts.

But if your point is that Trump, through his influence, lowered the price of insulin to EVERYONE, then I am happy that you are adult enough to stand here corrected.

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Considering 1) the Trump's EO had not been implemented and 2) Biden later rescinded the order, I have doubts that there is causation.

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President Trump specifically addressed insulin pricing with the manufacturers, and prices were subsequently reduced over tenfold.

It is clear you just don't follow / haven't followed this. That's understandable, you clearly don't have to worry about it day to day, which is fine. But any T1D knows exactly what happened to insulin prices and why, for obvious reasons.

That, or you are being intentionally obtuse.

slaughtr said:

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In 30 years as a Type I diabetic, I've lived in 4 states and had multiple jobs, changing insurance many times. I've never had an issue having my insulin covered and only once during that time did I have to pay more than a $50 copay. That one time was an abrupt change to our medical coverage and the Federal laws at the time required the pharmacy benefit to be included in your deductible (As I remember, it was Ted Kennedy that was responsible for that rule). So that month, my insulin cost me over $1,000, which got me past my deductible. Insulin, in my experience is no different than any other medicine. My insurance has a pharmacy benefit, which I pay a monthly fee for. I do agree with the regulations regarding preexisting conditions. It helps us all out. Now people that don't have insurance I can't speak for. I've never been uninsured in my adult life.

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I can.

In the United States, the cash price for insulin had gone from $175/vial in ~2014 to $363/vial in ~early 2018. It was at that time that Trump pressured the manufacturers to reduce their prices to what they charge in other (regulated) countries. In a matter of 90 days, each manufacturer lowered their price to 3 vials for $100, representing a one month supply for most T1D.

That price is comparable to the price for insulin in Canada.

So, a cash payer saw their costs for insulin decrease $1,000 per month. This allowed many to afford the drug they needed to stay alive, and the ancillary equipment that goes along with insulin delivery and glucose monitoring.

FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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So much misinformation.

• The Trump administration, via executive order, put a $35 cap on copays for insulin FOR SOME Medicare and Medicare Advantage plans but did not lower the cost of insulin or EpiPens for most Americans who use them.
• When Biden took office, his administration suspended all executive orders for 60 days that had not gone into effect - common behavior for an incoming administration.
• H.R. 5376, also known as the Build Back Better bill, includes Trump's idea but goes much further with proposals aimed at reducing the cost of prescription drugs in pubic and private plan.

HTHs

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This is completely false. The cash price for insulin was $33/vial after trump took action. This was down from $363/vial before the action.

Cash meaning you hand the pharmacist your credit card. no insurance involved.

There is a LOT of insulin stupidity on this thread.

---

Very interesting anecdote, and that an EO only directed at the 340B Prescription Drug Program, and a small subset of people that utilizes that program, based on financial need, also influenced the cash market price.

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That is not an anecdote. That is a fact, for which thousands of T1D's can show you the receipts.

But if your point is that Trump, through his influence, lowered the price of insulin to EVERYONE, then I am happy that you are adult enough to stand here corrected.

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Considering 1) the Trump's EO had not been implemented and 2) Biden later rescinded the order, I have doubts that there is causation.

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President Trump specifically addressed insulin pricing with the manufacturers, and prices were subsequently reduced over tenfold.

It is clear you just don't follow / haven't followed this. That's understandable, you clearly don't have to worry about it day to day, which is fine. But any T1D knows exactly what happened to insulin prices and why, for obvious reasons.

That, or you are being intentionally obtuse.

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So you are not referring to the EO we were discussing. Okay. That was the topic.

I don't track the price of insulin myself, but nothing I've come across supports your anecdote, including insulin price tracking that I've seen, such as this.

The thing that has always struck me was the cost of glucose test strips and the lack of insurance coverage for them over the years. It seemed odd, because paying for test strips would certainly keep me out of the emergency room, saving insurers thousands of dollars. But so many of my insurers were stingy about it. Constant battle. Now I have a continuous blood glucose monitor (Dexcom). Changed my life

Jmiller said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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So much misinformation.

• The Trump administration, via executive order, put a $35 cap on copays for insulin FOR SOME Medicare and Medicare Advantage plans but did not lower the cost of insulin or EpiPens for most Americans who use them.
• When Biden took office, his administration suspended all executive orders for 60 days that had not gone into effect - common behavior for an incoming administration.
• H.R. 5376, also known as the Build Back Better bill, includes Trump's idea but goes much further with proposals aimed at reducing the cost of prescription drugs in pubic and private plan.

HTHs

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This is completely false. The cash price for insulin was $33/vial after trump took action. This was down from $363/vial before the action.

Cash meaning you hand the pharmacist your credit card. no insurance involved.

There is a LOT of insulin stupidity on this thread.

---

Very interesting anecdote, and that an EO only directed at the 340B Prescription Drug Program, and a small subset of people that utilizes that program, based on financial need, also influenced the cash market price.

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That is not an anecdote. That is a fact, for which thousands of T1D's can show you the receipts.

But if your point is that Trump, through his influence, lowered the price of insulin to EVERYONE, then I am happy that you are adult enough to stand here corrected.

---

Considering 1) the Trump's EO had not been implemented and 2) Biden later rescinded the order, I have doubts that there is causation.

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President Trump specifically addressed insulin pricing with the manufacturers, and prices were subsequently reduced over tenfold.

It is clear you just don't follow / haven't followed this. That's understandable, you clearly don't have to worry about it day to day, which is fine. But any T1D knows exactly what happened to insulin prices and why, for obvious reasons.

That, or you are being intentionally obtuse.

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So you are not referring to the EO we were discussing. Okay. That was the topic.

I don't track the price of insulin myself, but nothing I've come across supports your anecdote, including insulin price tracking that I've seen, such as this.

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So you are being intentionaly obtuse.

Not only did you confidently describe the price direction on insulin (incorrectly) you signed off with a "hope this helps", like you know what the **** you are talking about.

Now you "don't track the price".

I would be happy to run down to my corner pharmacy any buy insulin RIGHT NOW and post the receipt if you would like further clarity on how wildly wrong you have been on this matter.

hedge said:

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Quit eating sugar and bread

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There are two types of diabetes. One of them has nothing to do with lifestyle.

Jmiller said:

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So much misinformation.

• The Trump administration, via executive order, put a $35 cap on copays for insulin FOR SOME Medicare and Medicare Advantage plans but did not lower the cost of insulin or EpiPens for most Americans who use them.
• When Biden took office, his administration suspended all executive orders for 60 days that had not gone into effect - common behavior for an incoming administration.
• H.R. 5376, also known as the Build Back Better bill, includes Trump's idea but goes much further with proposals aimed at reducing the cost of prescription drugs in pubic and private plan.

HTHs

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Ignorant and wrong again. You never disappoint.

slaughtr said:

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The thing that has always struck me was the cost of glucose test strips and the lack of insurance coverage for them over the years. It seemed odd, because paying for test strips would certainly keep me out of the emergency room, saving insurers thousands of dollars. But so many of my insurers were stingy about it. Constant battle. Now I have a continuous blood glucose monitor (Dexcom). Changed my life

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As I'm sure you are aware, but others may not be, the insurance companies were getting fleeced by so-called pre-diabetics making claims for test strips and then reselling them on the secondary market.

I completely agree with what you say, and think this is a great example of the ACA and other rules distorting markets and creating unintended consequences.

I know a guy who was out of strips (couldn't afford a refill for a week) who ended up in DKA and in the hospital for 8 days. Obviously a pennywise, pound foolish policy by his insurance co, but here we are.

FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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So much misinformation.

• The Trump administration, via executive order, put a $35 cap on copays for insulin FOR SOME Medicare and Medicare Advantage plans but did not lower the cost of insulin or EpiPens for most Americans who use them.
• When Biden took office, his administration suspended all executive orders for 60 days that had not gone into effect - common behavior for an incoming administration.
• H.R. 5376, also known as the Build Back Better bill, includes Trump's idea but goes much further with proposals aimed at reducing the cost of prescription drugs in pubic and private plan.

HTHs

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This is completely false. The cash price for insulin was $33/vial after trump took action. This was down from $363/vial before the action.

Cash meaning you hand the pharmacist your credit card. no insurance involved.

There is a LOT of insulin stupidity on this thread.

---

Very interesting anecdote, and that an EO only directed at the 340B Prescription Drug Program, and a small subset of people that utilizes that program, based on financial need, also influenced the cash market price.

---

That is not an anecdote. That is a fact, for which thousands of T1D's can show you the receipts.

But if your point is that Trump, through his influence, lowered the price of insulin to EVERYONE, then I am happy that you are adult enough to stand here corrected.

---

Considering 1) the Trump's EO had not been implemented and 2) Biden later rescinded the order, I have doubts that there is causation.

---

President Trump specifically addressed insulin pricing with the manufacturers, and prices were subsequently reduced over tenfold.

It is clear you just don't follow / haven't followed this. That's understandable, you clearly don't have to worry about it day to day, which is fine. But any T1D knows exactly what happened to insulin prices and why, for obvious reasons.

That, or you are being intentionally obtuse.

---

So you are not referring to the EO we were discussing. Okay. That was the topic.

I don't track the price of insulin myself, but nothing I've come across supports your anecdote, including insulin price tracking that I've seen, such as this.

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So you are being intentionaly obtuse.

Not only did you confidently describe the price direction on insulin (incorrectly) you signed off with a "hope this helps", like you know what the **** you are talking about.

Now you "don't track the price".

I would be happy to run down to my corner pharmacy any buy insulin RIGHT NOW and post the receipt if you would like further clarity on how wildly wrong you have been on this matter.

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Sir, you are one being intentionally obtuse.

You derailed a discussion with your own, personal anecdote on the cash price you pay for insulin at your local pharmacy. That was not the discussion.

I don't care what you do, but I'm not going to believe the word of a rando internet poster. Provide better sources with links. HTHs.

annie88 said:

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Jmiller said:

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So much misinformation.

• The Trump administration, via executive order, put a $35 cap on copays for insulin FOR SOME Medicare and Medicare Advantage plans but did not lower the cost of insulin or EpiPens for most Americans who use them.
• When Biden took office, his administration suspended all executive orders for 60 days that had not gone into effect - common behavior for an incoming administration.
• H.R. 5376, also known as the Build Back Better bill, includes Trump's idea but goes much further with proposals aimed at reducing the cost of prescription drugs in pubic and private plan.

HTHs

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Ignorant and wrong again. You never disappoint.

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A retort with no logical argument to support it. You never disappoint.

Jmiller said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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So much misinformation.

• The Trump administration, via executive order, put a $35 cap on copays for insulin FOR SOME Medicare and Medicare Advantage plans but did not lower the cost of insulin or EpiPens for most Americans who use them.
• When Biden took office, his administration suspended all executive orders for 60 days that had not gone into effect - common behavior for an incoming administration.
• H.R. 5376, also known as the Build Back Better bill, includes Trump's idea but goes much further with proposals aimed at reducing the cost of prescription drugs in pubic and private plan.

HTHs

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This is completely false. The cash price for insulin was $33/vial after trump took action. This was down from $363/vial before the action.

Cash meaning you hand the pharmacist your credit card. no insurance involved.

There is a LOT of insulin stupidity on this thread.

---

Very interesting anecdote, and that an EO only directed at the 340B Prescription Drug Program, and a small subset of people that utilizes that program, based on financial need, also influenced the cash market price.

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That is not an anecdote. That is a fact, for which thousands of T1D's can show you the receipts.

But if your point is that Trump, through his influence, lowered the price of insulin to EVERYONE, then I am happy that you are adult enough to stand here corrected.

---

Considering 1) the Trump's EO had not been implemented and 2) Biden later rescinded the order, I have doubts that there is causation.

---

President Trump specifically addressed insulin pricing with the manufacturers, and prices were subsequently reduced over tenfold.

It is clear you just don't follow / haven't followed this. That's understandable, you clearly don't have to worry about it day to day, which is fine. But any T1D knows exactly what happened to insulin prices and why, for obvious reasons.

That, or you are being intentionally obtuse.

---

So you are not referring to the EO we were discussing. Okay. That was the topic.

I don't track the price of insulin myself, but nothing I've come across supports your anecdote, including insulin price tracking that I've seen, such as this.

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So you are being intentionaly obtuse.

Not only did you confidently describe the price direction on insulin (incorrectly) you signed off with a "hope this helps", like you know what the **** you are talking about.

Now you "don't track the price".

I would be happy to run down to my corner pharmacy any buy insulin RIGHT NOW and post the receipt if you would like further clarity on how wildly wrong you have been on this matter.

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Sir, you are one being intentionally obtuse.

You derailed a discussion with your own, personal anecdote on the cash price you pay for insulin at your local pharmacy. That was not the discussion.

I don't care what you do, but I'm not going to believe the word of a rando internet poster. Provide better sources with links. HTHs.

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Then we will let the politics board decide:

1) Go buy insulin and post a receipt.

2) Leave this argument alone.

Jmiller said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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Jmiller said:

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So much misinformation.

• The Trump administration, via executive order, put a $35 cap on copays for insulin FOR SOME Medicare and Medicare Advantage plans but did not lower the cost of insulin or EpiPens for most Americans who use them.
• When Biden took office, his administration suspended all executive orders for 60 days that had not gone into effect - common behavior for an incoming administration.
• H.R. 5376, also known as the Build Back Better bill, includes Trump's idea but goes much further with proposals aimed at reducing the cost of prescription drugs in pubic and private plan.

HTHs

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This is completely false. The cash price for insulin was $33/vial after trump took action. This was down from $363/vial before the action.

Cash meaning you hand the pharmacist your credit card. no insurance involved.

There is a LOT of insulin stupidity on this thread.

---

Very interesting anecdote, and that an EO only directed at the 340B Prescription Drug Program, and a small subset of people that utilizes that program, based on financial need, also influenced the cash market price.

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That is not an anecdote. That is a fact, for which thousands of T1D's can show you the receipts.

But if your point is that Trump, through his influence, lowered the price of insulin to EVERYONE, then I am happy that you are adult enough to stand here corrected.

---

Considering 1) the Trump's EO had not been implemented and 2) Biden later rescinded the order, I have doubts that there is causation.

---

President Trump specifically addressed insulin pricing with the manufacturers, and prices were subsequently reduced over tenfold.

It is clear you just don't follow / haven't followed this. That's understandable, you clearly don't have to worry about it day to day, which is fine. But any T1D knows exactly what happened to insulin prices and why, for obvious reasons.

That, or you are being intentionally obtuse.

---

So you are not referring to the EO we were discussing. Okay. That was the topic.

I don't track the price of insulin myself, but nothing I've come across supports your anecdote, including insulin price tracking that I've seen, such as this.

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So you are being intentionaly obtuse.

Not only did you confidently describe the price direction on insulin (incorrectly) you signed off with a "hope this helps", like you know what the **** you are talking about.

Now you "don't track the price".

I would be happy to run down to my corner pharmacy any buy insulin RIGHT NOW and post the receipt if you would like further clarity on how wildly wrong you have been on this matter.

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Sir, you are one being intentionally obtuse.

You derailed a discussion with your own, personal anecdote on the cash price you pay for insulin at your local pharmacy. That was not the discussion.

I don't care what you do, but I'm not going to believe the word of a rando internet poster. Provide better sources with links. HTHs.

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I love when jmiller gets donkey punched and then starts deflecting.

Jmiller said:

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annie88 said:

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Jmiller said:

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So much misinformation.

• The Trump administration, via executive order, put a $35 cap on copays for insulin FOR SOME Medicare and Medicare Advantage plans but did not lower the cost of insulin or EpiPens for most Americans who use them.
• When Biden took office, his administration suspended all executive orders for 60 days that had not gone into effect - common behavior for an incoming administration.
• H.R. 5376, also known as the Build Back Better bill, includes Trump's idea but goes much further with proposals aimed at reducing the cost of prescription drugs in pubic and private plan.

HTHs

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Ignorant and wrong again. You never disappoint.

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A retort with no logical argument to support it. You never disappoint.

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It's already been pointed out on here I didn't think you needed to hear it twice.

At least you are consistent in your disinformation.

annie88 said:

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Jmiller said:

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annie88 said:

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Jmiller said:

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So much misinformation.

• The Trump administration, via executive order, put a $35 cap on copays for insulin FOR SOME Medicare and Medicare Advantage plans but did not lower the cost of insulin or EpiPens for most Americans who use them.
• When Biden took office, his administration suspended all executive orders for 60 days that had not gone into effect - common behavior for an incoming administration.
• H.R. 5376, also known as the Build Back Better bill, includes Trump's idea but goes much further with proposals aimed at reducing the cost of prescription drugs in pubic and private plan.

HTHs

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Ignorant and wrong again. You never disappoint.

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A retort with no logical argument to support it. You never disappoint.

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It's already been pointed out on here I didn't think you needed to hear it twice.

At least you are consistent in your disinformation.

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Please do, because I fail to see how the cash price an internet rando pays at his local pharmacy disputes the following facts:

• The Trump administration, via executive order, put a $35 cap on copays for insulin FOR SOME Medicare and Medicare Advantage plans but did not lower the cost of insulin or EpiPens for most Americans who use them.
• When Biden took office, his administration suspended all executive orders for 60 days that had not gone into effect - common behavior for an incoming administration.
• H.R. 5376, also known as the Build Back Better bill, includes Trump's idea but goes much further with proposals aimed at reducing the cost of prescription drugs in pubic and private plan.

I'm listening.

FratboyLegend said:

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1) Go buy insulin and post a receipt.

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You should probably specify what insulin. Walmart sells their house brand R for $20/vial no script required. It's not as fast acting as Humalog, but it still works for folks that can't afford the more current insulin analogs. I know lots of T1Ds that aren't aware of the Walmart R.

Jmiller said:

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annie88 said:

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Jmiller said:

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annie88 said:

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Jmiller said:

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So much misinformation.

• The Trump administration, via executive order, put a $35 cap on copays for insulin FOR SOME Medicare and Medicare Advantage plans but did not lower the cost of insulin or EpiPens for most Americans who use them.
• When Biden took office, his administration suspended all executive orders for 60 days that had not gone into effect - common behavior for an incoming administration.
• H.R. 5376, also known as the Build Back Better bill, includes Trump's idea but goes much further with proposals aimed at reducing the cost of prescription drugs in pubic and private plan.

HTHs

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Ignorant and wrong again. You never disappoint.

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A retort with no logical argument to support it. You never disappoint.

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It's already been pointed out on here I didn't think you needed to hear it twice.

At least you are consistent in your disinformation.

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Please do, because I fail to see how the cash price an internet rando pays at his local pharmacy disputes the following facts:

• The Trump administration, via executive order, put a $35 cap on copays for insulin FOR SOME Medicare and Medicare Advantage plans but did not lower the cost of insulin or EpiPens for most Americans who use them.
• When Biden took office, his administration suspended all executive orders for 60 days that had not gone into effect - common behavior for an incoming administration.
• H.R. 5376, also known as the Build Back Better bill, includes Trump's idea but goes much further with proposals aimed at reducing the cost of prescription drugs in pubic and private plan.

I'm listening.

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The cost of insulin was lowered ten-fold.

The.

Cost.

Of.

Insulin.

Was.

Lowered.

Ten-fold.

txyaloo said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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1) Go buy insulin and post a receipt.

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You should probably specify what insulin. Walmart sells their house brand R for $20/vial no script required. It's not as fast acting as Humalog, but it still works for folks that can't afford the more current insulin analogs. I know lots of T1Ds that aren't aware of the Walmart R.

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Novo Nordisk NovoLog.

A patent-protected fast-acting insulin known scientifically as Insulin Aspart.

$100 for 3 vials, or 3,000 Units. Cash and carry.

I didn't know that.

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So much misinformation.

• The Trump administration, via executive order, put a $35 cap on copays for insulin FOR SOME Medicare and Medicare Advantage plans but did not lower the cost of insulin or EpiPens for most Americans who use them.
• When Biden took office, his administration suspended all executive orders for 60 days that had not gone into effect - common behavior for an incoming administration.
• H.R. 5376, also known as the Build Back Better bill, includes Trump's idea but goes much further with proposals aimed at reducing the cost of prescription drugs in pubic and private plan.

HTHs

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This is completely false. The cash price for insulin was $33/vial after trump took action. This was down from $363/vial before the action.

Cash meaning you hand the pharmacist your credit card. no insurance involved.

There is a LOT of insulin stupidity on this thread.

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Very interesting anecdote, and that an EO only directed at the 340B Prescription Drug Program, and a small subset of people that utilizes that program, based on financial need, also influenced the cash market price.

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That is not an anecdote. That is a fact, for which thousands of T1D's can show you the receipts.

But if your point is that Trump, through his influence, lowered the price of insulin to EVERYONE, then I am happy that you are adult enough to stand here corrected.

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Considering 1) the Trump's EO had not been implemented and 2) Biden later rescinded the order, I have doubts that there is causation.

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President Trump specifically addressed insulin pricing with the manufacturers, and prices were subsequently reduced over tenfold.

It is clear you just don't follow / haven't followed this. That's understandable, you clearly don't have to worry about it day to day, which is fine. But any T1D knows exactly what happened to insulin prices and why, for obvious reasons.

That, or you are being intentionally obtuse.

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So you are not referring to the EO we were discussing. Okay. That was the topic.

I don't track the price of insulin myself, but nothing I've come across supports your anecdote, including insulin price tracking that I've seen, such as this.

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So you are being intentionaly obtuse.

Not only did you confidently describe the price direction on insulin (incorrectly) you signed off with a "hope this helps", like you know what the **** you are talking about.

Now you "don't track the price".

I would be happy to run down to my corner pharmacy any buy insulin RIGHT NOW and post the receipt if you would like further clarity on how wildly wrong you have been on this matter.

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Sir, you are one being intentionally obtuse.

You derailed a discussion with your own, personal anecdote on the cash price you pay for insulin at your local pharmacy. That was not the discussion.

I don't care what you do, but I'm not going to believe the word of a rando internet poster. Provide better sources with links. HTHs.

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I love when jmiller gets donkey punched and then starts deflecting.

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Uh oh. Jmiller does the donkey punching and the thread is basically over.

I love a good troll, but yours needs serious work. Better luck next time.

Nah, you've been slapped around good enough on this thread. I'm looking forward to your next TDS 1/6 thread.