Interesting. Apparently Ukraine has lots of undocumented immigrants too.

⭕️ Svitlana Honcharova is one of tens of thousands of stateless people in the country.

🇺🇦 She has lived in Ukraine almost all her life.

🚨 But she has no right to get a job, access healthcare, open a bank account, own property or even marry.https://t.co/5ENMlamWbx pic.twitter.com/yoaE8WzygN

— Thomson Reuters Foundation News (@TRF_Stories) April 7, 2022

Russia pulled out of International Criminal Court in 2016 BECAUSE of their invasion and taking of Crimea.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/16/russia-withdraws-signature-from-international-criminal-court-statute

I love that song

Good Google Docs slides from an online humanitarian effort relating to Ukraine. Good overall information that answers lots of questions I've seen in the threads as well other info.

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/11klJC2lKCmGOzwafXhnj7eHAl9QywsQcYr4NbAKiDcY/mobilepresent?slide=id.g11ef22e13d4_0_15

This is epic and, for lack of a better way to phrase it, IS Russia.

Zakharova’s substance abuse is legendary, but this is bad even by her standards. https://t.co/9BLwV4Mdn7

— Natalia Antonova 🇺🇸🇺🇦 (@NataliaAntonova) April 8, 2022

Translation:

Applicable for obvious reasons.

#FACTCHECK: 336 chemical weapon attacks in #Syria, 98% of which were launched by the Assad regime. ISIS responsible for the rest. 90% occurred after Obama drew [and erased] the "red line."https://t.co/ea9NYRNOEa pic.twitter.com/EqibJ9TyMX

— Peter Corless 🌎☮ 💛💉💉+💉🇺🇸🇮🇪🇺🇦🌻 (@PeterCorless) April 10, 2022

This is Daryna. She wanted to evacuate from Kramatorsk yesterday. But Russian missile stopped her and her life. pic.twitter.com/wBUOjCnHdW

— Alexander Khrebet/Олександр Хребет (@AlexKhrebet) April 9, 2022

🇷🇺 officially publishes genocide handbook with a “special Russian definition of "Nazi": a Ukrainian who refuses to admit being Russian, who has an affinity for Ukrainian culture or for the EU”. (From Yale Prof Tim Snyder) https://t.co/GDxmOhuM25

— Kateryna Yushchenko 🌻 🇺🇦 (@KatyaYushchenko) April 9, 2022

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NATO military commanders are working on plans to transform the alliance's presence on its eastern borders to a force capable of taking on an invading army, Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg told the Telegraph in an interview.

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Stoltenberg described the alliance's presence on its eastern borders thus far as a relatively small "tripwire" force intended to symbolize the alliance's commitment to defend itself from any Russian attack.
Russia's war against Ukraine will change that.

"Regardless of when, how, the war in Ukraine ends, the war has already had long-term consequences for our security. NATO needs to adapt to that new reality. And that's exactly what we are doing," Stoltenberg said.

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Putin has massively miscalculated.

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NATO military commanders are working on plans to transform the alliance's presence on its eastern borders to a force capable of taking on an invading army, Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg told the Telegraph in an interview.

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Stoltenberg described the alliance's presence on its eastern borders thus far as a relatively small "tripwire" force intended to symbolize the alliance's commitment to defend itself from any Russian attack.
Russia's war against Ukraine will change that.

"Regardless of when, how, the war in Ukraine ends, the war has already had long-term consequences for our security. NATO needs to adapt to that new reality. And that's exactly what we are doing," Stoltenberg said.

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Putin has massively miscalculated.

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So Cold War 2.0 has officially been declared then?

He's screwed China as well. Russia wasn't going to be an existential threat to NATO in Europe in our lifetimes but this has probably set China back a generation, or at least past Xi's lifetime. China may be able to build a military that can effectively counter the US within our lifetimes but they won't be able to catch a combined NATO with the massive increase in defense spending that's occurring in other NATO countries.

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He's screwed China as well. Russia wasn't going to be an existential threat to NATO in Europe in our lifetimes but this has probably set China back a generation, or at least past Xi's lifetime. China may be able to build a military that can effectively counter the US within our lifetimes but they won't be able to catch a combined NATO with the massive increase in defense spending that's occurring in other NATO countries.

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Good point. I hadn't considered the China angle. Watching to see what Japan does.

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Google-owned video platform YouTube has reportedly blocked Duma TV, a channel that broadcasts from Russia's lower house of parliament.

Reuters reports that YouTube has blocked the channel Duma TV, which broadcasts from Russia's lower house of parliament. The move has garnered an angry response from Russian officials who believe that YouTube could face restrictions in response to the channel ban.

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Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova commented via the Telegram messaging service: "From the look of it, YouTube has signed its own warrant. Save content, transfer (it) to Russian platforms. And hurry up."

Roskomnadzor has requested that Google restore access to the channel immediately, stating: "The American IT company adheres to a pronounced anti-Russian position in the information war unleashed by the West against our country."

In an email to Reuters, Google stated that it is committed to complying with all sanctions and trade compliance laws. "If we find that an account violates our Terms of Service, we take appropriate action.

Our teams are closely monitoring the situation for any updates and changes," a Google spokesperson told Reuters.

Vyacheslav Volodin, the Duma's speaker, commented that the sudden decision by Google was proof of rights and freedom violations by the United States government. "The USA wants to obtain a monopoly on promoting information. We cannot let it happen," Volodin said via Telegram.

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This lady is developing a retro game where you pilot a Bayraktar and bomb Russian tanks. Complete with ejecting tank turrets and Ukrainian tractors. Pretty fun looking.

Game for #Ukraine progress: okay, here's a little WIP video clip to show you what I've been having fun with: pic.twitter.com/vTPrJl7SuQ

— Sarah Jane Avory (@SarahJaneAvory) April 10, 2022

Idk if it matters but theres a war going on.

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Sorry your feint lost

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Did it? 60k ukr troops are stuck in kiev.

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Zobel said:

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Sorry your feint lost

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Did it? 60k ukr troops are stuck in kiev.

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If it cost 10-20% of your resources originally allocated to the invasion then yes. Yes it did.

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Sorry your feint lost

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Did it? 60k ukr troops are stuck in kiev.

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If it cost 10-20% of your resources originally allocated to the invasion then yes. Yes it did.

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And, the UKR troop can make it to the eastern combat zone, faster and in better shape than the RU units. RU troops rolling into the east from around Kiev are not combat effective at this time.

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Sorry your feint lost

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Did it? 60k ukr troops are stuck in kiev.

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May I ask why you are so Pro-Russian?

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I'll take a crack at it. Maybe this isn't him specifically but it's a solid percentage of Americans in support of Russia. There are plenty of hyper-liberals who reach the same endpoint via a different path but I don't peg him for a Communist.

Ethnocentric, uniform ultranationalist hyper-conservatism at the cost of authoritarian autocracy.

For some folks it's perceived to be worth the cost in order to eliminate any degree of liberalism and the possibility of dissent or pushback against what is required to achieve the true one party government that ensures the desired end-state.

What Russia is represents their dream for America. They view the American system as a failure because it provides a voice to those they see as the enemy and the resultant deterioration of the nation.

Anything that can help bring about the downfall of the current system is seen as a positive. Additionally, until America resembles Russia then Russia is their "team" and they want to see their ideals triumph in a manifestation of the superiority of the principles of the hyper-conservative, ultranationalist ethno-state.

Also, Ukraine is trending to European alignment which makes them an ideological enemy. Therefore their subjugation, ideological purification, and "reeducation" is justifiable.

I think you're putting more thought into it than the typical American Russian troll. Putin is strong and tough and decries gays and western liberalism and of course the "globalist elites". The end.

Sounds sort of attractive, except for the rooting for Russia aspect.

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Sounds sort of attractive, except for the rooting for Russia aspect.

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Problem is that whether left or right wing, authoritarian autocratic rule all has a propensity for ending up the same way. It tends to go poorly even for those who are philosophically aligned with the regime.

The founders had strong thoughts on freedom and I tend to agree with them. It's a pain in the ass but the alternatives are never as rosy as the utopia you envision.

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Sorry your feint lost

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Did it? 60k ukr troops are stuck in kiev.

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Pro russian? Because I'm not touching myself to Zelensky?

Maybe it's the realization that our media has most of you by the shorthairs and when it says "Ukraine good, russia bad" you accept it blindly.

Most of you have such blatant double standards when it comes to war doctrine, its mind-dizzying. The US can invade any country it wants, as long as it can make a vieled justification. We have no respect of sovereignty or international law, because might makes right.

But now russia invades a country (mind you they did so preemptively from Kiev amassing forces at the border of luhansk and Donetsk) and they are supremely unjustified.

Not a single one of you will condemn Victoria Nulands involvement in 2014, because again we can violate sovereign nations at will, and without it even appearing on the radar of our national conscious. We have become so desensitized to our hands covered in blood, that a coup in ukraine is S.O.P.

We continually lie and push nato east. And the sheep say "well russia is a bad neighbor that makes countries want to join NATO" not realizing that we have been working these countries over for 30 years specifically to isolate Russia further.

We push and push and push and push, then Russia pushes back and its unconscionable.

Not to mention that Ukraine is a laundering operation for american elites....let's just forget that little fact. The Dniper river is a tributary of the DC swamp, and you people are doing your best to protect the Biden family's dark money.

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I think you're putting more thought into it than the typical American Russian troll. Putin is strong and tough and decries gays and western liberalism and of course the "globalist elites". The end.

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You're right. I gave him waaaaay too much credit.

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Sorry your feint lost

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Did it? 60k ukr troops are stuck in kiev.

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May I ask why you are so Pro-Russian?

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I'll take a crack at it. Maybe this isn't him specifically but it's a solid percentage of Americans in support of Russia. There are plenty of hyper-liberals who reach the same endpoint via a different path but I don't peg him for a Communist.

Ethnocentric, uniform ultranationalist hyper-conservatism at the cost of authoritarian autocracy.

For some folks it's perceived to be worth the cost in order to eliminate any degree of liberalism and the possibility of dissent or pushback against what is required to achieve the true one party government that ensures the desired end-state.

What Russia is represents their dream for America. They view the American system as a failure because it provides a voice to those they see as the enemy and the resultant deterioration of the nation.

Anything that can help bring about the downfall of the current system is seen as a positive. Additionally, until America resembles Russia then Russia is their "team" and they want to see their ideals triumph in a manifestation of the superiority of the principles of the hyper-conservative, ultranationalist ethno-state.

Also, Ukraine is trending to European alignment which makes them an ideological enemy. Therefore their subjugation, ideological purification, and "reeducation" is justifiable.

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I think this is pretty accurate.

I will amend one thing. I don't think dissidents on the right view Russia as the dream. If they did then Putin getting schooled by NATO/Ukraine over the past few weeks has probably remedied that.

I think people on the right feel like they have been suffocated by the government, media, and academia over the past 50-60 years. It's been a non-stop losing battle for conservatives. On top of that the open border and high levels of immigration (which were never democratically voted on by the populace) have watered down native solidarity in a wave of multiculturalism.

There are a lot of strands here but Rossticus hits the high points.

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Sorry your feint lost

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Did it? 60k ukr troops are stuck in kiev.

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May I ask why you are so Pro-Russian?

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Pro russian? Because I'm not touching myself to Zelensky?

Maybe it's the realization that our media has most of you by the shorthairs and when it says "Ukraine good, russia bad" you accept it blindly.

Most of you have such blatant double standards when it comes to war doctrine, its mind-dizzying. The US can invade any country it wants, as long as it can make a vieled justification. We have no respect of sovereignty or international law, because might makes right.

But now russia invades a country (mind you they did so preemptively from Kiev amassing forces at the border of luhansk and Donetsk) and they are supremely unjustified.

Not a single one of you will condemn Victoria Nulands involvement in 2014, because again we can violate sovereign nations at will, and without it even appearing on the radar of our national conscious. We have become so desensitized to our hands covered in blood, that a coup in ukraine is S.O.P.

We continually lie and push nato east. And the sheep say "well russia is a bad neighbor that makes countries want to join NATO" not realizing that we have been working these countries over for 30 years specifically to isolate Russia further.

We push and push and push and push, then Russia pushes back and its unconscionable.

Not to mention that Ukraine is a laundering operation for american elites....let's just forget that little fact. The Dniper river is a tributary of the DC swamp, and you people are doing your best to protect the Biden family's dark money.

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Nailed it.

However, those points have been predominantly deconstructed down to the ground with hard evidence that highlights their lack of logical standing.

All it says is that you formed an opinion based on bad information and shaky logic, and despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary you're choosing to ride that bomb all the way down. You do you boo.

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The Debt said:

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Zobel said:

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Sorry your feint lost

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Did it? 60k ukr troops are stuck in kiev.

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May I ask why you are so Pro-Russian?

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Pro russian? Because I'm not touching myself to Zelensky?

Maybe it's the realization that our media has most of you by the shorthairs and when it says "Ukraine good, russia bad" you accept it blindly.

Most of you have such blatant double standards when it comes to war doctrine, its mind-dizzying. The US can invade any country it wants, as long as it can make a vieled justification. We have no respect of sovereignty or international law, because might makes right.

But now russia invades a country (mind you they did so preemptively from Kiev amassing forces at the border of luhansk and Donetsk) and they are supremely unjustified.

Not a single one of you will condemn Victoria Nulands involvement in 2014, because again we can violate sovereign nations at will, and without it even appearing on the radar of our national conscious. We have become so desensitized to our hands covered in blood, that a coup in ukraine is S.O.P.

We continually lie and push nato east. And the sheep say "well russia is a bad neighbor that makes countries want to join NATO" not realizing that we have been working these countries over for 30 years specifically to isolate Russia further.

We push and push and push and push, then Russia pushes back and its unconscionable.

Not to mention that Ukraine is a laundering operation for american elites....let's just forget that little fact. The Dniper river is a tributary of the DC swamp, and you people are doing your best to protect the Biden family's dark money.

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How much money did Hunter take from Russia and China?

NATO is not to blame for Russia invading Ukraine.

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Mother Russia will roll through UKrainie in 10 seconds...Wish we had putin here instead of grandpa poopy pants.

Putin>Biden

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Tell me you're an idiot without telling me.

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But now russia invades a country (mind you they did so preemptively from Kiev amassing forces at the border of luhansk and Donetsk) and they are supremely unjustified.

Not a single one of you will condemn Victoria Nulands involvement in 2014, because again we can violate sovereign nations at will, and without it even appearing on the radar of our national conscious. We have become so desensitized to our hands covered in blood, that a coup in ukraine is S.O.P.

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Now you have a contradiction. 2014 has nothing to do with 2022. Russia seized Crimea in 2014.

And who amasased forces where and when? Do some homework on that.

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Hawg, I'm sure you believe the only geopolitically significant event in the US for 2020 was coronavirus, yes? There is no way two important events can happen in the same year...like say a US election.

While Crimea did happen in 2014, there was this other wittle event called the "Revolution of Dignity" whereas our state department deposed the sitting leader of Ukraine and even forged a government-in-waiting once the coup was successful.

While you are correct, Crimea had little to do with 2022, you forget that foreign interference in ukraine has precipitated ukraine's western leanings toward nato.