***** OFFICIAL Russia v. Ukraine *****

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TRM said:


They left the dogs? That they brought in?
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ATX_AG_08 said:




counting for your security on the Germans

has not ended well over the last 200 years
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Russians treat animals like insects.
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Thought this would be worth posting for comparison to present events. This was when Russia went into Georgia and nobody took much note and there would have been no reason to stage it for the world (as Russia alleges with regard to present events) Eerily similar.

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Rossticus said:

Russians treat animals like insects.
And Ukrainians do not. They are more Western than Putin could endure. They love their animals.

How do you tell which conglomeration of peoples are humane? How they treat civilians, hospitals, POWs and animals. Occasionally how they treat architectural and sites of invaluable and irreplaceable museums.

One of the reasons that German scientists raced for Allied forces instead of USSR forces when Berlin was falling.
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A one time beautiful country (cultural, scientific, etc) destroyed by communism. They haven't contributed culturally to the world in a century.

There is a moral to this story.
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You can always know how a person really feels about other humans in general and will treat other humans when nobody is looking by how they treat animals; how they'll treat humans when they don't think they'll be caught or held accountable. It's a very accurate gauge for true human empathy.

Edit: I was wrong on a statement. Only 15-20% of violent offenders begin with violence towards animals. I assumed it was higher.
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Rossticus said:

You can always know how a person really feels about other humans in general and will treat other humans when nobody is looking by how they treat animals; how they'll treat humans when they don't think they'll be caught or held accountable. It's a very accurate gauge for true human empathy.

It's why so many violent criminals are found to have started out abusing, neglecting, and torturing animals.
I wasn't aware of that correlation but makes sense.
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Yep. I've done some work with violent offenders and it checks out. When the ability to feel empathy isn't present or is stunted it tends to impact a persons views and interactions with all living things.

Since family violence, poverty, alcoholism, intense bullying, sexual abuse, etc. are such an endemic aspect of Russian society a lot of people are messed up as kids and then go on to mess up their kids, etc. It's a viscous cycle. And because a greater portion of the society behave in this way it's tolerated by others who wouldn't otherwise behave that way and sometimes even emulated (particularly among kids and in the military) to stay on the good side of the violent "in" group.

I think this is probably a contributing reason to why the Russian Mob runs the business of much of country. So many aspects of Russia are predicated on rewarding violence and theft. It's all very effed up.
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*Edited because ******* is blocked by content filter and this meme circumvents it. Was confused because ass is permitted.
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We need special ops to take out Pukin. Surely we can accomplish that with plausible deniability.
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92Ag95 said:

We need special ops to take out Pukin. Surely we can accomplish that with plausible deniability.
No.
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92Ag95 said:

We need special ops to take out Pukin. Surely we can accomplish that with plausible deniability.


We couldn't do it in the age before Twitter verse now you're asking for it to happen in an age of instant news/comms ect?

No we can not do this without plausible deniability
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Rossticus said:

You can always know how a person really feels about other humans in general and will treat other humans when nobody is looking by how they treat animals; how they'll treat humans when they don't think they'll be caught or held accountable. It's a very accurate gauge for true human empathy.

It's why so many violent criminals are found to have started out abusing, neglecting, and torturing animals.


You say so many but that is not true.

When it comes to serial killers, a high proportion of them tortured, killed, etc animals as kids.

However there are many violent criminals for whom animals are off limits because animals are creatures without ulterior motives- they don't contain the "guilt" that human beings and society carries for being a member of the human race.

Alot of people who become violent due to an abused background resent humanity on the whole because humanity and society created and environment where their abuse was permitted to continue. Animals are not included in this group.

Alot of people who were abused as kids who become violent later in life actually hate people who abuse animals and other kids. kids and/or animals are considered innocent.

This is why child molesters are often killed in prison if the inmates can get to them.

Sure, there are people without empathy but usually lack of empathy is due to neglect, not abuse. People who were abhsed are usually overly empathic. Which is developed as a defense mechanism so they can monitor the emotions of their abuser and defend rhemseles or retreat when their abuser's emotions take a turn for the worse.

Lack of empathy is usually caused by hyper neglect through the age of 6.
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92Ag95 said:

We need special ops to take out Pukin. Surely we can accomplish that with plausible deniability.


Would love to in theory if this were James Bond, or James Wick, or wtfe. In reality? No way in hell. Wholly unrealistic and would lead to nothing but very bad things in 99.5% of all likely scenarios.
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Ags4DaWin said:

Rossticus said:

You can always know how a person really feels about other humans in general and will treat other humans when nobody is looking by how they treat animals; how they'll treat humans when they don't think they'll be caught or held accountable. It's a very accurate gauge for true human empathy.

It's why so many violent criminals are found to have started out abusing, neglecting, and torturing animals.


You say so many but that is not true.

When it comes to serial killers, a high proportion of them tortured, killed, etc animals as kids.

However there are many violent criminals for whom animals are off limits because animals are creatures without ulterior motives- they don't contain the "guilt" that human beings and society carries for being a member of the human race.

Alot of people who become violent due to an abused background resent humanity on the whole because humanity and society created and environment where their abuse was permitted to continue. Animals are not included in this group.

Alot of people who were abused as kids who become violent later in life actually hate people who abuse animals and other kids. kids and/or animals are considered innocent.

This is why child molesters are often killed in prison if the inmates can get to them.

Sure, there are people without empathy but usually lack of empathy is due to neglect, not abuse. People who were abhsed are usually overly empathic. Which is developed as a defense mechanism so they can monitor the emotions of their abuser and defend rhemseles or retreat when their abuser's emotions take a turn for the worse.

Lack of empathy is usually caused by hyper neglect through the age of 6.


Perhaps I overgeneralized because of the specific subset of individuals I worked with. I thought that the percentage was higher but you're dead on. Thanks!

From FBI website:

"One study found that 16% of offenders started abusing animals and graduated to violent crimes against humans. However, in many circumstances, offenders start by hurting other humans and then progress to harming animals. Companion animals can be a source of comfort to victims of domestic abuse."

https://leb.fbi.gov/articles/featured-articles/the-link-between-animal-cruelty-and-human-violence
Rossticus
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So would you say that in conflict these incidents are simply magnified due to the opportunities that avail themselves to the percentage of individuals who have those tendencies or is it more a matter of eventual habituation to violence by the fighting force as a whole?

It also appears, based on US studies, that at least 30% of those unfortunate enough to experience abuse at a younger age tend to succumb to similar behavior. I wonder if other complicating factors would increase the incidence or if it would remain unchanged?

With the threshold for deficits in empathy being around 6, the massive number of orphaned Russian children would appear to speak to a potential higher incidence than you might see in some other countries. I'm not familiar with the condition of Russian orphanages but I wouldn't necessarily expect them to have a better track record of providing early childhood care than any other orphanage.
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This is a pretty good read.

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Rossticus said:



Someone should kick grapesoda while he's passed out on the floor again. He would love this.
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Rossticus said:

You can always know how a person really feels about other humans in general and will treat other humans when nobody is looking by how they treat animals; how they'll treat humans when they don't think they'll be caught or held accountable. It's a very accurate gauge for true human empathy.

Edit: I was wrong on a statement. Only 15-20% of violent offenders begin with violence towards animals. I assumed it was higher.

Islamic zealots also hate dogs and cats, much less pigs
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UPDATE
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Kyiv coming back to life.

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And people like Mr. Rybytva who also works for the Free Belarus Center, a group dedicated to helping people flee the brutal Lukashenko government in Belarus are returning to their homes.

"The feelings are strange," he wrote in a series of text messages. "It's hard to explain. It's not just a house. It is a symbol. And of course, I really wanted to hug my family and friends."

In Kyiv this week, instead of seeking shelter in the subway, people are now riding it; it is running on all lines, though not all of the stops are open. About 150 buses and 30 trams are working again. The City Council reported that more than 500 businesses had reopened within the last week. The Kyiv school district has started online instruction for students, including those in western Ukraine and locations elsewhere in Europe.

There are still checkpoints and barricades on some streets, and sandbags are part of the city's architecture. But there are also large lines of cars now forming on highways into the city, a reversal from the first days of the war when tens of thousands fled and traffic jams clogged the roads out.
Link
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My preferred way to brush up on Russian history...

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REALLY good video that deals with a lot of the misinformation and false claims by both sides. Their claimed successes, "the feint", denazification, and more. Highly recommend watching it.

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