***** OFFICIAL Russia v. Ukraine *****

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ATX_AG_08 said:


Only symbolic, but a nonetheless important gesture.

The number of cowardly abstentions is discouraging.
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This is probably the passage he's referring to:


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TRM said:

This is probably the passage he's referring to:



Yeah, makes sense until the last line
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I can see some nations saying we'll support you in Ukraine, if you prosecute a pilot that bombed a building in Afghanistan that resulted in collateral damage of one of our civilians dying or the drone operator that killed 10 citizens based on faulty intelligence.
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But they could say that as it stands. That's not directly applicable to this bill which is internal to the US and specific to actions in Ukraine. This bill wouldn't change anything about the scenario you outlined, based on the way the bill is written. At least not that I can determine.
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The 3rd bullet point is not restricted to war crimes in Ukraine though and but to bring support to Ukraine. Do you trust someone in the admin not to sell someone out for international support? Then you'd have foreign countries interfering in our internal policies which is something someone like Massie and Davidson is against.
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Robk said:

TRM said:

This is probably the passage he's referring to:



Yeah, makes sense until the last line
Yea, until an Obama judge or some other likeminded international tribunal reads the text and reinterprets it!
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I don't think that the absence of this bill would prevent a seleazebag from doing something like that if they wanted to nor would its presence, as written, provide an otherwise absent enabling channel for it.

I don't think that the bill in and of itself would allow someone to circumvent all the other checks in place that would have to be navigated to allow for your scenario. This doesn't appear to enable any sort of otherwise prohibited unilateral action. I do understand and f do not wholly disagree with the consideration though.
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ATX_AG_08 said:


Anyone remember when people on this board laughed at this idea????
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FriscoKid said:

ATX_AG_08 said:


Anyone remember when people on this board laughed at this idea????
Here's the fun part...why is the Kremlin saying it now?
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mickeyrig06sq3 said:

FriscoKid said:

ATX_AG_08 said:


Anyone remember when people on this board laughed at this idea????
Here's the fun part...why is the Kremlin saying it now?
My guess is to start building support on the home front for further mobilization.
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Your old boss would have been doing a much better job with this. Your politics led to this vegetable in the WH that is destroying your homeland.
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But, he is right. The Biden administration is afraid of what would happen if Ukraine won. They really don't want that to happen so they are slow rolling actual support for them.
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What are they going to do? Ban exports of matryoshka dolls? Eff 'em. There's nothing significant that they can do to us that wouldn't bite them in the ass.
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ATX_AG_08 said:


It's going to have to be significant.

Putin amassed a $630 billion war chest anticipating sanctions, and then moronically left half of it parked in Western banks as Russian troops rolled into Ukraine.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-capital-controls-were-tit-for-tat-move-after-reserves-were-frozen-2022-03-25/

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. . . The sanctions froze around $300 billion of Russia's $640-billion gold and forex reserves, its finance ministry said earlier in March. . . .

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/03/opinion/ukraine-russia-wired.html
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. . . Putin saved up over $600 billion in gold, foreign government bonds and foreign currency, earned from all of Russia's energy and mineral exports, precisely so he would have a cushion if he were sanctioned by the West. But Putin apparently forgot that in today's wired world, as is standard practice, his government had deposited most of it in the banks of Western countries and China.

According to the Atlantic Council GeoEconomics Center, the top six nations where Russian central bank foreign currency assets are stowed by percentage are: China, 17.7 percent; France, 15.6 percent; Japan, 12.8 percent; Germany, 12.2 percent; U.S., 8.5 percent; and Britain, 5.8 percent. Also, the Bank for International Settlements and the International Monetary Fund have 6.4 percent.

Each of these countries, except China, has now frozen the Russian reserves it is holding so around $330 billion is inaccessible to Putin, according to the Atlantic Council's tracker. But not only can the Russian state not touch those reserves to prop up its crumbling economy, there will be a huge global push to tap this money to pay reparations to rebuild the Ukrainian homes, apartment buildings, roads and government structures the Russian Army destroyed in Putin's war of choice.
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Russia's GDP is around $1.48 trillion, so that $300 billion or so amounts to over 20% of a year's GDP frozen because of that awe inspiring blunder - and that's just looking at Russia's reserves.
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In response to the war in Ukraine, at least some of the young Russians who grew up in Putin's Russia are fleeing. With opposition to the war in Russia effectively criminalized, some are actual refugees, fleeing Putin's crackdown on opponents and media. Some are intellectual exiles who no longer want to live in a country that invades a neighbor or supports a despot.
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Tens of thousands have landed in Istanbul, because Russian flights can reach Turkey without crossing into European airspace and Russians don't need Turkish visas to visit.

As a result, you can now hear Russian on the streets and on lines that form in front of ATMs with Russian credit cards disabled, Russian refugees are living on any cash they can withdraw from ATMs.

Inside coffee shops, you can overhear Russians exchanging tips on cheap places to stay, how to open a bank account or the best places to exchange currency.

Under Turkish law, they can only stay for 90 days. What will happen to them next is a topic in the cafes, bars and hostel lobbies where they also gather to discuss the political developments in their homeland. Most still have friends and families who are left in Russia.
Russia creating refugees from their own country.

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Faustus said:

ATX_AG_08 said:


It's going to have to be significant.

Putin amassed a $630 billion war chest anticipating sanctions, and then moronically left half of it parked in Western banks as Russian troops rolled into Ukraine.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-capital-controls-were-tit-for-tat-move-after-reserves-were-frozen-2022-03-25/

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. . . The sanctions froze around $300 billion of Russia's $640-billion gold and forex reserves, its finance ministry said earlier in March. . . .

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/03/opinion/ukraine-russia-wired.html
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. . . Putin saved up over $600 billion in gold, foreign government bonds and foreign currency, earned from all of Russia's energy and mineral exports, precisely so he would have a cushion if he were sanctioned by the West. But Putin apparently forgot that in today's wired world, as is standard practice, his government had deposited most of it in the banks of Western countries and China.

According to the Atlantic Council GeoEconomics Center, the top six nations where Russian central bank foreign currency assets are stowed by percentage are: China, 17.7 percent; France, 15.6 percent; Japan, 12.8 percent; Germany, 12.2 percent; U.S., 8.5 percent; and Britain, 5.8 percent. Also, the Bank for International Settlements and the International Monetary Fund have 6.4 percent.

Each of these countries, except China, has now frozen the Russian reserves it is holding so around $330 billion is inaccessible to Putin, according to the Atlantic Council's tracker. But not only can the Russian state not touch those reserves to prop up its crumbling economy, there will be a huge global push to tap this money to pay reparations to rebuild the Ukrainian homes, apartment buildings, roads and government structures the Russian Army destroyed in Putin's war of choice.
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Russia's GDP is around $1.48 trillion, so that $300 billion or so amounts to over 20% of a year's GDP frozen because of that awe inspiring blunder - and that's just looking at Russia's reserves.
Banks just defaulted. Well done?
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Banks just defaulted. Well done?
Which ones?
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ATX_AG_08 said:




That's a man???
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The Fall Guy said:

ATX_AG_08 said:




That's a man???

So Crabbe didn't die. He just went to Russia.
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Russia needs to publicly execute Putin. They should have done it when he started this nonsense but now they are running out of time, Getting in bed with China is not going to go well for them.




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Is this some Harry Potter joke I'm to cool to understand?
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Should have gone with one eye looking at the camera instead of both eyes almost looking at the camera on either side.
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AgBQ-00 said:

mickeyrig06sq3 said:

FriscoKid said:

ATX_AG_08 said:


Anyone remember when people on this board laughed at this idea????
Here's the fun part...why is the Kremlin saying it now?
My guess is to start building support on the home front for further mobilization.


That and probably the fact they are getting to a point they can't really hide it anymore.
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Found vid of Kadyrov "shooting" free throws, apparently at a Russian pro game. It speaks for itself.

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ATX_AG_08 said:




in honor of Bruce Willis retiring

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