Once the Winter Olympics end I say keep your eyes open on both China and Russia…..

where are the HOTTIES for this thread !

https://www.gpsworld.com/russia-issues-threat-to-gps-satellites/

The Kremlin warned it could blow up 32 GPS satellites with its new anti-satellite technology, ASAT, which it tested Nov. 15 on a retired Soviet Tselina-D satellite, according to numerous news reports.

Russia then claimed on state television that its new ASAT missiles could obliterate NATO satellites and "blind all their missiles, planes and ships, not to mention the ground forces," said Russian Channel One TV host Dmitry Kiselyov, rendering the West's GPS-guided missiles useless. "It means that if NATO crosses our red line, it risks losing all 32 of its GPS satellites at once."

Russia says it will respond to NATO troops in Ukraine.

— DEFCONWarningSystem (@DEFCONWSALERTS) December 6, 2021

On the heels of the Beijing Olympic boycott? Which was released first. This matters a little bit.

JUST IN - Biden admin reportedly mulls "nuclear option," i.e. disconnecting Russia from the SWIFT payment system in case they invade Ukraine.

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) December 6, 2021

Russia has a backup to SWIFT that they developed when Obama last threatened to block Russia's SWIFT access for invading Crimea. This is an attempt at a "tough stand" by Biden.

Sleepy Joe walking it back... One of his handlers told him to do it now!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/08/russia-talks-of-rapid-ukraine-discussions-after-biden-putin-summit

"Biden says he won't send US troops to Ukraine to deter Russian threat

President's comments come after he said the US would provide 'defensive capabilities' to Ukraine

Joe Biden has said that he is not considering sending US troops to defend Ukraine in response to a Russian military buildup on the country's borders.


"That is not on the table," he told reporters on Wednesday, one day after speaking directly with Vladimir Putin in an effort to avert a military crisis.

Biden has warned Putin that there would be "severe consequences" if Russia launches an attack on Ukraine and said the US would be providing "defensive capabilities" to the Ukrainian military."

When is this invasion happening?
New Years?

TxTarpon said:

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When is this invasion happening?
New Years?

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I'm no Napoleon, but it seems like the smart thing to do is apply pressure for another couple of months before invading. I'm sure Ukrainian forces are fully alert now, but that starts to naturally wane after a while.

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JUST IN - Biden admin reportedly mulls "nuclear option," i.e. disconnecting Russia from the SWIFT payment system in case they invade Ukraine.

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) December 6, 2021

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Hello crypto.

I wonder how hard it is for Putin to not laugh in the face of Biden when he issues a "warning."

NEW: Biden Admin Plans To Advise Ukraine To Just Hand Over Territory To Russia https://t.co/ZOx9zcg7Lb

— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) December 9, 2021

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NEW: Biden Admin Plans To Advise Ukraine To Just Hand Over Territory To Russia https://t.co/ZOx9zcg7Lb

— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) December 9, 2021

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If true, it's a damned shame... did people not learn from pre-World War II appeasement strategies?

Ukraine should reply with....'Ok, you first'

Sometimes it's better to not say anything at all, rather than say something dumb. I wish Washington would learn this truth.

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will25u said:

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NEW: Biden Admin Plans To Advise Ukraine To Just Hand Over Territory To Russia https://t.co/ZOx9zcg7Lb

— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) December 9, 2021

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If true, it's a damned shame... did people not learn from pre-World War II appeasement strategies?

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Or maybe Europe has a better memory of what a full scale war can bring.

World War 3.0 won't be like 2.0. Hyper sonic missiles, cyber attacks, EMPs, super caveating torpedos, satellite weapons, etc. are game changers on the battle field. The modern world can/will be crippled within days if the big boys decide to go to the mattresses.

"Appeasing" Putin is probably best in this case. Don't risk a full scale conflict unless there are extreme national interests at play. Ukraine isn't exactly high on the national interests list other than being a pain in Russia's ass. Not worth it.

Same strategy should be considered with Taiwan....It's a much different world than it was in the 1930s.


Not to mention, our commander in chief and his replacement are ****ing ******s, who would lead us straight into defeat in a real war.

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SpreadsheetAg said:

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will25u said:

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NEW: Biden Admin Plans To Advise Ukraine To Just Hand Over Territory To Russia https://t.co/ZOx9zcg7Lb

— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) December 9, 2021

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If true, it's a damned shame... did people not learn from pre-World War II appeasement strategies?

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Or maybe Europe has a better memory of what a full scale war can bring.

World War 3.0 won't be like 2.0. Hyper sonic missiles, cyber attacks, EMPs, super caveating torpedos, satellite weapons, etc. are game changers on the battle field. The modern world can/will be crippled within days if the big boys decide to go to the mattresses.

"Appeasing" Putin is probably best in this case. Don't risk a full scale conflict unless there are extreme national interests at play. Ukraine isn't exactly high on the national interests list other than being a pain in Russia's ass. Not worth it.

Same strategy should be considered with Taiwan....It's a much different world than it was in the 1930s.


Not to mention, our commander in chief and his replacement are ****ing ******s, who would lead us straight into defeat in a real war.

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Username checks out!

MuchosPollos said:

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SpreadsheetAg said:

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will25u said:

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NEW: Biden Admin Plans To Advise Ukraine To Just Hand Over Territory To Russia https://t.co/ZOx9zcg7Lb

— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) December 9, 2021

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If true, it's a damned shame... did people not learn from pre-World War II appeasement strategies?

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Or maybe Europe has a better memory of what a full scale war can bring.

World War 3.0 won't be like 2.0. Hyper sonic missiles, cyber attacks, EMPs, super caveating torpedos, satellite weapons, etc. are game changers on the battle field. The modern world can/will be crippled within days if the big boys decide to go to the mattresses.

"Appeasing" Putin is probably best in this case. Don't risk a full scale conflict unless there are extreme national interests at play. Ukraine isn't exactly high on the national interests list other than being a pain in Russia's ass. Not worth it.

Same strategy should be considered with Taiwan....It's a much different world than it was in the 1930s.


Not to mention, our commander in chief and his replacement are ****ing ******s, who would lead us straight into defeat in a real war.

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Taiwan is way different animal than Ukraine. We have major strategic interests there as does the world. If China takes Taiwan they can hold the world hostage simply because of microchips.

We are still several years away from being able to build out our own capacity here so if China attacks them soon we have to do something. And we are already are...actually. Trump sent assets into Taiwan over a year ago in prep for this.

Czechoslovakia and the Sudetenland weren't high on anyone's national interests before 1939, either. Same with Serbia in 1914. Perhaps you were trying to be sarcastic?

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SpreadsheetAg said:

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will25u said:

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NEW: Biden Admin Plans To Advise Ukraine To Just Hand Over Territory To Russia https://t.co/ZOx9zcg7Lb

— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) December 9, 2021

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If true, it's a damned shame... did people not learn from pre-World War II appeasement strategies?

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Or maybe Europe has a better memory of what a full scale war can bring.

World War 3.0 won't be like 2.0. Hyper sonic missiles, cyber attacks, EMPs, super caveating torpedos, satellite weapons, etc. are game changers on the battle field. The modern world can/will be crippled within days if the big boys decide to go to the mattresses.

"Appeasing" Putin is probably best in this case. Don't risk a full scale conflict unless there are extreme national interests at play. Ukraine isn't exactly high on the national interests list other than being a pain in Russia's ass. Not worth it.

Same strategy should be considered with Taiwan....It's a much different world than it was in the 1930s.


Not to mention, our commander in chief and his replacement are ****ing ******s, who would lead us straight into defeat in a real war.

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Are you high?

WWI was the first war on an industrial scale, fought with chemical weapons, machine guns, tanks, and many other weapons the world had never used before. All previous wars paled in comparison.

And appeasement to avoid another round got the world even more death and destruction, murder on an industrial scale, nuclear weapons, and the Cold War.


All appeasement will ever do is reward, embolden, and incentivize aggression. It is never the answer.

UPDATE - Talks on peaceful settlement of Ukrainian crisis reached an impasse, says the Russian Foreign Ministry.

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) December 9, 2021

That's fine, then Europe can go to the mat. There's no reason they are unable to man up and defend themselves.

This idea they are infants incapable of defending their own homelands is ridiculous. The fact many of them rely on the enemy for their Nat Gas and Oil is beyond incredulous. They've made this bed for themselves.

Most NATO members have criminally underfunded their own defense by relying on the US. And this is after they agreed to a measly 2% in 2014. Time to make some tough decisions, the US shouldn't be subsidizing their defense beyond the nuclear umbrella. Of which Ukraine isn't party to.

MuchosPollos said:

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SpreadsheetAg said:

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will25u said:

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NEW: Biden Admin Plans To Advise Ukraine To Just Hand Over Territory To Russia https://t.co/ZOx9zcg7Lb

— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) December 9, 2021

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If true, it's a damned shame... did people not learn from pre-World War II appeasement strategies?

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Or maybe Europe has a better memory of what a full scale war can bring.

World War 3.0 won't be like 2.0. Hyper sonic missiles, cyber attacks, EMPs, super caveating torpedos, satellite weapons, etc. are game changers on the battle field. The modern world can/will be crippled within days if the big boys decide to go to the mattresses.

"Appeasing" Putin is probably best in this case. Don't risk a full scale conflict unless there are extreme national interests at play. Ukraine isn't exactly high on the national interests list other than being a pain in Russia's ass. Not worth it.

Same strategy should be considered with Taiwan....It's a much different world than it was in the 1930s.


Not to mention, our commander in chief and his replacement are ****ing ******s, who would lead us straight into defeat in a real war.

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Sully Dog said:

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Russia has a GDP smaller than Texas. If Russia doesn't win immediately, this thing could drag out for years and destroy the Russian economy. This isn't the same Ukraine that he picked a fight with in Crimea. The Ukrainians have well equipped armies and militias who are used to fighting technologically superior forces. They also have hand held anti-tank missles that could really drag things out.


I don't think Putin would risk that. Thus, this is just a bluff like the last time. He is flexing his muscles and looking for some sort of concession.

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And that is our angle. Supply the Ukrainians and train them for asymmetrical war and watch Russia sink in the mud. Its population is old unhealthy and stagnant just like their eco.

Russians should invade George Soros' bank accounts, there are more Ukrainian resources there than in the country itself.

What I would call an actual debate in the Senate between Cruz & Sheehan,
mainly over Nordstream Pipeline and its effect on the possible invasion...
Cruz says Putin would never risk destroying Ukraine's pipeline if it was not due to be replaced, but Sheehan has a counterargument, and they go back and forth.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Forbes+-+Cruz+Rips+Biden+Over+Ukraine&view=detail&mid=64158255B9E7E311F91164158255B9E7E311F911&FORM=VIRE

Edit: Cruz doesn't start until just before the 12-minute mark...but earlier Sheehan noted when he came into the Senate, and from her remarks, expected a battle.

BREAKING REPORT: Russian State TV Claims the US Will Be “REDUCED TO RADIOACTIVE ASH” If the US Doesn’t Meet Russia’s Demands Regarding Ukraine...

— Chuck Callesto (@ChuckCallesto) December 22, 2021

I believe Putin's threats more than I do Biden's ...

Here's a quick history refresher how it got to this point: BACKGROUND

Why should we care who rules Ukraine? Weren't they the ones (among others) who bribed our politicians to do their bidding? Feeding them into Putin's maw might be a salutory lesson for others who like to corrupt our political process.

Jayhawk said:

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Why should we care who rules Ukraine? Weren't they the ones (among others) who bribed our politicians to do their bidding? Feeding them into Putin's maw might be a salutory lesson for others who like to corrupt our political process.

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Because NATO is the definition of scope creep and from the Russian point of view, we keep encroaching on the Russian "Sphere of Influence".
How would feel if your neighbor kept moving the fence line closer to you repeatedly under threat of beating you up, claiming the land under adverse procession, and then when you fight back he accuses you of being a bully?

There's something to that sentiment, but it's not land it's countries with people who largely aren't Russian and ideally have a say regarding which sphere of influence they may fall.

Still your point remains that Russia will push back against the continuing encroachment.

PUTIN: "We are not the ones that deploy missiles next to the U.S. borders. That's the other way around...What would Americans do if we went to the border between Canada and the U.S. or to the border with Mexico and deploy our missiles there?"pic.twitter.com/bKffuM5qZT

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) December 23, 2021

Looks like Vlad wants to put the band back together

Did I see where Biden has now walked back from his walk back? Saw a headline that we might go into Ukraine if Russia invades.