***** OFFICIAL Russia v. Ukraine *****

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TRM said:

More car companies leaving Russia.



Your move, ADIDAS
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Emotional Support Cobra said:

TRM said:

More car companies leaving Russia.



Your move, ADIDAS
I am old enough to remember when there was a black market inside the USSR for blue jeans.

They should be that isolated again.
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Sad if true
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Under NATO the US could have promised to replace existing airframes with new equipment and deployed its own USAF fighter squadrons to shore up their defenses in the meantime
Moving USAF fighter squadrons into place would be a huge escalation.
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Under NATO the US could have promised to replace existing airframes with new equipment and deployed its own USAF fighter squadrons to shore up their defenses in the meantime
Moving USAF fighter squadrons into place would be a huge escalation.
It is getting harder and harder to muster much fear of a nuclear attack by Russia.

But one thing is getting clearer by the day. NATO is meaningless.
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TRM said:







So strange. WTF are they doing?
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45-70Ag said:

That video is why i don't buy the nonsense of it's just Ukraine, let it fall. Anyone who can watch that and say let them figure this out and oh well………… is as sick as the Russians.

It won't stop there, Putin will turn his attention to another region/country with the world giving him the green light to do so.
and so will the next thug(s). Evil must be checked. I do not want us to get involved either but I would rather conduct combat operations to stop this indiscriminate killing of civilians from an unjust invasion than just the shooting down of one of our own war fighters. Deterrence requires constant sacrifice.
“You can resolve to live your life with integrity. Let your credo be this: Let the lie come into the world, let it even triumph. But not through me.”
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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TRM said:


The moment Biden "won" Putin knew he had a green light to do whatever he wanted. The EU and Britain wouldn't do anything without the US leading the charge. Neither would NATO.
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If no more major sanctions come in from now on, and the Russians reach a desirable outcome in Ukraine within the next 3 days, is it possible that it was worth it for them?

I'd like to get opinions from the finance people, but the economic sanctions seem overhyped. Their currency has depreciated 20% so far, and the stock market remains closed, but some economists in the WSJ claimed their GDP would only decrease ~5% or so. It's a hefty hit, but if it's temporary (only lasts a few years) I could see an argument that Ukraine is strategically and economically more valuable than what they've given up.

Are we expecting their economic situation to deteriorate further? Because it doesn't seem like they are totally devastated yet, unless I'm missing something.
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TRM said:

Sad if true

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10thYrSr said:

Are you guys saying SAMs prevent aircraft from flying?
no, but they make it hard to land if they are in pieces
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Seems like they thought it would be Crimea 2.0 but walked into a hornets' nest instead. Sounds like they're taking heavy losses and getting ****ed up, too. I'm thinking casualties have to be north of 5,000, and maybe even 10,000, along with billions in equipment. Even if they somehow "win" it's been a complete **** show and those soldiers are going to go home and talk all about it.
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TRM said:


Not insignificant

Thats a NATO member that has severed diplomatic ties with Russia. That has to be a first.
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Lines today in Moscow.
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TChaney said:


Typical russians.

"Lets blow up the big tower....OH S**T which way is it going to fall?!?!"
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More on the security

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Anyone think we might get more than we bargained for by completely wrecking the Russian economy via sanctions?

I think we've seen this one before.
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Anyone think we might get more than we bargained for by completely wrecking the Russian economy via sanctions?

I think we've seen this one before.


That's my fear.
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Dilettante said:

If no more major sanctions come in from now on, and the Russians reach a desirable outcome in Ukraine within the next 3 days, is it possible that it was worth it for them?

I'd like to get opinions from the finance people, but the economic sanctions seem overhyped. Their currency has depreciated 20% so far, and the stock market remains closed, but some economists in the WSJ claimed their GDP would only decrease ~5% or so. It's a hefty hit, but if it's temporary (only lasts a few years) I could see an argument that Ukraine is strategically and economically more valuable than what they've given up.

Are we expecting their economic situation to deteriorate further? Because it doesn't seem like they are totally devastated yet, unless I'm missing something.


Sanctions will likely keep coming and stay until Russia leaves. This has been a humanitarian **** show, and I think the EU and US are going to insist on Russia returning to the status quo before they're willing to do the same. They've learned their lesson on appeasement and Russian land grabs, and they know that allowing them to keep anything will simply encourage them to try again in a few years. They've gone too far this time, and I think much of the world wants to ensure they don't try again.
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ABATTBQ11 said:

Dilettante said:

If no more major sanctions come in from now on, and the Russians reach a desirable outcome in Ukraine within the next 3 days, is it possible that it was worth it for them?

I'd like to get opinions from the finance people, but the economic sanctions seem overhyped. Their currency has depreciated 20% so far, and the stock market remains closed, but some economists in the WSJ claimed their GDP would only decrease ~5% or so. It's a hefty hit, but if it's temporary (only lasts a few years) I could see an argument that Ukraine is strategically and economically more valuable than what they've given up.

Are we expecting their economic situation to deteriorate further? Because it doesn't seem like they are totally devastated yet, unless I'm missing something.


Sanctions will likely keep coming and stay until Russia leaves. This has been a humanitarian **** show, and I think the EU and US are going to insist on Russia returning to the status quo before they're willing to do the same. They've learned their lesson on appeasement and Russian land grabs, and they know that allowing them to keep anything will simply encourage them to try again in a few years. They've gone too far this time, and I think much of the world wants to ensure they don't try again.
Frankly, the sanctions should remain in place until Russia completely dismantles their ability to wage war again, but that might just be wishful thinking.
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Bubblez said:

ABATTBQ11 said:

Dilettante said:

If no more major sanctions come in from now on, and the Russians reach a desirable outcome in Ukraine within the next 3 days, is it possible that it was worth it for them?

I'd like to get opinions from the finance people, but the economic sanctions seem overhyped. Their currency has depreciated 20% so far, and the stock market remains closed, but some economists in the WSJ claimed their GDP would only decrease ~5% or so. It's a hefty hit, but if it's temporary (only lasts a few years) I could see an argument that Ukraine is strategically and economically more valuable than what they've given up.

Are we expecting their economic situation to deteriorate further? Because it doesn't seem like they are totally devastated yet, unless I'm missing something.


Sanctions will likely keep coming and stay until Russia leaves. This has been a humanitarian **** show, and I think the EU and US are going to insist on Russia returning to the status quo before they're willing to do the same. They've learned their lesson on appeasement and Russian land grabs, and they know that allowing them to keep anything will simply encourage them to try again in a few years. They've gone too far this time, and I think much of the world wants to ensure they don't try again.
Frankly, the sanctions should remain in place until Russia completely dismantles their ability to wage war again, but that might just be wishful thinking.


I don't think the end in natos mind is clearly defined nor will we define it for Russia. Think we are going to keep sanctions in place until the government is overthrown by the people or the oligarchs.

It's inevitable at this point as long as we keep up the pressure. The terrible part though is on the mean time innocent Ukrainians are getting slaughtered
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Agthatbuilds said:




The original statement that we'd doubled oil imports from Russia in the last year was deemed "mostly false" on the semantics of crude oil imports vs oil imports. To s last person, they're the same even if they have very different definitions in practice by economists and the oil industry. That's not, "mostly false."
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Agreed.
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Looks like Russia has a mud problem
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