Definition of terms:

Liberal/Conservative has nothing to do with what problems you'd like society to address or solve.

Rather it's how you want them addressed or solved.

If you believe that government should solve societal problems (e.g. heal the sick, feed the hungry, clothe the naked) - then you are a liberal.

In general statist vs non-statist is a better distinction.

Because if you, for instance, see other things as societal problems that government should solve (drug use, homosexual behaviors, etc) then you may think you're a "conservative" but you're really just another statist.

RockTXAggie said:

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This isn't meant to be an inflammatory thread.

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Don't believe you because no one on this forum ever debates in good faith. Look at the FIRST post below you. That's the culture of this forum.

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Just genuinely curious as to what issues are most important for liberal voters these days now that your party is in power.

As we watched in VA, the democrats sole focus was about racism and Youngkin being Trump, etc. Policy issues were virtually non-existent.

I can't imagine this stuff actually resonates with your base, does it? Additionally, I think anyone with a functioning brain would prefer Trump over what's happening now so I'm not sure why Trump is continuing being brought up as a point of discussion.

Anyway, what issues do you care about most and are they being addressed to your satisfaction?

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The most important issues for me are: Healthcare, Education, Housing and Climate Change.

As for the VA race; I don't care what VA dems did. I think any Democrat that runs on "not being Trump" is a stupid strategy meant to be consumed by stupid people. People on the left are just as thirsty to consume Anti-Trump rhetoric as people on the right are to sloganize "FJB" and "Lets Go Brandon." Culture war BS is exhausting and I hate the Dems keep waltzing into that battlefield.

Biden's infrastructure bill's INTENT was something I very much was looking forward to but now that he's been ****ed by Manchin and Sinema it's basically a victory banner for Republicans. So far the only thing Biden has done that I "like" is repealing Trumps EOs and re-joining the Paris Climate Agreement (which literally any Dem candidate would have done, so he doesn't really get kudos for that). Overall Biden presidency has been about as I expected (though I had hoped for more).

RockTXAggie said:

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This isn't meant to be an inflammatory thread. Just genuinely curious as to what issues are most important for liberal voters these days now that your party is in power.

As we watched in VA, the democrats sole focus was about racism and Youngkin being Trump, etc. Policy issues were virtually non-existent.

I can't imagine this stuff actually resonates with your base, does it? Additionally, I think anyone with a functioning brain would prefer Trump over what's happening now so I'm not sure why Trump is continuing being brought up as a point of discussion.

Anyway, what issues do you care about most and are they being addressed to your satisfaction?

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They probably know anytime Trump is invoked in a bad way, their base agrees with anything said after that without reservation or hesitation.

• Donald Trump is racist....we're going to take 60% of your wealth. Libs: yes, right on!!!
• Donald Trump is a misogynist....we're going to make you less safe. Libs: yes, right on!!!
• Donald Trump caused Covid....we're going to lock you in your home with mandates. Libs: yes, right on!!!
• Donald Trump is unfit for office....Biden: truinternationprzsure gobbledgook. Libs: yes, right on!!!

You get the picture...invoking Trump with them is red meat for their hardcore base but is probably losing those in the middle who maybe voted Dem this time because they were tired of Trump but see the destruction Dem policies are causing.

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When threads are started asking liberals their opinion on something, how often do real liberals actually respond? .5% of the time, maybe? Usually it turns into a bunch of so-called conservatives attempting to answer for them with the most hyperbolic answer they can come up with for blue stars.

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I'm a liberal and what I want is lower taxes, smaller government, individual freedom, a complete halt to illegal immigration, the 60% who don't lay taxes to start paying taxes, and most departments in the Federal government abolished. That's a good start.

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This word. It doesn't mean what you think it means.
Perhaps you believe in classical liberalism, but I think we all know that the term "liberal(ism)" has been very well *******ized. Today's liberals/left are a far cry from classical liberals.

Trump's EOs worked and improved the economy. Why did you want them undone?

Kudos for replying honestly. I agree it's often one-sided, but I for one am down with good old honest debate.

Just one question for you. Why do you think the government should get involved of any of those things? Do you really think these bills will functionally do anything other than increase the debt and government bureaucracy?

Agree. The term " liberal"'has been *******ized mostly by the press but it's become so widely adopted now that maybe there's no turning back. It's an insult to a classic liberal to
Be lumped in with leftist statists imo. I think
We should call Marxists and leftists exactly that, not
Liberals.

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RockTXAggie said:

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This isn't meant to be an inflammatory thread.

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Don't believe you because no one on this forum ever debates in good faith. Look at the FIRST post below you. That's the culture of this forum.

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Just genuinely curious as to what issues are most important for liberal voters these days now that your party is in power.

As we watched in VA, the democrats sole focus was about racism and Youngkin being Trump, etc. Policy issues were virtually non-existent.

I can't imagine this stuff actually resonates with your base, does it? Additionally, I think anyone with a functioning brain would prefer Trump over what's happening now so I'm not sure why Trump is continuing being brought up as a point of discussion.

Anyway, what issues do you care about most and are they being addressed to your satisfaction?

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The most important issues for me are: Healthcare, Education, Housing and Climate Change.

As for the VA race; I don't care what VA dems did. I think any Democrat that runs on "not being Trump" is a stupid strategy meant to be consumed by stupid people. People on the left are just as thirsty to consume Anti-Trump rhetoric as people on the right are to sloganize "FJB" and "Lets Go Brandon." Culture war BS is exhausting and I hate the Dems keep waltzing into that battlefield.

Biden's infrastructure bill's INTENT was something I very much was looking forward to but now that he's been ****ed by Manchin and Sinema it's basically a victory banner for Republicans. So far the only thing Biden has done that I "like" is repealing Trumps EOs and re-joining the Paris Climate Agreement (which literally any Dem candidate would have done, so he doesn't really get kudos for that). Overall Biden presidency has been about as I expected (though I had hoped for more).

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But you didn't say how they should be dealt with

State with specificity what the government should do to address these issues

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and re-joining the Paris Climate Agreement (which literally any Dem candidate would have done, so he doesn't really get kudos for that).

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Seriously, whatever for? The U.N. itself said we didn't need to, and that we had done well.

Why join something limiting? Especially without expecting the elite to dial down at all?

Captain Pablo said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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RockTXAggie said:

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This isn't meant to be an inflammatory thread.

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Don't believe you because no one on this forum ever debates in good faith. Look at the FIRST post below you. That's the culture of this forum.

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Just genuinely curious as to what issues are most important for liberal voters these days now that your party is in power.

As we watched in VA, the democrats sole focus was about racism and Youngkin being Trump, etc. Policy issues were virtually non-existent.

I can't imagine this stuff actually resonates with your base, does it? Additionally, I think anyone with a functioning brain would prefer Trump over what's happening now so I'm not sure why Trump is continuing being brought up as a point of discussion.

Anyway, what issues do you care about most and are they being addressed to your satisfaction?

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The most important issues for me are: Healthcare, Education, Housing and Climate Change.

As for the VA race; I don't care what VA dems did. I think any Democrat that runs on "not being Trump" is a stupid strategy meant to be consumed by stupid people. People on the left are just as thirsty to consume Anti-Trump rhetoric as people on the right are to sloganize "FJB" and "Lets Go Brandon." Culture war BS is exhausting and I hate the Dems keep waltzing into that battlefield.

Biden's infrastructure bill's INTENT was something I very much was looking forward to but now that he's been ****ed by Manchin and Sinema it's basically a victory banner for Republicans. So far the only thing Biden has done that I "like" is repealing Trumps EOs and re-joining the Paris Climate Agreement (which literally any Dem candidate would have done, so he doesn't really get kudos for that). Overall Biden presidency has been about as I expected (though I had hoped for more).

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But you didn't say how they should be dealt with

State with specificity what the government should do to address these issues

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Also, that's a whole lot of nonsense to say absolutely nothing. Explain why you like the Paris agreement when we outperformed it when we left. Which EOs needed to be repealed and why? What was Biden's intent with the infrastructure bill?

Saying you like ideas in the abstract with no conception of how to implement them is the most liberal thing you conveyed.

Captain Pablo said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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RockTXAggie said:

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This isn't meant to be an inflammatory thread.

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Don't believe you because no one on this forum ever debates in good faith. Look at the FIRST post below you. That's the culture of this forum.

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Just genuinely curious as to what issues are most important for liberal voters these days now that your party is in power.

As we watched in VA, the democrats sole focus was about racism and Youngkin being Trump, etc. Policy issues were virtually non-existent.

I can't imagine this stuff actually resonates with your base, does it? Additionally, I think anyone with a functioning brain would prefer Trump over what's happening now so I'm not sure why Trump is continuing being brought up as a point of discussion.

Anyway, what issues do you care about most and are they being addressed to your satisfaction?

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The most important issues for me are: Healthcare, Education, Housing and Climate Change.

As for the VA race; I don't care what VA dems did. I think any Democrat that runs on "not being Trump" is a stupid strategy meant to be consumed by stupid people. People on the left are just as thirsty to consume Anti-Trump rhetoric as people on the right are to sloganize "FJB" and "Lets Go Brandon." Culture war BS is exhausting and I hate the Dems keep waltzing into that battlefield.

Biden's infrastructure bill's INTENT was something I very much was looking forward to but now that he's been ****ed by Manchin and Sinema it's basically a victory banner for Republicans. So far the only thing Biden has done that I "like" is repealing Trumps EOs and re-joining the Paris Climate Agreement (which literally any Dem candidate would have done, so he doesn't really get kudos for that). Overall Biden presidency has been about as I expected (though I had hoped for more).

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But you didn't say how they should be dealt with

State with specificity what the government should do to address these issues

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Take some of your money and give it to others that don't work.

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Agree. The term " liberal"'has been *******ized mostly by the press but it's become so widely adopted now that maybe there's no turning back. It's an insult to a classic liberal to
Be lumped in with leftist statists imo. I think
We should call Marxists and leftists exactly that, not
Liberals.

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Any true liberals are now voting exclusively Republican. Those who continue to pull the lever for Dems are either fools clinging to tradition and facade or marxists.

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Kudos for replying honestly. I agree it's often one-sided, but I for one am down with good old honest debate.

Just one question for you. Why do you think the government should get involved of any of those things? Do you really think these bills will functionally do anything other than increase the debt and government bureaucracy?

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Unless you're the most die hard libertarian, we can agree that 'some' level of government oversight is needed in a functioning society, correct? So it's really a matter to what degree.

Healthcare for example, the issue with the current system is 2 fold:
a) It's tied to your job. I don't have the latest unemployment figures at hand but last time I recall there was something like 40m Americans without a job (and thus without reliable healthcare). And that says nothing to the minimum wage class that often is under covered as well. I believe Food, Shelter, Education and Healthcare to be basic human RIGHTS. It's unacceptable for any American citizen to die (or be unable to pursue life, liberty and happiness) because they simply didn't have enough money to afford the care they need.

b) Healthcare can't operate as a free market because it isn't. The basic tenants of 'supply/demand' don't function when the goods are medicine. If you're selling a car, the invisible hand of free market economy will dictate what it's worth based on a consumer's willingness to pay for it. At a certain price, no one will buy that car. But for a diabetic, there is no price they wouldn't pay to obtain insulin. They NEED insulin to live. And it's **** like that that leads to insane price gauging across the entirety of healthcare. Govt regulation/intervention is necessary imo.

tl;dr - The role of government is to protect its citizens. The role of corporations is to maximize profit. Things like healthcare cannot be handled through the lens of a business.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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RockTXAggie said:

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This isn't meant to be an inflammatory thread.

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Don't believe you because no one on this forum ever debates in good faith. Look at the FIRST post below you. That's the culture of this forum.

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Just genuinely curious as to what issues are most important for liberal voters these days now that your party is in power.

As we watched in VA, the democrats sole focus was about racism and Youngkin being Trump, etc. Policy issues were virtually non-existent.

I can't imagine this stuff actually resonates with your base, does it? Additionally, I think anyone with a functioning brain would prefer Trump over what's happening now so I'm not sure why Trump is continuing being brought up as a point of discussion.

Anyway, what issues do you care about most and are they being addressed to your satisfaction?

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The most important issues for me are: Healthcare, Education, Housing and Climate Change.

As for the VA race; I don't care what VA dems did. I think any Democrat that runs on "not being Trump" is a stupid strategy meant to be consumed by stupid people. People on the left are just as thirsty to consume Anti-Trump rhetoric as people on the right are to sloganize "FJB" and "Lets Go Brandon." Culture war BS is exhausting and I hate the Dems keep waltzing into that battlefield.

Biden's infrastructure bill's INTENT was something I very much was looking forward to but now that he's been ****ed by Manchin and Sinema it's basically a victory banner for Republicans. So far the only thing Biden has done that I "like" is repealing Trumps EOs and re-joining the Paris Climate Agreement (which literally any Dem candidate would have done, so he doesn't really get kudos for that). Overall Biden presidency has been about as I expected (though I had hoped for more).

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Kvetch said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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RockTXAggie said:

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This isn't meant to be an inflammatory thread.

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Don't believe you because no one on this forum ever debates in good faith. Look at the FIRST post below you. That's the culture of this forum.

Quote:

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Just genuinely curious as to what issues are most important for liberal voters these days now that your party is in power.

As we watched in VA, the democrats sole focus was about racism and Youngkin being Trump, etc. Policy issues were virtually non-existent.

I can't imagine this stuff actually resonates with your base, does it? Additionally, I think anyone with a functioning brain would prefer Trump over what's happening now so I'm not sure why Trump is continuing being brought up as a point of discussion.

Anyway, what issues do you care about most and are they being addressed to your satisfaction?

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The most important issues for me are: Healthcare, Education, Housing and Climate Change.

As for the VA race; I don't care what VA dems did. I think any Democrat that runs on "not being Trump" is a stupid strategy meant to be consumed by stupid people. People on the left are just as thirsty to consume Anti-Trump rhetoric as people on the right are to sloganize "FJB" and "Lets Go Brandon." Culture war BS is exhausting and I hate the Dems keep waltzing into that battlefield.

Biden's infrastructure bill's INTENT was something I very much was looking forward to but now that he's been ****ed by Manchin and Sinema it's basically a victory banner for Republicans. So far the only thing Biden has done that I "like" is repealing Trumps EOs and re-joining the Paris Climate Agreement (which literally any Dem candidate would have done, so he doesn't really get kudos for that). Overall Biden presidency has been about as I expected (though I had hoped for more).

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But you didn't say how they should be dealt with

State with specificity what the government should do to address these issues

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Also, that's a whole lot of nonsense to say absolutely nothing. Explain why you like the Paris agreement when we outperformed it when we left. Which EOs needed to be repealed and why? What was Biden's intent with the infrastructure bill?

Saying you like ideas in the abstract with no conception of how to implement them is the most liberal thing you conveyed.

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Because OP didn't ask me to and because any 1 of those topics could be page long debates? Do you think you're even being remotely fair right now?

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The role of government is to protect its citizens.

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Disagree, but kudos for answering.

It's useful to distill the place and purpose of government in society to one simple, overriding statement.

Details after than can be a challenge, but if there's no agreement on the fundamental purpose - discussion probably isn't fruitful.

For me the purpose of government is to ensure individual liberty.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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Kvetch said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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RockTXAggie said:

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This isn't meant to be an inflammatory thread.

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Don't believe you because no one on this forum ever debates in good faith. Look at the FIRST post below you. That's the culture of this forum.

Quote:

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Just genuinely curious as to what issues are most important for liberal voters these days now that your party is in power.

As we watched in VA, the democrats sole focus was about racism and Youngkin being Trump, etc. Policy issues were virtually non-existent.

I can't imagine this stuff actually resonates with your base, does it? Additionally, I think anyone with a functioning brain would prefer Trump over what's happening now so I'm not sure why Trump is continuing being brought up as a point of discussion.

Anyway, what issues do you care about most and are they being addressed to your satisfaction?

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The most important issues for me are: Healthcare, Education, Housing and Climate Change.

As for the VA race; I don't care what VA dems did. I think any Democrat that runs on "not being Trump" is a stupid strategy meant to be consumed by stupid people. People on the left are just as thirsty to consume Anti-Trump rhetoric as people on the right are to sloganize "FJB" and "Lets Go Brandon." Culture war BS is exhausting and I hate the Dems keep waltzing into that battlefield.

Biden's infrastructure bill's INTENT was something I very much was looking forward to but now that he's been ****ed by Manchin and Sinema it's basically a victory banner for Republicans. So far the only thing Biden has done that I "like" is repealing Trumps EOs and re-joining the Paris Climate Agreement (which literally any Dem candidate would have done, so he doesn't really get kudos for that). Overall Biden presidency has been about as I expected (though I had hoped for more).

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But you didn't say how they should be dealt with

State with specificity what the government should do to address these issues

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Also, that's a whole lot of nonsense to say absolutely nothing. Explain why you like the Paris agreement when we outperformed it when we left. Which EOs needed to be repealed and why? What was Biden's intent with the infrastructure bill?

Saying you like ideas in the abstract with no conception of how to implement them is the most liberal thing you conveyed.

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Because OP didn't ask me to and because any 1 of those topics could be page long debates? Do you think you're even being remotely fair right now?

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Yes. I do. Expound.

Kvetch said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Kvetch said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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RockTXAggie said:

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This isn't meant to be an inflammatory thread.

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Don't believe you because no one on this forum ever debates in good faith. Look at the FIRST post below you. That's the culture of this forum.

Quote:

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Just genuinely curious as to what issues are most important for liberal voters these days now that your party is in power.

As we watched in VA, the democrats sole focus was about racism and Youngkin being Trump, etc. Policy issues were virtually non-existent.

I can't imagine this stuff actually resonates with your base, does it? Additionally, I think anyone with a functioning brain would prefer Trump over what's happening now so I'm not sure why Trump is continuing being brought up as a point of discussion.

Anyway, what issues do you care about most and are they being addressed to your satisfaction?

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The most important issues for me are: Healthcare, Education, Housing and Climate Change.

As for the VA race; I don't care what VA dems did. I think any Democrat that runs on "not being Trump" is a stupid strategy meant to be consumed by stupid people. People on the left are just as thirsty to consume Anti-Trump rhetoric as people on the right are to sloganize "FJB" and "Lets Go Brandon." Culture war BS is exhausting and I hate the Dems keep waltzing into that battlefield.

Biden's infrastructure bill's INTENT was something I very much was looking forward to but now that he's been ****ed by Manchin and Sinema it's basically a victory banner for Republicans. So far the only thing Biden has done that I "like" is repealing Trumps EOs and re-joining the Paris Climate Agreement (which literally any Dem candidate would have done, so he doesn't really get kudos for that). Overall Biden presidency has been about as I expected (though I had hoped for more).

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But you didn't say how they should be dealt with

State with specificity what the government should do to address these issues

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Also, that's a whole lot of nonsense to say absolutely nothing. Explain why you like the Paris agreement when we outperformed it when we left. Which EOs needed to be repealed and why? What was Biden's intent with the infrastructure bill?

Saying you like ideas in the abstract with no conception of how to implement them is the most liberal thing you conveyed.

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Because OP didn't ask me to and because any 1 of those topics could be page long debates? Do you think you're even being remotely fair right now?

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Yes. I do. Expound.

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I posted a little bit about healthcare above. Feel free to peruse at your leisure!

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File5 said:

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Kudos for replying honestly. I agree it's often one-sided, but I for one am down with good old honest debate.

Just one question for you. Why do you think the government should get involved of any of those things? Do you really think these bills will functionally do anything other than increase the debt and government bureaucracy?

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Unless you're the most die hard libertarian, we can agree that 'some' level of government oversight is needed in a functioning society, correct? So it's really a matter to what degree.

Healthcare for example, the issue with the current system is 2 fold:
a) It's tied to your job. I don't have the latest unemployment figures at hand but last time I recall there was something like 40m Americans without a job (and thus without reliable healthcare). And that says nothing to the minimum wage class that often is under covered as well. I believe Food, Shelter, Education and Healthcare to be basic human RIGHTS. It's unacceptable for any American citizen to die (or be unable to pursue life, liberty and happiness) because they simply didn't have enough money to afford the care they need.

b) Healthcare can't operate as a free market because it isn't. The basic tenants of 'supply/demand' don't function when the goods are medicine. If you're selling a car, the invisible hand of free market economy will dictate what it's worth based on a consumer's willingness to pay for it. At a certain price, no one will buy that car. But for a diabetic, there is no price they wouldn't pay to obtain insulin. They NEED insulin to live. And it's **** like that that leads to insane price gauging across the entirety of healthcare. Govt regulation/intervention is necessary imo.

tl;dr - The role of government is to protect its citizens. The role of corporations is to maximize profit. Things like healthcare cannot be handled through the lens of a business.

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You've ignored the fact that the pharmaceutical companies make no money if nobody can afford insulin. It's also much more complex considering the insurance companies negotiate the rates with the pharmaceutical companies, not the consumer.

The US has more expensive healthcare. However, we also fund almost all drug R&D through the costs of our system which gives us access to better drugs. Not to mention the US regulatory process is the gold standard for the world, which means drug approval costs more here. There are a ton of factors involved, but the main issues are the incentives of the insurance companies and consumers don't align and there a ton of anti-competitive regulations between insurance markets that prevent competitive negotiation. There's room for reform, and I have less of a problem with tax-subsidized low income options (assuming other entitlements are cut), but state sponsored healthcare will do nothing but ruin our system.

They believe in communism. Even the ones that don't push policies that lead to it.

Liberalism always becomes more and more liberal more and more accepting, until it accepts what it should not. Such is its nature. That's why liberalism is a mental disorder. Emphasis on disorder. It ruins everything. Slowly but surely.

Many things

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Culture war BS is exhausting and I hate the Dems keep waltzing into that battlefield.

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This was inevitable after every institution in the Democratic machine devolved into a Marcusian singularity. Culture wars are the framework of the apparat.

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I am extremely liberal, as evidenced by my responses, but I get accused of being a liberal, rightly so, all the time on this board, so...

(no particular order)

• Ending the death penalty
• Protecting and healing the environment (both local and global)
• Protecting human dignity in the workplace (living wage, addressing SEVERE wealth disparity, better parenting support, more worker ownership)
• Fix immigration law to allow for protection of refugees, as well as a healthy ability to find talented workers
• Fixing injustice in criminal sentencing
• Eliminating for-profit prisons
• Address generational wealth accumulation disparities- especially in property ownership
• National Championship for the Ags

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FIFY

Actually not a conservative based on this.

Athanasius said:

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I'm a conservative, but I get accused of being a liberal all the time on this board, so...

(no particular order)

• Ending the death penalty
• Protecting and healing the environment (both local and global)
• Protecting human dignity in the workplace (living wage, addressing SEVERE wealth disparity, better parenting support, more worker ownership)
• Fix immigration law to allow for protection of refugees, as well as a healthy ability to find talented workers
• Fixing injustice in criminal sentencing
• Eliminating for-profit prisons
• Address generational wealth accumulation disparities- especially in property ownership
• National Championship for the Ags

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You're not a conservative buddy. It's ok. I don't care. Just saying.

So you believe in CRT and intersectionality. You're a lib.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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File5 said:

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Kudos for replying honestly. I agree it's often one-sided, but I for one am down with good old honest debate.

Just one question for you. Why do you think the government should get involved of any of those things? Do you really think these bills will functionally do anything other than increase the debt and government bureaucracy?

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Unless you're the most die hard libertarian, we can agree that 'some' level of government oversight is needed in a functioning society, correct? So it's really a matter to what degree.

Healthcare for example, the issue with the current system is 2 fold:
a) It's tied to your job. I don't have the latest unemployment figures at hand but last time I recall there was something like 40m Americans without a job (and thus without reliable healthcare). And that says nothing to the minimum wage class that often is under covered as well. I believe Food, Shelter, Education and Healthcare to be basic human RIGHTS. It's unacceptable for any American citizen to die (or be unable to pursue life, liberty and happiness) because they simply didn't have enough money to afford the care they need.

b) Healthcare can't operate as a free market because it isn't. The basic tenants of 'supply/demand' don't function when the goods are medicine. If you're selling a car, the invisible hand of free market economy will dictate what it's worth based on a consumer's willingness to pay for it. At a certain price, no one will buy that car. But for a diabetic, there is no price they wouldn't pay to obtain insulin. They NEED insulin to live. And it's **** like that that leads to insane price gauging across the entirety of healthcare. Govt regulation/intervention is necessary imo.

tl;dr - The role of government is to protect its citizens. The role of corporations is to maximize profit. Things like healthcare cannot be handled through the lens of a business.

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The passage of the Affordable Care Act allowed people to no longer have their Insurance tied to their job.

Whether or not you confused healthcare with insurance or were trying to be deceitful I'll never know.

My employer is self-insured and offers coverage to both Full and Part time employees. We probably have openings for 40 PT positions that work early mornings or start after 1700. The 40m Americans you stated are unemployed are not all unemployed because they can't find jobs.

• Reform SNAP
• Bring back vocational education and HS summer internships
• Make college loans, starting in 2022, forgiven in bankruptcy hearings
• Legalize the kind bud and make it an OTC medicine for people over the age of 18.
• Ban roundabouts built with federal funds
• When building prisons, have them on enough land to grow produce and raise chickens. This also can give them experience when released.
• Stop promoting the idea that because I am as pale as Casper the friendly ghost that my poor, white trash self had some privilege that I didn't bust my ass for.
• OXFORD COMMA! ALL DAY! EVERY SENTENCE WITH LISTING OBJECTS!
• Stop it with the microaggression bull**** because someone asks what a chitterling is. Do you know what goes into a Victoria Sandwich? No? Then STFU
• Make openin day for an MLB team an excused absence.
• Constitutional amendments for the following:
Ending the DHAllowing Pete Rose to be voted on for the MLB Hall of Fame.Stop replacing Halloween with Fall Festivals.

• Harsher penalties for illegal immigrant workers and their employers
• Stop pushing this cancel culture crap. You do not have a right to never be offended. Grown ups just ignore it or mock it. Hence my child no longer dances the floss.
• At least double the amount of money that is currently spent on mental health for Vets.
• Jane Austen deserves her own set of USPS stamps.

That is all for now

I'm not sure about the college loans part, but I'd vote for everything else!

Counterpoint said:

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I'm not sure about the college loans part, but I'd vote for everything else!

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my reasoning is if the government isn't going to back them, then maybe people don't spend 100K on a masters in Puppetry because few will fund it

Values:
Equality of opportunity
Future better than present
Freedoms expressed in the BoR

Issues:
1. The economy
2. Safety net for the poor
3. Education
4. Decarbonizing energy
5. Law and order
6. National cultural identity distinct from individual identity

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Killing babies, destroying capitalism, class envy and calling anyone in their way racists.

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Brevity is a virtue.

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Counterpoint said:

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I'm not sure about the college loans part, but I'd vote for everything else!

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my reasoning is if the government isn't going to back them, then maybe people don't spend 100K on a masters in Puppetry because few will fund it

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Is this the diploma?

Athanasius said:

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I'm a conservative, but I get accused of being a liberal all the time on this board, so...

(no particular order)

• Ending the death penalty
• Protecting and healing the environment (both local and global)
• Protecting human dignity in the workplace (living wage, addressing SEVERE wealth disparity, better parenting support, more worker ownership)
• Fix immigration law to allow for protection of refugees, as well as a healthy ability to find talented workers
• Fixing injustice in criminal sentencing
• Eliminating for-profit prisons
• Address generational wealth accumulation disparities- especially in property ownership
• National Championship for the Ags

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