Bubblez said:

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ShaggySLC said:

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Bubblez said:

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Science Denier said:

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Do libs now like drunk drivers? Dude drove away multiple times drunk, endangering every single driver he came across.

This dude got shot. Everyone is now safer.

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That is no reason to execute the guy.

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A drunk driver has never killed anyone? You have no clue what that guy could have done.

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So we execute someone now for a crime not yet committed?

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He committed plenty of crimes by then. All documented in dash and body cam. Used a deadly weapon to advance on the cop.

Boom boom dead. Screw him. Good shoot.

Bubblez said:

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ShaggySLC said:

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Bubblez said:

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Science Denier said:

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Do libs now like drunk drivers? Dude drove away multiple times drunk, endangering every single driver he came across.

This dude got shot. Everyone is now safer.

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That is no reason to execute the guy.

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A drunk driver has never killed anyone? You have no clue what that guy could have done.

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So we execute someone now for a crime not yet committed?

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He committed multiple felonies, he was shot because he put a police officer doing his job in a situation where he doesn't know what the drivers intent was. Don't want to be shot, don't run, pull over and follow simple instructions. Its not hard to do and you're making excuses for him which will create more of these situations. Sucks he was shot but better him than an innocent person on the road or in a house as he tries to make his escape. Quit excusing dumbass behavior and maybe you'll see less of it.

I almost always side with the cops, but this was not justified. This cop will go to prison.

The guy was driving like 6 MPH.

People are seriously justifying this shooting? Everyone watch the bottom video. Jfc.

That cop should get death penalty.

Bubblez said:

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Science Denier said:

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Do libs now like drunk drivers? Dude drove away multiple times drunk, endangering every single driver he came across.

This dude got shot. Everyone is now safer.

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That is no reason to execute the guy.

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I mean he's trying to flee the scene while in possession of a lethal weapon. I'm not gonna lose any sleep over this guy getting himself killed.

What we really need to know is this…was the officer using a prop gun?

ABATTBQ11 said:

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Ok, one person. Definitely deserves to be fired. Prosecuted, probably not.

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So in your opinion, the cops should simply follow the guy around in their cars until he complies and stops the vehicle?

OG UNF said:

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That cop should get death penalty.

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Man, the good cop apps will be drying up quick. Have you ever been around an actual criminal?

Just to tick off the haters again.

DAMN GOOD SHOOT.

Frederick Palowaski said:

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Hey nai06 is just checking in to s*** all over police again.

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LOL, I didn't say anything. I just provided the videos of the incident because the article from the OP didn't really show much.

Bubblez said:

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ShaggySLC said:

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Bubblez said:

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Science Denier said:

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Do libs now like drunk drivers? Dude drove away multiple times drunk, endangering every single driver he came across.

This dude got shot. Everyone is now safer.

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That is no reason to execute the guy.

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A drunk driver has never killed anyone? You have no clue what that guy could have done.

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So we execute someone now for a crime not yet committed?

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Guy was drunk and vehicle in motion, even being slowly moved, by a drunk driver towards you, is a threat.

Shooting is justified.

Moral of story: Don't drive drunk and run from the cops.

I'd be curious as to what policy the cop violated.

IMO, getting out of the car with the gun already drawn could be seen as pretty questionable. You're not supposed to put yourself in front of a moving vehicle to eliminate your other options, thereby forcing you to shoot. If he's getting out without the gun, then it looks like he is expecting the driver to stop, even if he must then quickly draw, when he realizes the driver isn't stopping. He will have to articulate what he was thinking when this happened, because his perspective is what is going to determine if this is a legal shoot.

Edit to clarify: Because he did get out with the gun drawn, it looks like he purposefully put himself into a position where he had no choice to shoot, which would not be a legal shoot.

The chiefs analysis is wrong. He is armchair quarterbacking, when the courts (SCOTUS) has said that is not the right way to judge. The officer doesn't have to make a perfect decision, he has to make a reasonable decision. It doesn't have to be the same decision that another officer, or the chief would make, it has to be in the range of reasonableness.

Once again, regardless of the cops actions, we find ourselfve's here because the driver made a bad decision to drink and drive; Followed by another bad decision to run from the cops.

You ask for military rejects, you get military rejects

I'm sorry, but you can't back the cop on this one. He wasn't in imminent danger of harm -- he had the ability to get back in to his car. If it was a good shoot then, what wouldn't have made it a good shoot before they stopped the driver? He was just as potentially dangerous? There's no policy about shooting DWI drivers.

Now, if the cop had little other choice and his safety was in danger, then yes, I'd support it, but it appears he used deadly force when it wasn't justified. He'll be lucky to avoid prosecution. Firing is definitely reasonable based on the video.

If he was going to be aggressive with his gun, he should have first been aggressive with his vehicle. Had the driver been seriously injured or killed in that situation, THEN, I'd support him. Here, I can't.

Somehow all I know is that this is Joe Biden's fault.

edit...**** post that is not necessary.

TheEternalPessimist said:

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Bubblez said:

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ShaggySLC said:

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Bubblez said:

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Science Denier said:

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Do libs now like drunk drivers? Dude drove away multiple times drunk, endangering every single driver he came across.

This dude got shot. Everyone is now safer.

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That is no reason to execute the guy.

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A drunk driver has never killed anyone? You have no clue what that guy could have done.

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So we execute someone now for a crime not yet committed?

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Guy was drunk and vehicle in motion, even being slowly moved, by a drunk driver towards you, is a threat.

Shooting is justified.

Moral of story: Don't drive drunk and run from the cops.

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When I watch the entirety of the situation I'm gonna side with the cop on this one myself. Although the situation is extremely close to being unjustified.

When the vehicle lurched in his direction it was game over and bullets needed to fly right ****ing now to stop that *******. They could have PIT'd him and the same result could have occurred.

Not to mention--i'm sick and ****ing tired of people trying to get away with ***** Its time to start taking out the trash.

That was a bad shoot that cannot be defended. Sometimes officers make mistakes. That being said, I don't think he should be held criminally liable. He caved under pressure without thinking, and shot instead of choosing several more reasonable options. To me it's like medical malpractice - nobody thinks the doctor was intentionally trying to kill a patient when he makes a catastrophic blunder. But since this guy has shown he can panic, he can never serve in law enforcement again.

Htownag11 said:

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I almost always side with the cops, but this was not justified. This cop will go to prison.

The guy was driving like 6 MPH.

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Ridiculous.

If you were trying to shoot a cop and they were behind you what would be your course of action.

One option - Uturn toward the cops and roll by slowly while firing out the window. Much better position than he had before when they were just following him.

We don't know his intent but saying because he was going slow he meant no harm gets you dead.

Zombie Jon Snow said:

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Htownag11 said:

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I almost always side with the cops, but this was not justified. This cop will go to prison.

The guy was driving like 6 MPH.

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Ridiculous.

If you were trying to shoot a cop and they were behind you what would be your course of action.

One option - Uturn toward the cops and roll by slowly while firing out the window. Much better position than he had before when they were just following him.

We don't know his intent but saying because he was going slow he meant no harm gets you dead.

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You can dream up all sorts of doomsday scenarios on any situation. But the facts are that didn't happen. The logic of someone might have a gun and might do something bad so I need to shoot first is not justified in this day and age. We are finally progressing beyond that.

Bubblez said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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Htownag11 said:

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I almost always side with the cops, but this was not justified. This cop will go to prison.

The guy was driving like 6 MPH.

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Ridiculous.

If you were trying to shoot a cop and they were behind you what would be your course of action.

One option - Uturn toward the cops and roll by slowly while firing out the window. Much better position than he had before when they were just following him.

We don't know his intent but saying because he was going slow he meant no harm gets you dead.

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You can dream up all sorts of doomsday scenarios on any situation. But the facts are that didn't happen. The logic of someone might have a gun and might do something bad so I need to shoot first is not justified in this day and age. We are finally progressing beyond that.

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Nope.

Sorry. Follow instructions - he had many chances - or if you turn and are a threat in any way you die.

PS the facts are it could have happened. The fact that it did not is not because he chose not to, that chance was removed.


Worst case scenarios are what they train for. And if you don't you might be dead instead.

If you are so willing to risk your life that way then go be a cop otherwise you are just talking out of your ass.

This was a slow speed chase that should have ended in a felony stop. A felony stop includes shouting commands at safe distance, once the vehicle has come to a complete stop. Guns would be drawn. Pulling up in front of a vehicle, exiting your car, and placing yourself in front of a moving vehicle is not something that is ever taught or a part of policy. He put himself in that position. He was two feet from his vehicle and could have just as easily gotten back in and resumed the chase.

I once chased someone at slow speeds from Addison to South Dallas, pulled in many parking lots and side streets, thinking the guy was going to stop, began to exit my vehicle, only to hop right back in as he resumed. The officer created a situation in which he felt he had to shoot. And no, simply driving a vehicle drunk does not constitute the officer's use of lethal force. There were many options available and he chose the wrong one. Can't justify that. Sorry.

Sure, he made mistakes. But your critique didn't go back to the first one; being a white guy working for a major US city police department.

BlueAg2003 said:

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This was a slow speed chase that should have ended in a felony stop. A felony stop includes shouting commands at safe distance, once the vehicle has come to a complete stop. Guns would be drawn. Pulling up in front of a vehicle, exiting your car, and placing yourself in front of a moving vehicle is not something that is ever taught or a part of policy. He put himself in that position. He was two feet from his vehicle and could have just as easily gotten back in and resumed the chase.

I once chased someone at slow speeds from Addison to South Dallas, pulled in many parking lots and side streets, thinking the guy was going to stop, began to exit my vehicle, only to hop right back in as he resumed. The officer created a situation in which he felt he had to shoot. And no, simply driving a vehicle drunk does not constitute the officer's use of lethal force. There were many options available and he chose the wrong one. Can't justify that. Sorry.

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So you continue to allow this guy, which is driving in dangerous and erratic fashion, to continue driving in public and endanger the lives of everyone he encounters until he runs out of gas or decides to stop?

No, that's idiotic.

You use your vehicle to stop his, not your body. We can go with that for starters.

He wasn't dangerous. He was driving about 6 mph.

What one has to ask is did the shooting officer violate Arlington PD policies, and the answer is yes, which is why he was fired.

So now you're saying any time an officer encounters an erratic driver, they can just shoot them through a window because they "may" kill someone? Seems like there's going to be alot of shootings soon.

Hate to tell you, but that's not how it works.

Yea, I really can't see how this is a justified shooting at all.

BlueAg2003 said:

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So now you're saying any time an officer encounters an erratic driver, they can just shoot them through a window because they "may" kill someone? Seems like there's going to be alot of shootings soon.

Hate to tell you, but that's not how it works.

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That's a strawman.

Please answer my question.

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So you continue to allow this guy, which is driving in dangerous and erratic fashion, to continue driving in public and endanger the lives of everyone he encounters until he runs out of gas or decides to stop?

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Yes. You don't pull your gun out and shoot them through their windshield. I already said above, you get in the car and continue the chase, call out their direction, formulate a plan with your supervisor (or whoever is in charge), and do any number of other things before you hop out of your car, gun drawn in front of a vehicle. He created that situation. He scootched over 1 foot real casually and was not in any danger of being run over by the vehicle going about 2 miles an hour.

Seems as though Arlington PD agrees with me.

It is easy to armchair qb and I'm usually pro cop but don't understand why the cop didn't just maneuver his vehicle sideways to block the guy from leaving the culdesac until backup came

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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Man you couldn't pay me enough to want that job.

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That's the idea and why they want to federalize the police force.

IDaggie06 said:

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It is easy to armchair qb and I'm usually pro cop but don't understand why the cop didn't just maneuver his vehicle sideways to block the guy from leaving the culdesac until backup came

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The second unit was already there and had egress blocked.

BlueAg2003 said:

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So now you're saying any time an officer encounters an erratic driver, they can just shoot them through a window because they "may" kill someone? Seems like there's going to be alot of shootings soon.

Hate to tell you, but that's not how it works.

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When they've been evading for awhile, yes that's how it works. He wasn't shot because he was driving erratically. He was shot because he wouldn't pull over, made a uturn and started heading back towards the cops. There were tons of things the suspect could have done to still be alive today.

When someone doesn't pull over, what do you think the cops are thinking? That the guy just must not see them yet? No, there thinking he's hunting a gun or a way out of the situation. Desperate people do really unpredictable and stupid things. There's plenty of dead cops to back that up.

I'll be the first to condemn a bad cop and a bad shoot, just don't feel this is one. That guy choose not to be alive today.