P.U.T.U said:
We know where the Taliban leaders are, we know where the equipment is, why not start having some fun and blowing up some Taliban?
Jayhawk said:The Taliban came after the Soviet occupation. It emerged from the fallout of that war, because what ended up coming about was a fairly chaotic situation in which warlords with localized power bases filled the vacuum left by what had been the pro-Soviet Kabul regime. There was violence, corruption, etc. and so in early 90's a crew of pious Islamists in Kandahar got together and started fighting the warlords in their area under the banner of religion. The movement quickly spread and overthrew the weak successor regime in Kabul in 1996.Albatross Necklace said:
My ignorant understanding of history is that the Taliban were formed when the US (Charlie Wilson) armed Islamic radicals to fight the Soviet invasion and then took control of the country when they left.
The Nothern Alliance is a group of warlords who grow opium and don't want to live under Sharia law.
Despite how often it gets quoted that "we funded the taliban" or UBL, it is not strictly true. We funded the Pakistani ISI who chose recipients for that aid. This was from 1979-1989, pre-Taliban. Some of the recipients of the American money which was channeled by the ISI ended up with Afghans who later affiliated with what became the Taliban, but it was not simple. For the record, UBL was not among the mujahideen commanders on the ISI client list.. probably for the very simple reason that he didn't need the money.
While Biden has previously blamed Afghans for the U.S. failure to get out more allies ahead of this month's sudden Taliban takeover, U.S. officials told The Associated Press that American diplomats had formally urged weeks ago that the Biden administration ramp up evacuation efforts.black_ice said:AlaskanAg99 said:
I saw that US are flying out with planes 60% full and it's not even a majority of americans?
And the French are bringing in their special forces to get their people out. Looking for verification.
Confirmed
Des policiers @PoliceNationale détachés à la DCIS et du #RAID ont assuré la sécurité de nos compatriotes et des afghans réfugiés à l'ambassade 🇫🇷 à #Kaboul.
— Police nationale (@PoliceNationale) August 18, 2021
Organisation et protection du transfert la nuit dernière vers l'aéroport militaire. #Protéger #Courage #Fierté #Apagan pic.twitter.com/bNGoroCwu4
Two quote from Charlie Wilson's War.bkag9824 said:Jayhawk said:The Taliban came after the Soviet occupation. It emerged from the fallout of that war, because what ended up coming about was a fairly chaotic situation in which warlords with localized power bases filled the vacuum left by what had been the pro-Soviet Kabul regime. There was violence, corruption, etc. and so in early 90's a crew of pious Islamists in Kandahar got together and started fighting the warlords in their area under the banner of religion. The movement quickly spread and overthrew the weak successor regime in Kabul in 1996.Albatross Necklace said:
My ignorant understanding of history is that the Taliban were formed when the US (Charlie Wilson) armed Islamic radicals to fight the Soviet invasion and then took control of the country when they left.
The Nothern Alliance is a group of warlords who grow opium and don't want to live under Sharia law.
Despite how often it gets quoted that "we funded the taliban" or UBL, it is not strictly true. We funded the Pakistani ISI who chose recipients for that aid. This was from 1979-1989, pre-Taliban. Some of the recipients of the American money which was channeled by the ISI ended up with Afghans who later affiliated with what became the Taliban, but it was not simple. For the record, UBL was not among the mujahideen commanders on the ISI client list.. probably for the very simple reason that he didn't need the money.
Agree on the macro points, but it's important to correctly state that the Taliban originated in Quetta, Pakistan, not Kandahar. They made Kandahar their home due to proximity to Pakistan and the overwhelming Pashtun demographic.
And while you're technically correct that we didn't directly fund the Taliban, it's a game of semantics since we provide nearly all the funding for Pakistan's military/ISI. We could and should have influenced the Pakis to stop. But here we are.
That was actually a decent movie. Hanks and Roberts were okay but Phillip Seymour Hoffman stole every scene he was in.Quote:
Two quote from Charlie Wilson's War.
After seeing the Russians leave Afghanistan:
"I'm going to hand you a classified NIE right now and it's going to tell you the crazies are rolling into Kandahar right now like it's a bathtub drain,"
End of the movie:
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we f'ed up the endgame."
I'm sure there is some dramatization in there; but it is simply amazing to me how history repeats itself.
All this traveling is just going to tucker poor Joe out...AlaskanAg99 said:While Biden has previously blamed Afghans for the U.S. failure to get out more allies ahead of this month's sudden Taliban takeover, U.S. officials told The Associated Press that American diplomats had formally urged weeks ago that the Biden administration ramp up evacuation efforts.black_ice said:AlaskanAg99 said:
I saw that US are flying out with planes 60% full and it's not even a majority of americans?
And the French are bringing in their special forces to get their people out. Looking for verification.
Confirmed
Tens of thousands of people remain to be evacuated ahead of the United States' Aug. 31 deadline to withdraw its troops from the country, although the pace picked up overnight. A defense official said about 5,700 people, including about 250 Americans, were flown out of Kabul aboard 16 C-17 transport planes. On each of the previous two days, about 2,000 people were airlifted.
https://www.click2houston.com/news/politics/2021/08/20/biden-to-address-chaotic-kabul-evacuation-amid-criticism/
Clarissa Ward on scene at Kabul airport: "one of the more harrowing things I have experienced" pic.twitter.com/aY4Z5TyayW
— Brianna Keilar (@brikeilarcnn) August 20, 2021
Ag In Ok said:Des policiers @PoliceNationale détachés à la DCIS et du #RAID ont assuré la sécurité de nos compatriotes et des afghans réfugiés à l'ambassade 🇫🇷 à #Kaboul.
— Police nationale (@PoliceNationale) August 18, 2021
Organisation et protection du transfert la nuit dernière vers l'aéroport militaire. #Protéger #Courage #Fierté #Apagan pic.twitter.com/bNGoroCwu4
I don't know French, but the pics are worth a thousand words. The French unfortunately got the reputation for surrender after being utterly destroyed by a blitzkreig, we are now getting a reputation for something i don't want to say.
thirdcoast said:
They threw shoes at Bush.
They are throwing babies at Biden.
Going to get really volatile, really quick if Taliban fighters start feeling like they are losing ground. Need to get Americans out yesterday.will25u said:#BREAKING: Afghan popular uprising forces recapture 3 districts in #Baghlan province from #Taliban north of #Kabul, @pajhwok reports.
— حسن سجواني 🇦🇪 Hassan Sajwani (@HSajwanization) August 20, 2021
If Masoud becomes the bigger danger, he can serve as a distraction for them to divert forces and lessen the presence around the airport.RulesForTheeNotForMe said:Going to get really volatile, really quick if Taliban fighters start feeling like they are losing ground. Need to get Americans out yesterday.will25u said:#BREAKING: Afghan popular uprising forces recapture 3 districts in #Baghlan province from #Taliban north of #Kabul, @pajhwok reports.
— حسن سجواني 🇦🇪 Hassan Sajwani (@HSajwanization) August 20, 2021
The moment we did, they would:P.U.T.U said:
We know where the Taliban leaders are, we know where the equipment is, why not start having some fun and blowing up some Taliban?
Quote:
The British military has stepped in to evacuate some American citizens who were left behind in Afghanistan following the Biden administration's chaotic pullout of U.S. forces and the nation's quick fall to Taliban terrorists, according to former Deputy National Security Advisor Matthew Pottinger.
"The United Kingdom right now, I know that they're running patrols into Kabul to get British citizens, Afghans and in some cases Americans that they encounter, and helping bring them to safety," Pottinger told FOX Business' Larry Kudlow on Thursday.
Pottinger, a former Marine who served four years as a senior aide in the Trumpadministration, said NATO allies "in some cases, at the risk of the lives of their own diplomats, have been arranging for Americans and students, journalists, Afghan staff who have been working at the American university in Kabul, for example" to flee the war-torn nation that the U.S. occupied for 20 years up until the disastrous departure of the American military earlier this month. The former Trump official said those allies have "been escorting, creating safe passage and escorting those people onto the airbase and flying them out to safety."
He told Kudlow, "So when the full story of that comes out it's going to be quite stunning what they did when this really was not their mess to fix."
It's stuff like this that makes me so mad when people think of our military as lower class or think they don't have a heart.aggiehawg said:
Who knew Rachel Maddow had a heart?
Hate her but watch this segment.
LOL no he didn't. Go back to your home, SHareBlue troll.Tex117 said:Because he surrendered to them.Squadron7 said:thirdcoast said:
They threw shoes at Bush.
They are throwing babies at Biden.
They didn't throw anything at Trump.
Man, no joke. Hoffman we lost too soon.aggiehawg said:That was actually a decent movie. Hanks and Roberts were okay but Phillip Seymour Hoffman stole every scene he was in.Quote:
Two quote from Charlie Wilson's War.
After seeing the Russians leave Afghanistan:
"I'm going to hand you a classified NIE right now and it's going to tell you the crazies are rolling into Kandahar right now like it's a bathtub drain,"
End of the movie:
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we f'ed up the endgame."
I'm sure there is some dramatization in there; but it is simply amazing to me how history repeats itself.
LOL, well....did he agree to pull out US troops or not? (He did). Hence, why would they throw a shoe at him?AG 2000' said:LOL no he didn't. Go back to your home, SHareBlue troll.Tex117 said:Because he surrendered to them.Squadron7 said:thirdcoast said:
They threw shoes at Bush.
They are throwing babies at Biden.
They didn't throw anything at Trump.
Trump did have an agreement that was working - we were keeping the peace with 2500 troops over there. Like everything else Trump did, the Biden administration tore up that plan and told the Taliban we were pulling out unconditionally.
This failure lies squarely at the feet of the Biden-Obama-Jarrett-Rice crew.
His and Kamala's butts should be in the Situation Room. Cowards!Quote:
At 1 pm, Biden will deliver remarks on Afghanistan and the operation to evacuate American citizens, special immigrant visa applicants and vulnerable Afghans out of the county.
After the speech, Biden will leave Washington for his home town of Wilmington, Delaware, where he is expected to spend the weekend."
justcallmeharry said:
Meanwhile, Biden will put a lid on things after he reassures the public that none of this is his fault. Veep Harris will be there as well to cackle at all the right times.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2021/aug/20/us-afghanistan-memo-taliban-kabul-joe-biden-covid-coronavirus-us-politics-latest
"Here's Joe Biden's full schedule for the day, as the US military continues its evacuation efforts in Kabul:
The president and the vice-president will meet with their national security team at 10:45 am ET to receive an update on the situation in Afghanistan.
At 1 pm, Biden will deliver remarks on Afghanistan and the operation to evacuate American citizens, special immigrant visa applicants and vulnerable Afghans out of the county.
After the speech, Biden will leave Washington for his home town of Wilmington, Delaware, where he is expected to spend the weekend."
Tex117 said:Man, no joke. Hoffman we lost too soon.aggiehawg said:That was actually a decent movie. Hanks and Roberts were okay but Phillip Seymour Hoffman stole every scene he was in.Quote:
Two quote from Charlie Wilson's War.
After seeing the Russians leave Afghanistan:
"I'm going to hand you a classified NIE right now and it's going to tell you the crazies are rolling into Kandahar right now like it's a bathtub drain,"
End of the movie:
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we f'ed up the endgame."
I'm sure there is some dramatization in there; but it is simply amazing to me how history repeats itself.
They are allegedly in the situation room as of 10:45 a.m. this morning. Joe is tired! Interrupting his vacation has really messed with his mind. ;-) An hour or so of the situation room is all that Joe can handle in his condition.aggiehawg said:His and Kamala's butts should be in the Situation Room. Cowards!Quote:
At 1 pm, Biden will deliver remarks on Afghanistan and the operation to evacuate American citizens, special immigrant visa applicants and vulnerable Afghans out of the county.
After the speech, Biden will leave Washington for his home town of Wilmington, Delaware, where he is expected to spend the weekend."
Ag In Ok said:Des policiers @PoliceNationale détachés à la DCIS et du #RAID ont assuré la sécurité de nos compatriotes et des afghans réfugiés à l'ambassade 🇫🇷 à #Kaboul.
— Police nationale (@PoliceNationale) August 18, 2021
Organisation et protection du transfert la nuit dernière vers l'aéroport militaire. #Protéger #Courage #Fierté #Apagan pic.twitter.com/bNGoroCwu4
I don't know French, but the pics are worth a thousand words. The French unfortunately got the reputation for surrender after being utterly destroyed by a blitzkreig, we are now getting a reputation for something i don't want to say.
