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If this happens, I'll have to learn more about the English Premier league and start watching soccer.

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May I suggest. . .

Tex117 said:

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Money talks for sure....But who knows whether the old guard SEC wants to put their power structure at risk.

So far, the SEC has been a very well run conference with smart moves and expansions....letting Texas in certainly would changes things significantly.

This is all a long con for Texas to go to the Pac 10. Thats where they want to be anyway.

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Or the B1G. They would fit in with those conferences much better than with the SEC.

The PAC is on its death bed. They need to expand and OU and the sips are the only programs with enough clout to help them out of their current financial mess. And even that would be a Hail Mary for them.

Look at the ACC. Notre Dame is contractually obligated to join them in full which gives them 15. Need one more. UCF? WVU? Which team do they take to get to 16?

aggiehawg said:

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Tex117 said:

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Money talks for sure....But who knows whether the old guard SEC wants to put their power structure at risk.

So far, the SEC has been a very well run conference with smart moves and expansions....letting Texas in certainly would changes things significantly.

This is all a long con for Texas to go to the Pac 10. Thats where they want to be anyway.

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Or the B1G. They would fit in with those conferences much better than with the SEC.

The PAC is on its death bed. They need to expand and OU and the sips are the only programs with enough clout to help them out of their current financial mess. And even that would be a Hail Mary for them.

Look at the ACC. Notre Dame is contractually obligated to join them in full which gives them 15. Need one more. UCF? WVU? Which team do they take to get to 16?

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Or the Big 10. True enough.

Oh, I think the Pac is just down, not out like the Big XII. Hell, Austin is more California than its ever been....

I think Texas just put a bid on where the money is (obvioulsy SEC), and if it works out, great, but what they did was put a "for sale" sign on, and other conferences will be clamoring much harder than the SEC would be.

(This assuming that Texas even has the votes to get in if the 3/4 of schools voting to accept is still a thing). You know A&M will absolutely fight tooth and nail and have to be carried away in a straight jacket before they vote to allow Texas in.)

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aggiehawg said:

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Tex117 said:

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Money talks for sure....But who knows whether the old guard SEC wants to put their power structure at risk.

So far, the SEC has been a very well run conference with smart moves and expansions....letting Texas in certainly would changes things significantly.

This is all a long con for Texas to go to the Pac 10. Thats where they want to be anyway.

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Or the B1G. They would fit in with those conferences much better than with the SEC.

The PAC is on its death bed. They need to expand and OU and the sips are the only programs with enough clout to help them out of their current financial mess. And even that would be a Hail Mary for them.

Look at the ACC. Notre Dame is contractually obligated to join them in full which gives them 15. Need one more. UCF? WVU? Which team do they take to get to 16?

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Or the Big 10. True enough.

Oh, I think the Pac is just down, not out like the Big XII. Hell, Austin is more California than its ever been....

I think Texas just put a bid on where the money is (obvioulsy SEC), and if it works out, great, but what they did was put a "for sale" sign on, and other conferences will be clamoring much harder than the SEC would be.

(This assuming that Texas even has the votes to get in if the 3/4 of schools voting to accept is still a thing). You know A&M will absolutely fight tooth and nail and have to be carried away in a straight jacket before they vote to allow Texas in.)

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Also, sooner fans want to reinstate their rivalry with Nebraska. So they too have a motive for going to the B1G if they will accept them, academically, that is.

The SEC is the biggest prize. Historical rivalries are nice and all, but the future is all that matters. If I'm tu or OUs AD the SEC is the first phone call I make, then Big, then PAC.

The silence from the SEC on this is deafening, which tells me this thing has serious legs and A&Ms leak is a ploy to get the left behinds time to get the torches and pitchforks at the 11th hour.

Looch just said on the radio, matter of when not if.

aggiehawg said:

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Tex117 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Tex117 said:

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Money talks for sure....But who knows whether the old guard SEC wants to put their power structure at risk.

So far, the SEC has been a very well run conference with smart moves and expansions....letting Texas in certainly would changes things significantly.

This is all a long con for Texas to go to the Pac 10. Thats where they want to be anyway.

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Or the B1G. They would fit in with those conferences much better than with the SEC.

The PAC is on its death bed. They need to expand and OU and the sips are the only programs with enough clout to help them out of their current financial mess. And even that would be a Hail Mary for them.

Look at the ACC. Notre Dame is contractually obligated to join them in full which gives them 15. Need one more. UCF? WVU? Which team do they take to get to 16?

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Or the Big 10. True enough.

Oh, I think the Pac is just down, not out like the Big XII. Hell, Austin is more California than its ever been....

I think Texas just put a bid on where the money is (obvioulsy SEC), and if it works out, great, but what they did was put a "for sale" sign on, and other conferences will be clamoring much harder than the SEC would be.

(This assuming that Texas even has the votes to get in if the 3/4 of schools voting to accept is still a thing). You know A&M will absolutely fight tooth and nail and have to be carried away in a straight jacket before they vote to allow Texas in.)

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Also, sooner fans want to reinstate their rivalry with Nebraska. So they too have a motive for going to the B1G if they will accept them, academically, that is.

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This is a good point as well.

Don't know whether the Oklahoma legislature allows OU to leave without taking OSU. That was always a thing in the past. Also, the Texas legislature may have something to say to Texas leaving Baylor, Tech, TCU behind. It would leave those schools to fend for themselves in some obscure conference. Not a good result for the whole state's institutions. But again, who knows?

Culturally, Texas is PAC not Big10. (Really, Oklahoma needs to go Big10 so they can play Nebraska and take OSU with them). Texas needs to got the PAC and take TCU, Baylor, and Tech with them.

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This is a good point as well.

Don't know whether the Oklahoma legislature allows OU to leave without taking OSU. That was always a thing in the past. Also, the Texas legislature may have something to say to Texas leaving Baylor, Tech, TCU behind. It would leave those schools to fend for themselves in some obscure conference. Not a good result for the whole state's institutions. But again, who knows?

Culturally, Texas is PAC not Big10. (Really, Oklahoma needs to go Big10 so they can play Nebraska and take OSU with them). Texas needs to got the PAC and take TCU, Baylor, and Tech with them.

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The last time, it was David Boren pushing that line. He's gone now. I don't think the OU lege could stop them.

Now what the Texas lege could do or opt not to do is another matter altogether. Muddy water there.

Gross. Do we get to call them "little brother" now since they are following us around like a puppy dog?
I think I'll go with crazy ex.

The Big XII is dead. The little sisters see the writing on the wall and need a home NOW. While Lubbock/Stillwater and Berkeley are worlds apart, in a super conference world game of musical chairs Tech and OkSt have to get on a chair before the music stops. I wonder if they can politically force OU and tu with them and the PAC becomes the first 16 team league.

Tex117 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Tex117 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Tex117 said:

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Money talks for sure....But who knows whether the old guard SEC wants to put their power structure at risk.

So far, the SEC has been a very well run conference with smart moves and expansions....letting Texas in certainly would changes things significantly.

This is all a long con for Texas to go to the Pac 10. Thats where they want to be anyway.

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Or the B1G. They would fit in with those conferences much better than with the SEC.

The PAC is on its death bed. They need to expand and OU and the sips are the only programs with enough clout to help them out of their current financial mess. And even that would be a Hail Mary for them.

Look at the ACC. Notre Dame is contractually obligated to join them in full which gives them 15. Need one more. UCF? WVU? Which team do they take to get to 16?

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Or the Big 10. True enough.

Oh, I think the Pac is just down, not out like the Big XII. Hell, Austin is more California than its ever been....

I think Texas just put a bid on where the money is (obvioulsy SEC), and if it works out, great, but what they did was put a "for sale" sign on, and other conferences will be clamoring much harder than the SEC would be.

(This assuming that Texas even has the votes to get in if the 3/4 of schools voting to accept is still a thing). You know A&M will absolutely fight tooth and nail and have to be carried away in a straight jacket before they vote to allow Texas in.)

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Also, sooner fans want to reinstate their rivalry with Nebraska. So they too have a motive for going to the B1G if they will accept them, academically, that is.

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This is a good point as well.

Don't know whether the Oklahoma legislature allows OU to leave without taking OSU. That was always a thing in the past. Also, the Texas legislature may have something to say to Texas leaving Baylor, Tech, TCU behind. It would leave those schools to fend for themselves in some obscure conference. Not a good result for the whole state's institutions. But again, who knows?

Culturally, Texas is PAC not Big10. (Really, Oklahoma needs to go Big10 so they can play Nebraska and take OSU with them). Texas needs to got the PAC and take TCU, Baylor, and Tech with them.

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Culturally, TCU, Baylor, and Tech are not remotely PAC schools. They are anathema to that conference. However, I'm not sure culture is a priority in this reshuffle anymore.

Money will rule all.

Bingo. Too much money to say nah, well form an also ran league and add Houston, UCF/Cincy. PAC is not where they want to be but cold pragmatism where they'll have to be.

If they are truly petitioning I don't think they would do so if they didn't think their chances of gaining entry were pretty solid.

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The sips and OU want to come to the SEC. Never happening. Half the schools would vote against it.

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Hope you are correct Paul.

You know, until Saban finally decides to retire it really doesn't matter. Everyone is just playing for second place in the SEC. You have to see the bright side a little. The sips would be second fiddle in the SEC to Bama and it would glorious seeing them get their **** pushed in and realizing they're like everyone else.

Timing of this story release is suspect. The same day Jimbo is at media day?

Billy says we released it and Brent Z at the Chronicle who broke the story is the A&M beat writer, so probably us. Looks like it was an own goal rather than sip hijinks.

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Timing of this story release is suspect. The same day Jimbo is at media day?

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Since Big XII media days were last week, I must assume this is news to them as there was not a peep about this.

This may have been A&M leak to kill the secret behind the scenes effort. The same way the PAC deal was blown up in 2010 before it could be completed. A&M blew that one up by not agreeing to go.

Yes, A&M leaked it to get everyone fired up and get the resistance started. Evidently, A&M was blindsided by this and this was our only option. Sounds like it's too late though

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if this happens it will completely kill what little enthusiasm I have left for athletics

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POTD!

EOT.


Sorry, I only have one Blue Star to award.

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Tex117 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Tex117 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Tex117 said:

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Money talks for sure....But who knows whether the old guard SEC wants to put their power structure at risk.

So far, the SEC has been a very well run conference with smart moves and expansions....letting Texas in certainly would changes things significantly.

This is all a long con for Texas to go to the Pac 10. Thats where they want to be anyway.

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Or the B1G. They would fit in with those conferences much better than with the SEC.

The PAC is on its death bed. They need to expand and OU and the sips are the only programs with enough clout to help them out of their current financial mess. And even that would be a Hail Mary for them.

Look at the ACC. Notre Dame is contractually obligated to join them in full which gives them 15. Need one more. UCF? WVU? Which team do they take to get to 16?

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Or the Big 10. True enough.

Oh, I think the Pac is just down, not out like the Big XII. Hell, Austin is more California than its ever been....

I think Texas just put a bid on where the money is (obvioulsy SEC), and if it works out, great, but what they did was put a "for sale" sign on, and other conferences will be clamoring much harder than the SEC would be.

(This assuming that Texas even has the votes to get in if the 3/4 of schools voting to accept is still a thing). You know A&M will absolutely fight tooth and nail and have to be carried away in a straight jacket before they vote to allow Texas in.)

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Also, sooner fans want to reinstate their rivalry with Nebraska. So they too have a motive for going to the B1G if they will accept them, academically, that is.

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This is a good point as well.

Don't know whether the Oklahoma legislature allows OU to leave without taking OSU. That was always a thing in the past. Also, the Texas legislature may have something to say to Texas leaving Baylor, Tech, TCU behind. It would leave those schools to fend for themselves in some obscure conference. Not a good result for the whole state's institutions. But again, who knows?

Culturally, Texas is PAC not Big10. (Really, Oklahoma needs to go Big10 so they can play Nebraska and take OSU with them). Texas needs to got the PAC and take TCU, Baylor, and Tech with them.

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Culturally, TCU, Baylor, and Tech are not remotely PAC schools. They are anathema to that conference. However, I'm not sure culture is a priority in this reshuffle anymore.

Money will rule all.

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True, they aren't. But Texas is.

Money does indeed rule ALMOST all. But does the SEC invite such a significant threat to their old guard power? I don't know. But that is the only question that matters.

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This is a good point as well.

Don't know whether the Oklahoma legislature allows OU to leave without taking OSU. That was always a thing in the past. Also, the Texas legislature may have something to say to Texas leaving Baylor, Tech, TCU behind. It would leave those schools to fend for themselves in some obscure conference. Not a good result for the whole state's institutions. But again, who knows?

Culturally, Texas is PAC not Big10. (Really, Oklahoma needs to go Big10 so they can play Nebraska and take OSU with them). Texas needs to got the PAC and take TCU, Baylor, and Tech with them.

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The last time, it was David Boren pushing that line. He's gone now. I don't think the OU lege could stop them.

Now what the Texas lege could do or opt not to do is another matter altogether. Muddy water there.

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True. There is just alot we don't know.

With Texas being in special session right now....anything is possible.

Baylor had Ken Starr to lead the efforts last time. He may be a cruddy human being but he is a very good attorney. Not sure Baylor has the right leadership at the moment to fight it, even in the lege.

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You and Old Mickey D can shove it go back to surly!

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Translation? And what did I say that pissed you off?

I am also assuming that Fox is getting out of football broadcasting besides the PAC and B1G, if they allow this to happen?

SI said this am that Sharp gave the nugget to Brent Z. That makes sense since Sharp has the timing of a cardboard box.

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Baylor had Ken Starr to lead the efforts last time. He may be a cruddy human being but he is a very good attorney. Not sure Baylor has the right leadership at the moment to fight it, even in the lege.

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I think Baylor is in a much better spot than they were last time as far as determining their own destiny. I'm not saying they can write their own ticket, but they at least have a resume now.

Worst case they become the big dog in a G5 conference and will dominate the hell out of it.

Sharp is corrupt. I wouldn't be surprised if the Texas side is working with him to get it pushed through. Always, always follow the $$$$$$

This still doesn't add up to me politically.

Baylor, TCU, and Tech certainly don't want this. It will send them to the abyss and destroy their athletic budgets. A&M clearly doesn't want this. I don't see SMU, UH, or Rice having any sympathies to Texas just wanting what they think is best for them.

So how exactly does Texas pull this off with every other school of note in the State opposed along with the Metro areas of Fort Worth, Waco, and Lubbock?

The answer is simple. The only way Texas can do this is if they can show they need to do it and not that they want to do it. I don't see how they can make that argument. I can see why Texas wants it. I can see how they can get the SEC to go along, though it would break with tradition to defy A&M. I just don't see how the politics of the State go along with this and that has always been the driver in conference moves.

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Sharp is corrupt. I wouldn't be surprised if the Texas side is working with him to get it pushed through. Always, always follow the $$$$$$

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There is no $$$$ in this deal. Not as a net increase in conference payout that is

If it comes down to legislation. . . The governor is a Longhorn

I am referring to Sharp getting kick backs. Under the table money to move this forward so to speak.

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Baylor had Ken Starr to lead the efforts last time. He may be a cruddy human being but he is a very good attorney. Not sure Baylor has the right leadership at the moment to fight it, even in the lege.

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Good point as well.