Read Bowtie's book about how we left the sips behind to go to the SEC. It's called the 100 Year Decision. It hasn't been 100 years yet.

We need 4 no votes. You have to believe Arky and Mizzou are very likely "no". Then the other point is that this would push Bama (and Auburn?) to the east. Why would Georgia and Florida want to give up their dominance of that division? I would also like to think our former AD, who is now at LSU, would not want two more teams barging in to recruit the state of Texas and Louisiana?

If we can't get three other votes, that is extremely embarrassing. And if it turns out our pea brained admin voted yes, I'm done for good.

Why vote to bring in equivilants to Pelosi and Schumer into your family. Whiners who are actually richer than any those they bemoan

It will either be 13-1 or 14-0 votes for yes. It sucks but all the president's and regents care about is money.

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It will either be 13-1 or 14-0 votes for yes. It sucks but all the president's and regents care about is money.

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Nah. Most will abstain.

If this happens, I'll have to learn more about the English Premier league and start watching soccer.

Only Vandy will abstain.

Some of y'all need to sack the eff up.

Money: OU and tu games are a national draw, doubly so when pitted against SEC teams. Too much ad money and it will flow to everyone's pockets. The other SEC schools are going to listen.

Recruiting: Hurts A&M's pitch, but I ain't scared of recruiting against them. It's not 2002 anymore, we're a better draw with a better brand, more money, and wealthier alums. Well compete just fine.

Future: The NCAA is dying. If super conferences are the future, and they are, the three biggest remaining prizes are ND, OU, tu. The SEC of forward looking will want to get 2/3 before the BigX or PAC, our wishes be damned.

Politics: The wild card. The BigXII island of misfit toys won't take it quietly. This may be muted somewhat if the bigger prizes of the B12 carcass (Tech, OkSt, KU for basketball) find quick homes in the PAC, ACC, or BigX, but if they don't the fallout will be massive.

Recruiting is my biggest concern obviously but our partners have to make a decision in their schools best interests. It's hard to see that not including tu and OU, whatever whining we do.

Everyone knows about the conference wrecking ball that is tu. Forget about them for a moment.

Why would we welcome oklahoma and make them an even partner? They don't bring TV markets worth a damn, the state of oklahoma doesn't have enough D1 caliber recruits for one team. They are a giant leech who have historically cheated their asses off because of said leechiness.

Why would we open the doors to these two? It's absolutely crazy.

TV ain't about how many Comcast subscribers are in Tulsa any more. Disney, Apple, Amazon, etc. have cut out the middle man and collect their own subscription fees directly and lots of ad dollars. There are plenty of folks in NYC and LA that will tune in to an OU vs UGA game, and advertisers that will pay handsomely for those eyeballs.

I would be willing to accept OU just to spite the sips.

My crack pipe dream is convincing Notre Dame to join the SEC with OU.

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I would be willing to accept OU just to spite the sips.

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No offense, that just makes you stupid. History (and current standings) shows OU is the bigger threat.

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Some of y'all need to sack the eff up.

Money: OU and tu games are a national draw, doubly so when pitted against SEC teams. Too much ad money and it will flow to everyone's pockets. The other SEC schools are going to listen.

Recruiting: Hurts A&M's pitch, but I ain't scared of recruiting against them. It's not 2002 anymore, we're a better draw with a better brand, more money, and wealthier alums. Well compete just fine.

Future: The NCAA is dying. If super conferences are the future, and they are, the three biggest remaining prizes are ND, OU, tu. The SEC of forward looking will want to get 2/3 before the BigX or PAC, our wishes be damned.

Politics: The wild card. The BigXII island of misfit toys won't take it quietly. This may be muted somewhat if the bigger prizes of the B12 carcass (Tech, OkSt, KU for basketball) find quick homes in the PAC, ACC, or BigX, but if they don't the fallout will be massive.

Recruiting is my biggest concern obviously but our partners have to make a decision in their schools best interests. It's hard to see that not including tu and OU, whatever whining we do.

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Say what? They get a bigger slice of the PUF than we do, and we only have more money than them because we're in the SEC and they aren't. And wealthier alums? They have the medical school and law school and they have been one of the largest schools in the nation a lot longer than we have.

I think you're completely wrong about these two points.

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gbaby23 said:

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I would be willing to accept OU just to spite the sips.

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No offense, that just makes you stupid. History (and current standings) shows OU is the bigger threat.

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Yes, but so was the rest of the SEC and we didn't cower into the lions den 10 years ago. tu is solely about being awful business partners and insufferable entitlement. From a dollar's standpoint tu is an obvious yes, but that doesn't make it a good business decision if your business partner is a snake that has poisoned every other conference it's been in. I wonder what kind of humble pie they'll agree to, or if simply having Florida, Bama, LSU, UGA, and now A&M won't put up with their bevo turd.

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I would be willing to accept OU just to spite the sips.

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No offense, that just makes you stupid. History (and current standings) shows OU is the bigger threat.

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Football doesn't really concern me. I just want tu to be left out in the cold.

You think the spares in the Big 12 are going to let them exit without a fight?

Where's the Perryman report?

The thing I haven't heard addressed is how Texas can do this politically. It completely screws over TCU, Baylor, and Tech who all will be homeless as the Big 12 isn't viable without the Big 2 and no one else will take them among the Power 5. That assumes the other former schools that were screwed by Texas (SMU, UH, and Rice) go along. That's Houston, Dallas, Fort Worth, Lubbock, and Waco and any grads from any of those schools in the Leg.

Oh, and there is one other itty bitty issue. It seems like there is another really powerful school in the state that not only has a vote in the SEC but has a great deal of power in the Leg. I think they are in College Station. If the sips don't have full throated support from those guys there is no way they can take on everyone else. So what do you think Ags, I'm sure lots of us can't wait to have the sips come to the SEC and we get to all be friends again.

This doesn't even address how OU is screwing over OSU and how that would work politically in Oklahoma.

Instead what do we have here. We have Texas doing what they do. They just look at the world and think, "What would be best for us?" and just assume it will happen because "We're Texas!" I mean everyone lies in bed at night dreaming of having the privilege of kissing their feet and basking in their glow. They just get what they want. It worked out great when they kept us from leaving for the SEC and hiring Nick Saban and Urban Meyer.

Fair points, although from a numbers perspective we have those too and are getting better. Our alumni base is getting larger, older, and less solely ex-Corps.

I'm pretty confident this will happen.

It's about money and that's all that matters. Two points frequently made that are now moot:

TVs: Irrelevant in a world of streaming. Cable and satellite subscriptions are done at the home level while streaming subscriptions can be done at the individual level anywhere in the world. Thus, geographic location is irrelevant. It's fanbase numbers now that matter and look how big those two fan bases are.

One School Per State: people say this won't happen because the other schools don't want to open the door to their in state rivals getting into the SEC. Well, if we are moving to 16 team super conferences which is pretty much the consensus then the eastern SEC teams will happily sacrifice us to get to 16 and then expansion is done. They don't have to worry about it again for decades, if ever. IOW, A&M is frontline fodder. We will be sacrificed.

I hope I'm wrong and we can all make fun of me.

If this goes through and sippies and sooners join the SEC, not only will the Big XII fail or be relegated to G5 status but so will the PAC. They have been struggling for years and adding Utah and Colorado did little if anything to change that.

The PAC needs the sips and sooners just to survive as a P5 conference. There is no one else.

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You think the spares in the Big 12 are going to let them exit without a fight?

Where's the Perryman report?

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Visited the Baylor site this morning. Been a few years since I ventured over there. They are surprisingly pretty much accepting their fate. None of the outrage and pearl clutching that I expected.

Then I went to surlyhorns (such a crappy site) and thought they would be up in arms since for years the SEC was "too dirty" and "too stupid" for them even consider joining. But nope, they are sooooo desperate to get out of the league they created just for themselves and glom onto our coattails. Some want the SEC to kick us out as a condition of their joining. LOL. Sips are that delusional.

Lastly went to SEC Rant on tigerdroppings. Polls there show over 60% of the fans are against this move. Although the numbers against the Sooners alone without the sips are a bit lower and when the question taking the sips without the sooners is even higher. That's a large message board. The SEC fans largely do not want them.

Why would we take the number one school in Oklahoma and the number 5 school in Texas?

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Some of y'all need to sack the eff up.

Money: OU and tu games are a national draw, doubly so when pitted against SEC teams. Too much ad money and it will flow to everyone's pockets. The other SEC schools are going to listen.

Recruiting: Hurts A&M's pitch, but I ain't scared of recruiting against them. It's not 2002 anymore, we're a better draw with a better brand, more money, and wealthier alums. Well compete just fine.

Future: The NCAA is dying. If super conferences are the future, and they are, the three biggest remaining prizes are ND, OU, tu. The SEC of forward looking will want to get 2/3 before the BigX or PAC, our wishes be damned.

Politics: The wild card. The BigXII island of misfit toys won't take it quietly. This may be muted somewhat if the bigger prizes of the B12 carcass (Tech, OkSt, KU for basketball) find quick homes in the PAC, ACC, or BigX, but if they don't the fallout will be massive.

Recruiting is my biggest concern obviously but our partners have to make a decision in their schools best interests. It's hard to see that not including tu and OU, whatever whining we do.

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Shockingly, a bad take from someone with a history of bad takes.

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Money: OU and tu games are a national draw, doubly so when pitted against SEC teams. Too much ad money and it will flow to everyone's pockets. The other SEC schools are going to listen.

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The "marquis" OU/sip game is now routinely the 11:00 a.m. game going head to head for ratings against big name games like Purdue v. Rutgers and Georgia Tech v. Wake Forest.

Second, on the money front, you're making the same assumption that a lot of people make: that there is some money that will appear out of thin air. ESPN isn't going to happily start paying more for what it already owns.

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Recruiting: Hurts A&M's pitch, but I ain't scared of recruiting against them. It's not 2002 anymore, we're a better draw with a better brand, more money, and wealthier alums. Well compete just fine.

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The landscape for recruiting is going to change vastly in the near future. I think we will see the "haves" get separated from the "have nots." We are in the "haves" club. People will just have to get used to our football team having a payroll.

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Future: The NCAA is dying. If super conferences are the future, and they are, the three biggest remaining prizes are ND, OU, tu. The SEC of forward looking will want to get 2/3 before the BigX or PAC, our wishes be damned.

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The real future isn't super conferences. The real future starts with what I said above. Haves getting separated from the Have Nots. Next step is someone bigger than big media starts buying up broadcast rights. I think that someone is Apple/Google/Netflix. They will show up with money that legacy media like Disney and Fox can't come close to touching. The Apple/Google/Netflix types will bid for a season of games pitting the 50-60 "have" programs against one another and the smaller schools will sort of just turn into another version of 1-AA (FCS)

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Politics: The wild card. The BigXII island of misfit toys won't take it quietly. This may be muted somewhat if the bigger prizes of the B12 carcass (Tech, OkSt, KU for basketball) find quick homes in the PAC, ACC, or BigX, but if they don't the fallout will be massive.

Recruiting is my biggest concern obviously but our partners have to make a decision in their schools best interests. It's hard to see that not including tu and OU, whatever whining we do.

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Here's my take at the end of the day: this doesn't make any sense because there is no value right now in being a first actor. And if there is value in being a first actor, why would the SEC bother with OU at all or the sips when they have 3 member schools happy to show in detail the amount of baggage they bring (utterly destroyed one conference and have functionally destroyed another in pursuit of their own interests).

If there is value in being a first mover, why not make the first move for the highest value programs? Why bother with a tiny market school (OU) and a high baggage school where you already have market share (sip) when you could just as easily target an Ohio State and a Notre Dame. If the money is there, they'll listen.

This just smacks of someone throwing a grenade to generate a story during the run up to the start of the season. It dropped on A&M's SEC media day in a season where we are widely expected to compete for a playoff spot and a national title.

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Some of y'all need to sack the eff up.

Money: OU and tu games are a national draw, doubly so when pitted against SEC teams. Too much ad money and it will flow to everyone's pockets. The other SEC schools are going to listen.

Recruiting: Hurts A&M's pitch, but I ain't scared of recruiting against them. It's not 2002 anymore, we're a better draw with a better brand, more money, and wealthier alums. Well compete just fine.

Future: The NCAA is dying. If super conferences are the future, and they are, the three biggest remaining prizes are ND, OU, tu. The SEC of forward looking will want to get 2/3 before the BigX or PAC, our wishes be damned.

Politics: The wild card. The BigXII island of misfit toys won't take it quietly. This may be muted somewhat if the bigger prizes of the B12 carcass (Tech, OkSt, KU for basketball) find quick homes in the PAC, ACC, or BigX, but if they don't the fallout will be massive.

Recruiting is my biggest concern obviously but our partners have to make a decision in their schools best interests. It's hard to see that not including tu and OU, whatever whining we do.

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Shockingly, a bad take from someone with a history of bad takes.

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If I'm a moron my bad takes should be easy for you to own me. Posts like this litter the board.

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He says solid odds it happens in the next few years.

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Geez. I'm prob done with CFB if we let this happen. Destroys any competitive advantage we had over these teams. How could we not get Arky and two others to vote "no"? F Sankey the Yankee.

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The college football world is about to become a ****show of epic proportions. The difference between the haves and have nots will grow even larger. The collegiate athletic world you thought you knew is already over, who gives a damn where it goes now?

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BadMoonRisin said:

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You think the spares in the Big 12 are going to let them exit without a fight?

Where's the Perryman report?

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Visited the Baylor site this morning. Been a few years since I ventured over there. They are surprisingly pretty much accepting their fate. None of the outrage and pearl clutching that I expected.

Then I went to surlyhorns (such a crappy site) and thought they would be up in arms since for years the SEC was "too dirty" and "too stupid" for them even consider joining. But nope, they are sooooo desperate to get out of the league they created just for themselves and glom onto our coattails. Some want the SEC to kick us out as a condition of their joining. LOL. Sips are that delusional.

Lastly went to SEC Rant on tigerdroppings. Polls there show over 60% of the fans are against this move. Although the numbers against the Sooners alone without the sips are a bit lower and when the question taking the sips without the sooners is even higher. That's a large message board. The SEC fans largely do not want them.

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The new world with NIL and free transfers has massively changed the game again. It's the single biggest change in the history of collegiate sports. Everything that happened previously no longer really matter, especially as we enter a digital streaming world.

The FBS will eventually cut the teams who can't hack it. It sucks for the smaller schools but we all know this whole thing was always about the money. We will almost certainly have 4 16 team superconferences. Though I'm not sure where the PAC is going to expand into now. They have no real options.

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Four. You forgot Leach is at Miss State.

Done deal, tu wouldn't go public unless they knew the outcome.

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Done deal, tu wouldn't go public unless they knew the outcome.

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tu didn't go public. A&M leaked it, more likely.

Money talks for sure....But who knows whether the old guard SEC wants to put their power structure at risk.

So far, the SEC has been a very well run conference with smart moves and expansions....letting Texas in certainly would changes things significantly.

This is all a long con for Texas to go to the Pac 10. Thats where they want to be anyway.

The word is both tu and ou will be accepted into the SEC. Could be finalized within 2 weeks. We and Mizzo are going to vote no on tu, but at this time there are no other no votes. Its in our best interest to vote no, but the other schools will benefit from 2 good programs added to the great league we already have.