DallasAg 94 said:

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That witness is headed to the fetal-position, where he will spend the next week.

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LOL.

Where did they establish that Floyd's pupils were dilated? I missed that.

NASAg03 said:

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State comes out with a "was he dead when you arrived." wtf?!?!

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actually she said "Was he in cardiac arrest" to which the witness replied "as we later learned, yes".

I was watching this on CNN but never heard any of the objections, so I guess they are editing their feed? Or disnI just miss them?

Tree Hugger said:

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I was watching this on CNN but never heard any of the objections, so I guess they are editing their feed? Or disnI just miss them?

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they are hard to hear on the CourtTV feed as well.

agracer said:

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NASAg03 said:

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State comes out with a "was he dead when you arrived." wtf?!?!

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actually she said "Was he in cardiac arrest" to which the witness replied "as we later learned, yes".

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No, one time she said "was he dead when you arrived?"

aggiehawg said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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That witness is headed to the fetal-position, where he will spend the next week.

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LOL.

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Why would he be in the fetal position? I only saw the defense cross but he seemed pretty composed at that point and answered the questions.

Correct. Defense objected to that phrasing and Judge sustained.

FriscoKid said:

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agracer said:

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NASAg03 said:

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State comes out with a "was he dead when you arrived." wtf?!?!

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actually she said "Was he in cardiac arrest" to which the witness replied "as we later learned, yes".

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No, one time she said "was he dead when you arrived?"

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Oh, you're right. Defense objected so she asked if he appeared to be in cardiac arrest.

Right on queue CourtTV shows the clip of the girlfriend crying.

Can't wait to see how CourtTv puts the spin on today haha.

Cactus Jack said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Whew!! What a morning for the prosecution! Explosions everywhere.

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Don't worry, the media will paint it as gold.

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This is what I worry about more than anything.

So much of the outrage and destruction could be mitigated if they were just honest about all the facts.

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Cactus Jack said:

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Right on queue CourtTV shows the clip of the girlfriend crying.

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The on again off again girlfriend...

agracer said:

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aggiehawg said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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That witness is headed to the fetal-position, where he will spend the next week.

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LOL.

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Why would he be in the fetal position? I only saw the defense cross but he seemed pretty composed at that point and answered the questions.

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The points that the state wanted him to make were not made convincingly and Nelson was able to dissect them effectively.

Good Poster said:

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I'll ask again: after continued evidence piles up benefitting the defense, can someone point me to something, anything, that shows the leg on neck killed Floyd?

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And beyond reasonable doubt.

On Twitter the only hashtag trending related to this case is #CourteneyRoss and it's the 26th trending item. People have lost interest

About the airway device. Rewound and saw the picture.

It was a supraglottic airway. Does not advance to the trachea. A size too small means it was not getting a good seal.

Trying to find a good picture to demonstrate what it is. Hopefully this works.



Something else to keep in mind is that these are designed to cause as little trauma as possible and are used by people without extensive training in intubation. They are very soft.

If the ME report or other autopsy suggests trauma to the trachea or below, it likely wasn't caused by this tube. The ET tube put in at the hospital is much more likely to cause airway trauma.

J_Daddy05 said:

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Good Poster said:

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I'll ask again: after continued evidence piles up benefitting the defense, can someone point me to something, anything, that shows the leg on neck killed Floyd?

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And beyond reasonable doubt.

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It's obvious to most but I'm not convinced any of that matters sadly!

So who else does the prosecution have lined up for today to help blow up their argument, and how long before things are so bad they just punt?

Complete speculation on my part, but I'd think the next witnesses would be:
The other paramedic
The doctor who pronounced him dead
The medical examiner

And then after the ME we get the host of experts to tell us how Floyd may have died.

Eh, I believe it matters. But its the first of many on a long laundry list of items the State needs to prove. Things like, knee to neck contact, force enough to block air, duration of force...etc before finally, knee is the cause of death.

The Fife said:

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So who else does the prosecution have lined up for today to help blow up their argument, and how long before things are so bad they just punt?

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Early this morning before court convened, the audio was on. Cahill (off camera) was talking to one of the prosecution team about the scheduling of witnesses for the rest of the week. Prosecutor said he had medical testimony scheduled for Friday he named the doctor but I was unfamiliar with the name, maybe an expert.

The medical experts would not testify until the ME has done so and the autopsy reports entered into evidence.

We might see ME Baker this afternoon.

This was me reading up about everything that went on this morning.



Thanks hawg for keeping me awake during all these webexes!

Good Poster said:

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I'll ask again: after continued evidence piles up benefitting the defense, can someone point me to something, anything, that shows the leg on neck killed Floyd?

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the prosecution's case is far from done.

but Nelson is just flat out out-lawyering the prosecutors so far.

Cactus Jack said:

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About the airway device. Rewound and saw the picture.

It was a supraglottic airway. Does not advance to the trachea. A size too small means it was not getting a good seal.

Trying to find a good picture to demonstrate what it is. Hopefully this works.



Something else to keep in mind is that these are designed to cause as little trauma as possible and are used by people without extensive training in intubation. They are very soft.

If the ME report or other autopsy suggests trauma to the trachea or below, it likely wasn't caused by this tube. The ET tube put in at the hospital is much more likely to cause airway trauma.

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That being said, some trauma to the larynx area is quite possible especially considering he did it twice. Even intubation for routine surgeries in very controlled, still environments can cause trauma. Again, haven't read the ME reports, but if prosecution is going to suggest evidence of airway trauma (at least above the trachea) I think the defense may have just mitigated it.

Dan Scott said:

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On Twitter the only hashtag trending related to this case is #CourteneyRoss and it's the 26th trending item. People have lost interest

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funny how that works...

I'm expecting the defense to get expert testimony on resuscitating a suffocation victim vs. OD victim, how you do it, tools you use, and how the patient responds.

Typically with suffocation or obstructed airway, you can get the heart going, but the brain damage will occur. I don't know what happens with OD though, other than watching Pulp Fiction. Did they administer epinephrine in the ambulance?