Martin Cash said:

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2PacShakur said:

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Good Poster said:

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2PacShakur said:

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Good Poster said:

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Floyd is a criminal

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Then arrest and try him. Extrajudicial killings bad.

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There was an attempt to arrest and Floyd resisted. Again.

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Resist is very subjective, people also have a first amendment right to protest their arrest.

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Protest? Yes. Resist? No.

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He was in cuffs so he wasn't very successful in resisting the arrest.

I agree it's sloppy, but that's how the prosecution closed opening argument.

2PacShakur said:

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Martin Cash said:

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2PacShakur said:

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Good Poster said:

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2PacShakur said:

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Good Poster said:

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Floyd is a criminal

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Then arrest and try him. Extrajudicial killings bad.

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There was an attempt to arrest and Floyd resisted. Again.

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Resist is very subjective, people also have a first amendment right to protest their arrest.

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Protest? Yes. Resist? No.

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He was in cuffs so he wasn't very successful in resisting the arrest.

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aggiehawg said:

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Ugh! 50,000 Bates Stamped pieces of evidence? Hate to be the document organizer.

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We went over 300k in a class action case.

I'll bet a good 75% of the 50k in this case are irrelevant or barely relevant personnel and service records and historical procedural manuals that won't even be considered.

Nelson sounds like he's going to rely on what the ME told the FBI in the 302s from the prior thread.

Missed the tumor that increased his adrenaline flow in the autopsy.

Recess until 11:15.

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"There was no evidence that Mr. Floyd's airflow was restricted, and he did not determine to be a positional or mechancail asphyxiate death."

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"Mr. Chauvin, you're free to go."

Well he was clearly just protesting his arrest verbally! LOL, as though that's a right, anyway.

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Direct quote from Nelson on the position of ME Baker
"There was no evidence that Mr. Floyd's airflow was restricted, and he did not determine to be a positional or mechancail asphyxiate death."

That's where the defense is going to go. I think the real hinge is going to be the day the medical examiner testifies.

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Which is why I'm surprised the prosecution is going with that theory.

BadMoonRisin said:

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2PacShakur said:

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Martin Cash said:

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2PacShakur said:

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Good Poster said:

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2PacShakur said:

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Good Poster said:

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Floyd is a criminal

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Then arrest and try him. Extrajudicial killings bad.

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There was an attempt to arrest and Floyd resisted. Again.

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Resist is very subjective, people also have a first amendment right to protest their arrest.

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Protest? Yes. Resist? No.

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He was in cuffs so he wasn't very successful in resisting the arrest.

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I too would be upset if someone already had their gun out on me in fewer than 15 seconds. He was in cuffs and under arrest in like 2 mins. Not much of a resistance.

tallgrant said:

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Direct quote from Nelson on the position of ME Baker
"There was no evidence that Mr. Floyd's airflow was restricted, and he did not determine to be a positional or mechanical asphyxiate death."

That's where the defense is going to go. I think the real hinge is going to be the day the medical examiner testifies.

Edit: spelling error

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100%. I think it is going to be VERY interesting to watch the pathologists and the toxicologist(s) go back and forth on the effects the drugs had on Floyd's ability to maintain his own airway vs any external component from Chauvin's knee. Cross examination is going to be key.

2PacShakur said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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2PacShakur said:

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Martin Cash said:

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2PacShakur said:

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Good Poster said:

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2PacShakur said:

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Good Poster said:

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Floyd is a criminal

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Then arrest and try him. Extrajudicial killings bad.

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There was an attempt to arrest and Floyd resisted. Again.

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Resist is very subjective, people also have a first amendment right to protest their arrest.

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Protest? Yes. Resist? No.

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He was in cuffs so he wasn't very successful in resisting the arrest.

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I too would be upset if someone already had their gun out on me in fewer than 15 seconds. He was in cuffs and under arrest in like 2 mins. Not much of a resistance.

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wasn't there a reason the officer was there though and walked up to his car? likely the gun was drawn for other factors as well??

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I too would be upset if someone already had their gun out on me in fewer than 15 seconds. He was in cuffs and under arrest in like 2 mins. Not much of a resistance.

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Are you actually arguing that a suspect in cuffs can't resist arrest?

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aggiehawg said:

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tallgrant said:

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Direct quote from Nelson on the position of ME Baker
"There was no evidence that Mr. Floyd's airflow was restricted, and he did not determine to be a positional or mechancail asphyxiate death."

That's where the defense is going to go. I think the real hinge is going to be the day the medical examiner testifies.

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Which is why I'm surprised the prosecution is going with that theory.

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The state went beyond the medical examiner and hired their own experts for second opinions. They are going to bring in a cardiac specialist, a pulmonologist, an emergency specialist, and another pathologist to testify. They are sparing no expense in this prosecution. Going to try to bludgeon the defense with experts.

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tallgrant said:

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Direct quote from Nelson on the position of ME Baker
"There was no evidence that Mr. Floyd's airflow was restricted, and he did not determine to be a positional or mechanical asphyxiate death."

That's where the defense is going to go. I think the real hinge is going to be the day the medical examiner testifies.

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100%. I think it is going to be VERY interesting to watch the pathologists and the toxicologist(s) go back and forth on the effects the drugs had on Floyd's ability to maintain his own airway vs any external component from Chauvin's knee. Cross examination is going to be key.

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State has already brought up the fact that Floyd was a junkie and thus his tolerance for speedballing was much higher than the average first time user.

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I too would be upset if someone already had their gun out on me in fewer than 15 seconds. He was in cuffs and under arrest in like 2 mins. Not much of a resistance.

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Are you actually arguing that a suspect in cuffs can't resist arrest?

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Quite a bit of resisting when getting placed into the squad car.

One other quote, this one from Mr. Blackwell (I wasn't able to catch the first part live and had to go back and watch it):

"You will see in the videos, ladies and gentlemen, that Mr. Floyd from time to time was heaving up his right shoulder. There's a reason for that. Mr. Chauvin was on his left side- his back and his neck. He can't move that- his hands are behind his back. He's heaving up the right should so he can get room for his rib cage to expand to breathe, because at this point you will learn he is pancaked, with the hard pavement beneath him and Mr. Chauvin on top of him. In order to breathe, you have to have room for the lungs to expand in and out, and you'll see Mr. Floyd doing his best to kind of crank his right shoulder up, having to lift up his weight and Mr. Chauvin's weight on top of him to get a breath for as long as he could get a breath."

So that's the prosecution's theory of the crime.

Edited to fix a mistake in the quote

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I too would be upset if someone already had their gun out on me in fewer than 15 seconds. He was in cuffs and under arrest in like 2 mins. Not much of a resistance.

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Are you actually arguing that a suspect in cuffs can't resist arrest?

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I don't know what qualifies as resistance but he does have a right to protest his arrest. If they thought he was resisting arrest then please add the charge.

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Kool said:

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tallgrant said:

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Direct quote from Nelson on the position of ME Baker
"There was no evidence that Mr. Floyd's airflow was restricted, and he did not determine to be a positional or mechanical asphyxiate death."

That's where the defense is going to go. I think the real hinge is going to be the day the medical examiner testifies.

Edit: spelling error

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100%. I think it is going to be VERY interesting to watch the pathologists and the toxicologist(s) go back and forth on the effects the drugs had on Floyd's ability to maintain his own airway vs any external component from Chauvin's knee. Cross examination is going to be key.

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State has already brought up the fact that Floyd was a junkie and thus his tolerance for speedballing was much higher than the average first time user.

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The State also brought up that Floyd "stayed in shape" by playing "hoops." In shape junkies all over the country cheered...

I appreciate your observations aggiehawg - really helps us non-lawyers make sense of things...

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I totally agree...not only was it excessive, but both officers repeatedly ignored valid comments from bystanders about Mr. Floyd's appearance when he went from responsive to non-responsive. The knee wasn't lifted and the other officer was told about 30 times his condition was worsening and he ignored it all.

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Damn

Didn't listen to the bystanders, bystanders are known to be extremely smart

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Don't have to be smart to recognize when a body goes from responsive to unresponsive and a knee to neck is no longer needed. So what does that say about the cops if stupid bystanders had to repeatedly make that obvious point to the cops?

2PacShakur said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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2PacShakur said:

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Martin Cash said:

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2PacShakur said:

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Good Poster said:

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2PacShakur said:

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Good Poster said:

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Floyd is a criminal

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Then arrest and try him. Extrajudicial killings bad.

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There was an attempt to arrest and Floyd resisted. Again.

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Resist is very subjective, people also have a first amendment right to protest their arrest.

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Protest? Yes. Resist? No.

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He was in cuffs so he wasn't very successful in resisting the arrest.

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I too would be upset if someone already had their gun out on me in fewer than 15 seconds. He was in cuffs and under arrest in like 2 mins. Not much of a resistance.

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Then you clearly haven't seen the full bodycam footage, because they couldn't even get him in the squad car because he was throwing his body around so erratically. There's also a point in there well before being on the ground where he states having difficulty breathing. Seems like he was reacting to an overdose and his body was beginning to shut down.

Very sad situation. Chemical addiction can absolutely destroy people's lives and put them in the worst situations.

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that was a quick edit.

edit: now 2 edits?

State calls Jenna Scurry (sp?) to the stand.

City of Minneapolis dispatcher.

she spells her name "jena"