*****State of MN v. Derek Chauvin Trial*****

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NPH- said:

that was a quick edit.
If you're curious, I originally wrote "crank up his right shoulder up" and I missed the quotation mark in front of the statement.
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I've seen this guy before for the state but can't remember his name. He didn't do any of the voir dire but did handle some pretrial motion arguments.
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thirdcoast said:

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I totally agree...not only was it excessive, but both officers repeatedly ignored valid comments from bystanders about Mr. Floyd's appearance when he went from responsive to non-responsive. The knee wasn't lifted and the other officer was told about 30 times his condition was worsening and he ignored it all.


Damn

Didn't listen to the bystanders, bystanders are known to be extremely smart


Don't have to be smart to recognize when a body goes from responsive to unresponsive and a knee to neck is no longer needed. So what does that say about the cops if stupid bystanders had to repeatedly make that obvious point to the cops?


I think the defense response to this would be that the technique being applied was taught to police specifically because it did not restrict breathing or blood flow like the old-fashioned chokehold.
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tallgrant said:

NPH- said:

that was a quick edit.
If you're curious, I originally wrote "crank up his right shoulder up" and I missed the quotation mark in front of the statement.

lol, i wasn't, just thought I'd point it out.

you could have said you wanted a large butterfinger blizzard and I wouldn't have known what was originally said.

edit: plus my comment was directed to you tallgrant, but you're more than welcome to get criticized on here if you want.
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aggiehawg said:

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I too would be upset if someone already had their gun out on me in fewer than 15 seconds. He was in cuffs and under arrest in like 2 mins. Not much of a resistance.
Are you actually arguing that a suspect in cuffs can't resist arrest?
I don't know what qualifies as resistance but he does have a right to protest his arrest. If they thought he was resisting arrest then please add the charge.
Good grief! You want to charge and try a dead guy for resisting arrest? You should really read your post a few times before you hit that button.
Obviously they're not going to charge a dead man. Are you saying anyone protesting their arrest deserves to die?
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2PacShakur said:

aggiehawg said:

2PacShakur said:

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I too would be upset if someone already had their gun out on me in fewer than 15 seconds. He was in cuffs and under arrest in like 2 mins. Not much of a resistance.
Are you actually arguing that a suspect in cuffs can't resist arrest?
I don't know what qualifies as resistance but he does have a right to protest his arrest. If they thought he was resisting arrest then please add the charge.
Good grief! You want to charge and try a dead guy for resisting arrest? You should really read your post a few times before you hit that button.
Obviously they're not going to charge a dead man. Are you saying anyone protesting their arrest deserves to die?
You know the only constitutional right one has upon being arrested is the right to remain silent. Period.
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it would be awesome if there was a common sense or iq test in order to post on this thread. that way this one doesn't also get constantly derailed by a certain poster spinning around in circles doing their best harry caray impersonation.

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astros4545 said:

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yeah...i try not to block people but holy **** that guy is dense and completely clogs up each thread with absolute gibberish.
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Bregxit said:

aggiehawg said:

2PacShakur said:

aggiehawg said:

2PacShakur said:

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I too would be upset if someone already had their gun out on me in fewer than 15 seconds. He was in cuffs and under arrest in like 2 mins. Not much of a resistance.
Are you actually arguing that a suspect in cuffs can't resist arrest?
I don't know what qualifies as resistance but he does have a right to protest his arrest. If they thought he was resisting arrest then please add the charge.
Good grief! You want to charge and try a dead guy for resisting arrest? You should really read your post a few times before you hit that button.
Obviously they're not going to charge a dead man. Are you saying anyone protesting their arrest deserves to die?
You know the only constitutional right one has upon being arrested is the right to remain silent. Period.


Objection: Fair and speedy trial.
That comes after arraignment, counselor.
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Print out version of a 911 call. State's Exhibit 151. Cahill allows 151 to be admitted.
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Maroon Dawn said:

third coast.. said:

Old McDonald said:

aezmvp said:

Riots incoming either way.
dems are in power now so less incentive to stoke the riots like they did last year


Their blm creation has a mind of its own now.


True

But it won't be funded by National Dems or tolerated by local Dems this time

Riots aren't useful when the Dems are in power
Soros might fund a lot of mayhem, depends on his investments for or against the US economy.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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Is the original call from the store regarding the counterfeit bill.
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To me it's so obvious he's not guilty. You can't find the guy guilty beyond doubt when there exists an autopsy indicating he died from overdose.

He's only guilty for being a dewsh and keeping his knee on the guy after it was clear he wasn't much of a threat anymore.
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Dan Scott said:

To me it's so obvious he's not guilty. You can't find the guy guilty beyond doubt when there exists an autopsy indicating he died from overdose.

He's only guilty for being a dewsh and keeping his knee on the guy after it was clear he wasn't much of a threat anymore.
This is a really simplistic and straight-forward take. Need more of this instead of the B.S. in this thread.
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She used that info from the 911 call talker to dispatch to Sector 330 because Sector 320 officers were busy. Sector 320 was that actual location.
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Dan Scott said:

To me it's so obvious he's not guilty. You can't find the guy guilty beyond doubt when there exists an autopsy indicating he died from overdose.

He's only guilty for being a dewsh and keeping his knee on the guy after it was clear he wasn't much of a threat anymore.

Yep.
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Dan Scott said:

To me it's so obvious he's not guilty. You can't find the guy guilty beyond doubt when there exists an autopsy indicating he died from overdose.

He's only guilty for being a dewsh and keeping his knee on the guy after it was clear he wasn't much of a threat anymore.
The autopsy doesn't indicate that and that's not how fentanyl OD's work. The only person that concluded it was an overdose was Tucker Carlson.
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aggiehawg said:

She used that info from the 911 call talker to dispatch to Sector 330 because Sector 320 officers were busy. Sector 320 was that actual location.


Interesting butterfly effect there.
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aggiehawg said:

2PacShakur said:

aggiehawg said:

2PacShakur said:

aggiehawg said:

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I too would be upset if someone already had their gun out on me in fewer than 15 seconds. He was in cuffs and under arrest in like 2 mins. Not much of a resistance.
Are you actually arguing that a suspect in cuffs can't resist arrest?
I don't know what qualifies as resistance but he does have a right to protest his arrest. If they thought he was resisting arrest then please add the charge.
Good grief! You want to charge and try a dead guy for resisting arrest? You should really read your post a few times before you hit that button.
Obviously they're not going to charge a dead man. Are you saying anyone protesting their arrest deserves to die?
You know the only constitutional right one has upon being arrested is the right to remain silent. Period.
My last reply was edited out, but again, does not exercising that right deserve an extrajudicial killing?
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2PacShakur said:

Dan Scott said:

To me it's so obvious he's not guilty. You can't find the guy guilty beyond doubt when there exists an autopsy indicating he died from overdose.

He's only guilty for being a dewsh and keeping his knee on the guy after it was clear he wasn't much of a threat anymore.
The autopsy doesn't indicate that and that's not how fentanyl OD's work. The only person that concluded it was an overdose was Tucker Carlson.

Perhaps you could educate us as to normal toxicology and autopsy findings of someone dying of a fentanyl overdose.
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2PacShakur said:

aggiehawg said:

2PacShakur said:

aggiehawg said:

2PacShakur said:

aggiehawg said:

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I too would be upset if someone already had their gun out on me in fewer than 15 seconds. He was in cuffs and under arrest in like 2 mins. Not much of a resistance.
Are you actually arguing that a suspect in cuffs can't resist arrest?
I don't know what qualifies as resistance but he does have a right to protest his arrest. If they thought he was resisting arrest then please add the charge.
Good grief! You want to charge and try a dead guy for resisting arrest? You should really read your post a few times before you hit that button.
Obviously they're not going to charge a dead man. Are you saying anyone protesting their arrest deserves to die?
You know the only constitutional right one has upon being arrested is the right to remain silent. Period.
My last reply was edited out, but again, does not exercising that right deserve an extrajudicial killing?
who implied that 2pacShakur? not a single poster ever said that. you're really reaching here man.
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I use real dollar bills when I purchase items and the cops have never been called on me. Amazing.
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Never mind, self imposed ban for feeding the troll. Reported the troll for misinformation by mis-quoting the law.
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Bondag said:

aggiehawg said:

She used that info from the 911 call talker to dispatch to Sector 330 because Sector 320 officers were busy. Sector 320 was that actual location.


Interesting butterfly effect there.
Have to wonder about that. Is that why EMS and firefighters were delayed in their response?
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2PacShakur said:

aggiehawg said:

2PacShakur said:

aggiehawg said:

2PacShakur said:

aggiehawg said:

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I too would be upset if someone already had their gun out on me in fewer than 15 seconds. He was in cuffs and under arrest in like 2 mins. Not much of a resistance.
Are you actually arguing that a suspect in cuffs can't resist arrest?
I don't know what qualifies as resistance but he does have a right to protest his arrest. If they thought he was resisting arrest then please add the charge.
Good grief! You want to charge and try a dead guy for resisting arrest? You should really read your post a few times before you hit that button.
Obviously they're not going to charge a dead man. Are you saying anyone protesting their arrest deserves to die?
You know the only constitutional right one has upon being arrested is the right to remain silent. Period.
My last reply was edited out, but again, does not exercising that right deserve an extrajudicial killing?

I encourage you to start your own thread and ask all these questions.
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Good Poster said:

I use real dollar bills when I purchase items and the cops have never been called on me. Amazing.
I actually received a counterfeit $20 from a store one time. the only way I caught it was I originally stuffed the change in my pocket, then I was folding the bills to put back in my wallet in my car.

store apologized and gave me a replacement $20.
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aggiehawg said:

Bondag said:

aggiehawg said:

She used that info from the 911 call talker to dispatch to Sector 330 because Sector 320 officers were busy. Sector 320 was that actual location.


Interesting butterfly effect there.
Have to wonder about that. Is that why EMS and firefighters were delayed in their response?

And does that make the dispatcher guilty of a crime since it's basically her fault EMS didn't get to the right place?
The world needs another Pinochet.
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They were advised with the second officer originated call for EMS upping the Code to 3 for emergent care and advised that the suspect was being restrained on the ground. Per the manual when MRT is deployed.
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OldArmyBrent said:

aggiehawg said:

Bondag said:

aggiehawg said:

She used that info from the 911 call talker to dispatch to Sector 330 because Sector 320 officers were busy. Sector 320 was that actual location.


Interesting butterfly effect there.
Have to wonder about that. Is that why EMS and firefighters were delayed in their response?

And does that make the dispatcher guilty of a crime since it's basically her fault EMS didn't get to the right place?
No. But it increases reasonable doubt.
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Kool said:

2PacShakur said:

Dan Scott said:

To me it's so obvious he's not guilty. You can't find the guy guilty beyond doubt when there exists an autopsy indicating he died from overdose.

He's only guilty for being a dewsh and keeping his knee on the guy after it was clear he wasn't much of a threat anymore.
The autopsy doesn't indicate that and that's not how fentanyl OD's work. The only person that concluded it was an overdose was Tucker Carlson.

Perhaps you could educate us as to normal toxicology and autopsy findings of someone dying of a fentanyl overdose.
I'll take the advice from experts on the subject. I've run some clinical programs but will leave it upon more expert opinion on the matter. From Washington Post:

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The biggest problem for the defense argument is that events that evening don't fit a fentanyl overdose, experts said.

"I'm skeptical of the notion of opioid overdose as the cause here," said David Juurlink, head of the Division of Clinical Pharmacology and Toxicology at Sunnybrook Health Sciences Center in Toronto. "The sequence of events isn't characteristic of opioid overdose."

Fentanyl kills by shutting down the part of the brain that controls respiration. Breathing slows, then stops, followed by the heart.

If Floyd had ingested an opioid and fell asleep on his way toward an overdose death, several experts told The Post, he wouldn't, or couldn't, have spent the next 20 minutes coherently interacting with police, repeatedly describing his claustrophobia and anxiety, battling with them as they tried to put him in a squad car and struggling against the three officers who pinned him facedown on the street. Instead, he would have become even more sluggish on the path toward unconsciousness and death, these experts said.

"It's just complete garbage to call it an overdose," said Kimberly Sue, medical director of the Harm Reduction Coalition, a national advocacy group, and a Yale School of Medicine instructor. In an opioid overdose, "a person is basically blue, unresponsive. It happens usually from the moment people use to 10 minutes."

Others noted there is no evidence that police or emergency medical personnel who later arrived used the fast-acting opioid antidote naloxone on Floyd, most likely because they did not believe he was showing signs of an opioid overdose. Both carried the medication, with the United States in the midst of the worst drug epidemic in history. Naloxone can be administered by injection or nasal spray.

"Overdose deaths shouldn't occur in front of trained first responders" who arrive in time, Babu said.
If the police thought it was an overdose, they should have applied naloxone. Unless someone wants to say they further escalated the risk to Floyd's life by denying him a medication first responders carry.

FTR, if the police had done things more correctly, I would agree that it's all just an unfortunate event. I just haven't seen anything showing the police (primarily Chauvin) do anything to lower the risk to Floyd's life. I'm not a Floyd lover, I just believe if we place an enormous public trust on police to use lethal force to neutralize a threat, then they should also be held accountable for that public trust.
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aggiehawg said:

OldArmyBrent said:

aggiehawg said:

Bondag said:

aggiehawg said:

She used that info from the 911 call talker to dispatch to Sector 330 because Sector 320 officers were busy. Sector 320 was that actual location.


Interesting butterfly effect there.
Have to wonder about that. Is that why EMS and firefighters were delayed in their response?

And does that make the dispatcher guilty of a crime since it's basically her fault EMS didn't get to the right place?
No. But it increases reasonable doubt.
Clearly, this type of situation will be resolved once police and first responders are sufficiently defunded.
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Police didn't use lethal force here
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