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I do wish he provided a source for saying Texas is already at 80% herd immunity, but the rest of his points are gold.

This whole fiasco has been criminally mishandled. Fauci should be in prison.

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Trump could have removed Fauci, but he didn't. If Fauci was a problem, it was on Trump to do something about it.

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Removing Fauchi wouldn't really accomplish anything. The media would just had railed against Trump for "Not trusting the science" and he would had been reinstated as soon as Biden took office.

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If Trump removed Fauci and instead appointed honest doctors to create common sense covid guidelines that wouldn't have accomplished anything? You excuse Trump from doing the right thing because the media will say mean things? Conservatives expect Republicans politicians actions to be dictated by the progressive media not to represent their beliefs.

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Question for you: Are you doing anything to get statesmen elected to replace the ineffective "Conservatives" you rail against in every post? If not, shut the hell up. If you are, please let me know how I can support your efforts. Its obvious 99% of our politicians are garbage, you don't need to keep stating the obvious. ALL of us who are disappointed with who represents us need to get busy replacing the swamp with people who will better represent us.

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I do wish he provided a source for saying Texas is already at 80% herd immunity, but the rest of his points are gold.

This whole fiasco has been criminally mishandled. Fauci should be in prison.

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Trump could have removed Fauci, but he didn't. If Fauci was a problem, it was on Trump to do something about it.

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Removing Fauchi wouldn't really accomplish anything. The media would just had railed against Trump for "Not trusting the science" and he would had been reinstated as soon as Biden took office.

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If Trump removed Fauci and instead appointed honest doctors to create common sense covid guidelines that wouldn't have accomplished anything? You excuse Trump from doing the right thing because the media will say mean things? Conservatives expect Republicans politicians actions to be dictated by the progressive media not to represent their beliefs.

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Question for you: Are you doing anything to get statesmen elected to replace the ineffective "Conservatives" you rail against in every post? If not, shut the hell up. If you are, please let me know how I can support your efforts. Its obvious 99% of our politicians are garbage, you don't need to keep stating the obvious. ALL of us who are disappointed with who represents us need to get busy replacing the swamp with people who will better represent us.

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Obviously, I do. Are you do anything proactively to change the corrupt media and the Democrats that control them that you rail against in every post? If not, you cant talked about it. That's your argument?

You are getting mad over posts you agree with...why?

Because they are f***ing annoying and don't accomplish anything either

Can you tell us who your GOP precinct chairperson is? Your county chairperson?

What was the most recent county GOP precinct chairperson meeting that you attended?

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I do wish he provided a source for saying Texas is already at 80% herd immunity, but the rest of his points are gold.

This whole fiasco has been criminally mishandled. Fauci should be in prison.

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Trump could have removed Fauci, but he didn't. If Fauci was a problem, it was on Trump to do something about it.

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Removing Fauchi wouldn't really accomplish anything. The media would just had railed against Trump for "Not trusting the science" and he would had been reinstated as soon as Biden took office.

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If Trump removed Fauci and instead appointed honest doctors to create common sense covid guidelines that wouldn't have accomplished anything? You excuse Trump from doing the right thing because the media will say mean things? Conservatives expect Republicans politicians actions to be dictated by the progressive media not to represent their beliefs.

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Question for you: Are you doing anything to get statesmen elected to replace the ineffective "Conservatives" you rail against in every post? If not, shut the hell up. If you are, please let me know how I can support your efforts. Its obvious 99% of our politicians are garbage, you don't need to keep stating the obvious. ALL of us who are disappointed with who represents us need to get busy replacing the swamp with people who will better represent us.

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Obviously, I do. Are you do anything proactively to change the corrupt media and the Democrats that control them that you rail against in every post? If not, you cant talked about it. That's your argument?

You are getting mad over posts you agree with...why?

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Mad isn't the correct word. I'm doing nothing about the Democrats and the media as I don't watch the media and don't live in a democratic controlled area. I agree with you that we need to replace just about all our politicians. I'd venture to say most of the right leaning people on this board are aware our elected officials suck. The repeated beating of the dead horse by pointing this out isn't doing much. If you're organizing things off or on the internet beyond posting on this forum please let me know how I can help you; let us know how all of us can help you. The ONLY way to correct the situation we find ourselves in is to get busy in real life replacing ****ty local politicians with people who actually support the founding ideals of this nation. Control your city and county and then move up to state and fed.

I appreciate your response. It's disappointing that trying to focus blame and anger towards Republicans with obvious reasons everyone agrees with isnt supported. You cant change anything by focusing on what the opposition wants...media and corrupt Democrats. The above responses from conservative Aggies has sadly proven that any hope to save our Republic is dead.

I will agree with yall and limit my post to a minimum. I need to change my focus...changing minds on here is a lost cause.

Gig'em

Great post OP, amazing what he has to say, the Dem led media purposely buried any treatment of Covid, it's still not readily available today. This Doctor is doing his part, Thank god for good people like him.

Monoclonal antibodies... this is the first time I've heard of it for Covid treatment .. amazing how much info has been suppressed by social and regular media

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Well here is an article confirming exactly what I have feared from these 'vaccines"
From:
Geert Vanden Bossche, DMV, PhD, independent virologist and vaccine expert, formerly employed at

GAVI and The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

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To fully escape selective immune pressure exerted by vaccinal antibodies, Covid-19, a highly mutable virus, only needs to add another few mutations in its receptor-binding domain
I am beyond worried about the disastrous impact this would have on our human 'race'. Not only would people lose vaccine-mediated protection but also their precious, variant-nonspecific (!), innate immunity will be gone (this is because vaccinal antibodies out compete natural antibodies for binding to Covid-19, even when their affinity for the viral variant is relatively low).
I've alerted all responsible health and regulatory authorities, including WHO, CDC, FDA etc. and have asked to consider my concern and to immediately open the discussion about the disastrous
consequences any further immune escape of Covid-19 would have.

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https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum-topic/implications-of-mass-vaccination-during-pandemic-call-to-action-dr-bossche/

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Ho-lee Chit...I nearly skipped this gem because I'm a little tired. Going to let my wife read, absorb, then see what she thinks. If she agrees with the science on this, this is one epic doozy of a disaster in the making.

Thanks for posting OPAG

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Well here is an article confirming exactly what I have feared from these 'vaccines"
From:
Geert Vanden Bossche, DMV, PhD, independent virologist and vaccine expert, formerly employed at

GAVI and The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

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To fully escape selective immune pressure exerted by vaccinal antibodies, Covid-19, a highly mutable virus, only needs to add another few mutations in its receptor-binding domain
I am beyond worried about the disastrous impact this would have on our human 'race'. Not only would people lose vaccine-mediated protection but also their precious, variant-nonspecific (!), innate immunity will be gone (this is because vaccinal antibodies out compete natural antibodies for binding to Covid-19, even when their affinity for the viral variant is relatively low).
I've alerted all responsible health and regulatory authorities, including WHO, CDC, FDA etc. and have asked to consider my concern and to immediately open the discussion about the disastrous
consequences any further immune escape of Covid-19 would have.

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https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum-topic/implications-of-mass-vaccination-during-pandemic-call-to-action-dr-bossche/

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Ho-lee Chit...I nearly skipped this gem because I'm a little tired. Going to let my wife read, absorb, then see what she thinks. If she agrees with the science on this, this is one epic doozy of a disaster in the making.

Thanks for posting OPAG

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If this Doctor is correct then we could be screwed or at least the people that took the vaccine already could be..OPAG thanks for the post and link, I'm gonna try to follow this for a while

He was easy on the system. See page 8 of this document that should be downloaded. Even as late as Dec 17th, 2020, NIH doesnt just ignore any treatments, they advise against their use, except in clinical trial, but then look at the rating IIIA, which means after almost a year and billions of dollars this strong opinion was NOT based on any trials. Absolutely Criminal.

https://www.evms.edu/covid-19/covid_care_for_clinicians/

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I have seen elsewhere that some other Drs. believe that about 250 Million people in this country have been exposed to the virus and have immunity to it. So roughly 75% of the population.

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This is from September:

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According to Dr. Gottlieb [former FDA Commissioner], the infection data from early in the pandemic probably understated the level of infection by a factor of 20, meaning for every one positive COVID-19 case, there were probably 19 others that were infected but not being measured due to inadequate testing.

By the summer [of 2020], he estimated that one out of every 12 cases was being diagnosed. He currently estimates that we are diagnosing "a little better than one in 10 infections."

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So, if he's right and we were undercounting that dramatically it seems like most would have been exposed by now.

The sad thing is no justice will come of this and certain habits that have been formed will probably stick around perpetually going forward due to all the weak willed people in our society.

The mask mandate has been lifted yet I still see legions of idiots in Dallas walking around with masks on, for example.

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I do wish he provided a source for saying Texas is already at 80% herd immunity, but the rest of his points are gold.

This whole fiasco has been criminally mishandled. Fauci should be in prison.

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Trump could have removed Fauci, but he didn't. If Fauci was a problem, it was on Trump to do something about it.

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Removing Fauchi wouldn't really accomplish anything. The media would just had railed against Trump for "Not trusting the science" and he would had been reinstated as soon as Biden took office.

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The media and many posters here railed against HCQ and other therapies. They were having none of it. Anything that might have made Trump look good, or reduced Trump's death count would not be tolerated. This guys useful peer reviewed scientific paper was pulled from youtube in 4 days. These morons in the media and big tech killed people

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The media and many posters here railed against HCQ and other therapies. They were having none of it. Anything that might have made Trump look good, or reduced Trump's death count would not be tolerated. This guys useful peer reviewed scientific paper was pulled from youtube in 4 days. These morons in the media and big tech killed people

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That is simply because they are all owned or are part of the same Mafia/Nazi team, Really not joke! This has been a coordinated and carefully laid out plan for years. The Trump presidency forced to execute it before they were really ready, Still their propaganda/Psyop program is very strong.

Unless God intervenes with mercy and justice it's going to get really bad. I have hope he will intervene!

"A Guide to Home-Based COVID Treatment" is available from aapsonline.org. The pdf download is available free of charge. It comes with 2 companion videos.

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Great post OP, amazing what he has to say, the Dem led media purposely buried any treatment of Covid, it's still not readily available today. This Doctor is doing his part, Thank god for good people like him.

Monoclonal antibodies... this is the first time I've heard of it for Covid treatment .. amazing how much info has been suppressed by social and regular media

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Monoclonal antibody treatment was used when President Trump tested + for COVID-19.

I am not sure why it isn't used more today especially in several cases.

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I do wish he provided a source for saying Texas is already at 80% herd immunity, but the rest of his points are gold.

This whole fiasco has been criminally mishandled. Fauci should be in prison.

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Trump could have removed Fauci, but he didn't. If Fauci was a problem, it was on Trump to do something about it.

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Removing Fauchi wouldn't really accomplish anything. The media would just had railed against Trump for "Not trusting the science" and he would had been reinstated as soon as Biden took office.

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The media and many posters here railed against HCQ and other therapies. They were having none of it. Anything that might have made Trump look good, or reduced Trump's death count would not be tolerated. This guys useful peer reviewed scientific paper was pulled from youtube in 4 days. These morons in the media and big tech killed people

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Agreed,

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What exactly did he say? 80% overall? Even the most optimistic projections Ive seen dont suggest that. I'd say optimistically were are around 40-50%, and a month or two away from 60%.

Now, 80% of the most susceptible population? Maybe. Even then I'd say 60-70% but I really don't know for sure.

Then again, this spread through December and January was pretty big, and 20% have received their first dose.

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Keep in mind that the CDC estimates the ratio of diagnosed to undiagnosed Covid-19 cases is 1:3.6

So if 20% of a population has been diagnosed as a case, then the number who have been infected is likely well over 80%.

So they zapped the thread on Dr. Bosshe, Why?

Any case, let's put this here:

https://ugolini.co.th/ugolini/covid-19-vaccine-tested-on-babies-even-as-death-toll-mounts/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/03/14/3-fully-vaccinated-people-catch-covid-19-coronavirus-says-hawaii-doh/?sh=f4b8d5c6247b

Here is a summary backing up the video which
is 1 hour long. but possibly one of the more important hours in our lives.

Del-Bigtee is the commentator, but the interview is between two doctors. The interviewee Gert van den Bosche is a major Vaccination developer.
In this interview he says it does not matter if you are pro , or anti the message is the same. He is not an anti- vax-
This is more or less what he is saying...
His credentials show that he is a pro-vaccine person.... he has managed vaccine programs his life long.
Min 10 - 12: Protect the elderly, but allow the young to get it -(like chicken pox)
Min15:50 The vaccination is a brilliant weapon as prophylactic. But not when the virus is rampant
Min22:00 the Virus mutates in 10 hours, we will never catch up.
min 25:00 Antibiotics work well when there is a good match, Vaxs as well
Min 32 : there are 2 steps. Natural Killer cells kill the invader, Step 2 -Antibodies clean up the mess afterwards. The current vaccines improve step 2 wonderfully, but at the cost of step 1.
Min 38:These vaccines dominate over natural immunity - works well if there is a good match, but since the virus mutates, we have strong weapons but for the wrong battle.

Min 38 - 44: Here the comments from Del Bigtree are very clear and this is the thrust of what is being said. Each Vaccine will have to get stronger and stronger to overwrite the older ones, and each time at the cost of the natural killer cells. Like antibiotics. If we get this, we are starting a process that kills our natural immune systems. Once you have it, you cannot get rid of it.
Min 52. What if you have to take the vaccine...
Min 56. already the strains are coming from countries where there was the most early testing, and (my opinion, USA and Israel will be the source of the next deadly strains)
1:00.00 It is not a discussion of pro or anti vaccine.
1.03.00 the original video.

bookmark for later

Yowzers.

Dr. Bossche's credentials as a vaccine creator are quite impressive. He is the opposite of 'anti vaxxer'

You can find his bio here: https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/
click "About".

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Geert Vanden Bossche (DVM, PhD)
Geert Vanden Bossche received his DVM from the University of Ghent, Belgium, and his PhD degree in Virology from the University of Hohenheim, Germany. He held adjunct faculty appointments at universities in Belgium and Germany. After his career in Academia, Geert joined several vaccine companies (GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals) to serve various roles in vaccine R&D as well as in late vaccine development. Geert then moved on to join the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation's Global Health Discovery team in Seattle (USA) as Senior Program Officer; he then worked with the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) in Geneva as Senior Ebola Program Manager. At GAVI he tracked efforts to develop an Ebola vaccine. He also represented GAVI in fora with other partners, including WHO, to review progress on the fight against Ebola and to build plans for global pandemic preparedness. Back in 2015, Geert scrutinized and questioned the safety of the Ebola vaccine that was used in ring vaccination trials conducted by WHO in Guinea. His critical scientific analysis and report on the data published by WHO in the Lancet in 2015 was sent to all international health and regulatory authorities involved in the Ebola vaccination program. After working for GAVI, Geert joined the German Center for Infection Research in Cologne as Head of the Vaccine Development Office. He is at present primarily serving as a Biotech/ Vaccine consultant while also conducting his own research on Natural Killer cell-based vaccines.

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Anyone accusing him of being a whack 'antivaxxer' conspiracy nut, is a fool!

All he is doing is destroying his entire reputation and legacy by issuing this dire warning. He is doing it because he feels a moral responsibility and for the sake of his kids and all of humanity.

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What exactly did he say? 80% overall? Even the most optimistic projections Ive seen dont suggest that. I'd say optimistically were are around 40-50%, and a month or two away from 60%.

Now, 80% of the most susceptible population? Maybe. Even then I'd say 60-70% but I really don't know for sure.

Then again, this spread through December and January was pretty big, and 20% have received their first dose.

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I could see 80% in the most densely populated areas where social distancing measures aren't followed or aren't as feasible as suburban and rural. Combine a 70% infection rate with a 10% vaccination rate and 80% is possible.

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Another CDC webpage states that getting COVID-19 may offer some natural protection or immunity.

"Current evidence suggests that reinfection with the virus that causes COVID-19 is uncommon in the 90 days after initial infection. However, experts don't know for sure how long this protection lasts, and the risk of severe illness and death from COVID-19 far outweighs any benefits of natural immunity," it states. "COVID-19 vaccination will help protect you by creating an antibody (immune system) response without having to experience sickness."

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They do not know and they are actually wrong, more and more evidence is coming out that those who have had CV 19 are carrying significant resistance to getting it again. Plus the animal testing of previous attempts at this sort of 'vax' led to the death of the animals when they came across a variant (mutation) that the vax was not created for. --(Mentioned in the Dr. Bossche and Dr. Millan interveiw --Millan brings it up!) This virus mutates much faster then they can create new vaxxes for. Del does a great job of showing how these specific 'vax stimulated' antibodies can cause great harm to the 'natural immune system' and this is the key to Bossche's concern.
We are meddling with things that are very dangerous here. If Bossche is right and he doesn't suggest that he is, he says he knows he is, We are facing a major death even in the fall when the inevitable variants that will come, That is why Fauci the fool is pushing for mask and the like to continue to protect against variants. He knows this could be a major follow up event and they are looking to pass the blame on to a new super strain, Well they will have created that new super strain with their vaccine resistant strains that they created.

The video is a must watch if you want to know and not bury your head in the sand or in the 'antivaxxer' rhetoric.

So why did we need a prophalacitc vax for a CV that has little impact on the vast majority of the pop? Especially when we have prove therapys like HCQ Ithat was attacked by a debunked study) and Ivermectin that we know works?

They now have to create a blame shift for the coming event to try to save their own backsides! Gates even said that the next pandemic they will take seriously and smirks. He knows!

Guy makes a compelling case. Would love to hear a point by point rebuttal from other immunologists on the board