How can cops be so ignorant of something as simple as Texas's Failure to ID law?

You only have to identify if under arrest, or detained while driving or carrying a handgun with a license to carry.

Kudos to the officers for their restraint and not arresting him for resisting arrest. /s

Blinky looking for a new job. Doubt he'd qualify as a mall cop at this point.

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Blinky looking for a new job. Doubt he'd qualify as a mall cop at this point.

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Blinky has stripes on his sleeve. Don't ask me how...

Damn, hate to see that.
SAPD is a pretty good Dept.
If ya call and raise hell with the chief be nice.
He's my BIL and a really solid guy.

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Damn, hate to see that.
SAPD is a pretty good Dept.
If ya call and raise hell with the chief be nice.
He's my BIL and a really solid guy.

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Starts at the top and it floats downhill.

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Fat moron cop does fat moron thing. Unfortunately with the lack of support cops get these days and the relaxation of standards due to fewer competent people wanting the job, we are going to get more and more of these absolute dolts in positions of power.

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Yeah.

I saw a post yesterday on this board from a cop saying he as leaving and so were other decent cops. Getting out because of lack of support and all this blm/antifa nonsense.

Dude gonna get a nice payday as well as he should. Blinky should be knocked back down to meter maid.

Careful.....

"We get it bro, you hate cops."
-Texags.com back the blue poster

I'm sure this cop could always get a job with the Keller PD.

Or Fort Worthless

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How can cops be so ignorant of something as simple as Texas's Failure to ID law?

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Hard to believe these days, but overall it's a training issue. Every cop should be able to explain the ID laws and filming laws, otherwise their is a failure in training. There are lots of laws, but these are so basic. Probably the questions they got wrong on their multiple choice test, but they still passed. Some things need to be essay/ short answer.

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I saw a post yesterday on this board from a cop saying he as leaving and so were other decent cops. Getting out because of lack of support and all this blm/antifa nonsense.

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Resigning from a Texas PD because of "BLM/ANTIFA nonsense" or fears of defunding is like resigning from Hawaii PD because you're afraid of snow.

Of course, candidates can be disqualified for being too smart, so it may happen anyway.

There aren't going to be doing any mass resignations from their well-paid union job with great benefits and a pension (imagine such a concept in 2021).

A fun article I found trying to find some actual info on police resignations...

12 police in Knightstown, Indiana resigned over internal power struggle. Knightstown has 2100 citizens.

For those of you super super worried about taxes you should probably ask some questions about how massive these police departments are.

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Hard to believe these days, but overall it's a training issue. Every cop should be able to explain the ID laws and filming laws, otherwise their is a failure in training. There are lots of laws, but these are so basic. Probably the questions they got wrong on their multiple choice test, but they still passed. Some things need to be essay/ short answer.

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They have the law on their side.
If Mr. Policeman tells you to do something, then you do it.
Otherwise you will get roughed up and charged with resisting.
This is why we have the Police Protection Act in Texas.

See also:
"Just comply with lawful orders"

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So you think it's generally a good idea to attack police officers? Are you from Texas? Did you have parents?
-aginlakeway

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This officer tried to arrest a Black father in front of his own home after incorrectl

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Provide your ID or at least your name! I've been asked to identify myself in front of my own home due to a call the cops got about a random person up to no good. I gave them my ID and- holy **** - the police were able to assure themselves I actually lived there. This is not a race issue, it's a respect issue.
-texan12

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Careful.....

"We get it bro, you hate cops."
-Texags.com back the blue poster

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We get it, you hate all police.

Kudos to Mr. Miller for 1) knowing his rights and 2) exercising them.

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Kudos to Mr. Miller for 1) knowing his rights and 2) exercising them.

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Could've been the first sign that he wasn't the stumbling, intoxicated, customer.

That supervisor seemed pretty annoyed at the misunderstanding of failure to ID laws. I bet this isn't the first time for this kind of issue.

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Resigning from a Texas PD because of "BLM/ANTIFA nonsense" or fears of defunding is like resigning from Hawaii PD because you're afraid of snow.

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That depends on where you work. Rule of thumb is to avoid large city departments. Portland is, of course experiencing this because of its ongoing problems. You may dismiss them as freaks, but when they fire your diversity recruiter, then cut your budget, then say don't expect any new hires for the next year, it degrades the performance and morale of your personnel. And good police officers have a wide skill set to translate to the marketplace; they don't need the aggravation of identity politics at work.

Sue the department/city for all they are worth. Hopefully he never has to work again in his life.

I blame the good cops that allow bad cops to stay employed more than I blame the bad cops here.

We reward bad behavior from our government with paid time off and slap on the wrists too much these days.

Man, do they even bother to train these dumbasses? Don't know the law? Wow, disturbing

Portland, Texas is not having BLM/ANTIFA problems.

Good luck with that.

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Good luck with that.

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Thank you for your contribution to this thread....

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Cassius said:

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I saw a post yesterday on this board from a cop saying he as leaving and so were other decent cops. Getting out because of lack of support and all this blm/antifa nonsense.

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Resigning from a Texas PD because of "BLM/ANTIFA nonsense" or fears of defunding is like resigning from Hawaii PD because you're afraid of snow.

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Ok, that's moronic.

Its quite legitimate for cops to fear being railroaded and prosecuted for killing or injuring your fellow libs who happen to be black criminals engaged in crime or resisting arrest. That is happening right now.

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Sue the department/city for all they are worth. Hopefully he never has to work again in his life.

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This take is dumb on a couple of levels. Yes, Mr. Miller was wronged by Blinky and is rightfully POed. Blinky should face disciplinary consequences, including termination if he's has a record of exercising poor judgment or not following the law. But no, Mr. Miller is not owed a life on easy street for the next 50-60 years by the fellow tax payers of SA. Monetary compensation should be commiserate with the injury, and 7-figures+ is in no way proportional to being manhandled during an arrest/detained for a couple of hours (or witnessing the same happen to your parent for that matter). Should the rest of the police force be laid off and the people of SA go without law enforcement because of Blinky's relatively-minor error? I guess the Portlandia mentality is spreading.

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AgHunter2011 said:

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Sue the department/city for all they are worth. Hopefully he never has to work again in his life.

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This take is dumb on a couple of levels. Yes, Mr. Miller was wronged by Blinky and is rightfully POed. Blinky should face disciplinary consequences, including termination if he's has a record of exercising poor judgment or not following the law. But no, Mr. Miller is not owed a life on easy street for the next 50-60 years by the fellow tax payers of SA. Monetary compensation should be commiserate with the injury, and 7-figures+ is in no way proportional to being manhandled during an arrest/detained for a couple of hours (or witnessing the same happen to your parent for that matter). Should the rest of the police force be laid off and the people of SA go without law enforcement because of Blinky's relatively-minor error? I guess the Portlandia mentality is spreading.

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The reason that the awards in lawsuits like this should be high is to keep this **** in check. If it is a slap on the wrist and a bump on a gnat's ass in terms of fiscal 'pain' inflicted on the city/PD, what is to stop them from continuing with their lax training and unlawful use of force? Punitive damages are necessary to have some semblance or reigning in the power that some of these dumbass cops THINK they have.

The "dumbass" and his supervisors won't be paying those punitive damages, the tax payers of SA will. If department personnel were personally liable for a judgment, then that would be different. But then you really would have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find your police force.

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Mr. AGSPRT04 said:

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AgHunter2011 said:

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Sue the department/city for all they are worth. Hopefully he never has to work again in his life.

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This take is dumb on a couple of levels. Yes, Mr. Miller was wronged by Blinky and is rightfully POed. Blinky should face disciplinary consequences, including termination if he's has a record of exercising poor judgment or not following the law. But no, Mr. Miller is not owed a life on easy street for the next 50-60 years by the fellow tax payers of SA. Monetary compensation should be commiserate with the injury, and 7-figures+ is in no way proportional to being manhandled during an arrest/detained for a couple of hours (or witnessing the same happen to your parent for that matter). Should the rest of the police force be laid off and the people of SA go without law enforcement because of Blinky's relatively-minor error? I guess the Portlandia mentality is spreading.

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The reason that the awards in lawsuits like this should be high is to keep this **** in check. If it is a slap on the wrist and a bump on a gnat's ass in terms of fiscal 'pain' inflicted on the city/PD, what is to stop them from continuing with their lax training and unlawful use of force? Punitive damages are necessary to have some semblance or reigning in the power that some of these dumbass cops THINK they have.

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I know a couple people in SA that should have to pay a bigger chunk than others, namely my exbil and his crackhead brother

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The "dumbass" and his supervisors won't be paying those punitive damages, the tax payers of SA will. If department personnel were personally liable for a judgment, then that would be different. But then you really would have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find your police force.

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So, how do you stop it then if their is no accountability?

Where did I suggest no one should be held accountable? As I have suggested:

1. Disciplinary action, up to and including termination, depending on Blinky's track record.
2. Reasonable, compensatory damages to Mr. Miller. Not "never have to work again" money or "all the department/city is worth" kind of money.

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3. You get the government you deserve in a republic. I presume the PD answers to the mayor/city manager/city council...organize to apply pressure to the political branch of local government. If desired reform is not implemented, vote the bums out.

Cops should have better pay and better training. They should not have qualified immunity.

I hate that tax payers have to come out of pocket but this guy needs to get paid.

It's sad that random citizens have a better understanding of the law than paid "professionals". And it was 3 guys, you'd think one of them would know the basic law. This was not some minute aspect of a complicated legal code. Ultimately the officers can beat up a dude, take away his kid, threaten him, cause financial harm (if he were to be arrested) because he has brown curley hair and he won't do what they tell him to do even though their command was not a lawful command.

If officers would take a chill when dealing with reasonable people it could go a long way to get public support. This man wasn't even rude to them.