BoydCrowder13 said:

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Ramdiesel said:

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Old McDonald said:

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Ramdiesel said:

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The difference between us and you dip****s is we will actually question the government, the media, and even people in our own parties actions..You see it even on this thread, but you still look at us as some kind of mindless minion Trump followers.

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then perhaps you ought to start questioning why these claims of fraud aren't being brought to court, and when they are why they're getting laughed out of the room across the board. surely if the election was stolen from mr. trump there would be some recourse available through the courts. unless you think the entire us judicial system is out to get him too.

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In order to have evidence, there has to be an actual investigation...Do you think the FBI that spied on Trumps campaign and did everything they could to help bring him down will now seriously investigate election fraud for him? The FBI hasn't done crap in years; except, protect their deep state masters...

Any fricking fraud investigator in the real world outside DC could look at just the numbers alone in this election, the statistical anomolies and irregularities, and tell you there needs to be an investigation into fraud...Where's the investigation? The only real help Trump's team has gotten at this point is the court in Michigan allowing them to Audit the Dominion machines in Michigan where there were counting irregularities...Again, why wasnt this already investigated by the FBI? Why does Trumps team have to hire outside contractors to investigste this when our tax money pays the DOJ and FBI to investigate crap like this.

Maybe you and I both should question why the FBI is getting paid by our tax money and doing nothing to investigate irregularities, videos that appear to show fraud in Georgia and Nevada, and thousands of affidavits claiming fraud in a Presidential election.

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Trump had 4 years to clean up even a portion of the FBI. From your description, it is more corrupt than ever. Sounds like a pretty incompetent leader.

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Talk to your apostle Schumer about this.

BoydCrowder13 said:

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Ramdiesel said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Ramdiesel said:

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Well you DEMs just voted in the person who used the FBI as part of their deep state operation to spy on Trump, so back at you.. By the way, where's Hunter these days? Probably partying it up since his laptop is no longer an issue...That is it won't be an issue unless you think Joe Biden is going to clean up the FBI?

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Voted for Trump. Just roll my eyes at all the deep staters. You guys make Trump sound like the most incompetent man ever to be in office.

4 years and his whole Cabinet were evil RINO plants, his generals were political animals and Dems, the FBI and CIA were deep state spies, any liberal policies or spending weren't Trump's fault, etc.

He has the power to choose his own Cabinet, generals, FBI and CIA leadership and sign bills into law. And yet the deep state and government grew bigger under his leadership? What the hell was he doing?!

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I agree, he appointed a lot of the wrong people. He was alone in a sea of swamp creatures, honestly...I think things would have been much different had the FBI not set up Flynn on Day 1. That dude scared the crap out of Obama and the Deep State..So much so that Obama made a point to tell Trump he was dangerous and could not be trusted before he left office. He might have gave Trump some really good advice on how to clean up the Swamp in DC. Have you ever seen the documentary about Flynn that the Congressman Devon Nunes helped make? Pretty good stuff. Flynn was a war hero, and made many innovations on how the military fought Jihadist/terrorists. I guess Obama didnt like that he was efficient at killing his Muslim brothers...

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Maybe it wasn't the best idea to have an "outsider" in the White House. For all his talk about fighting the swamp, he had absolutely no idea how to fight them and hired mostly swamp people into his administration.

Only hope we can come up with a better option in 2024. At the end of the day, Trump didn't enact any meaningful change (just like Obama). Nearly all of his actions were by executive order, his tax cuts expire for individuals and no other meaningful legislation was completed.

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You have a point there, but it doesn't lead to a candidate in the WH able to do it. Even at risk of Civil War, a group of states needs to get together and by a combination of nullification and demand start taking power back away from D.C. They need to demand the departments be dispersed around the 50 states as well, to break up the concentration of crony wealth in that corridor up to Manhattan. Only the 50 states can force reform of the Beltway. If anyone could have, it was President Trump's forceful manner---- what he has simply proven is it cannot be reformed from within or by internal process of the federal action. It will simply encapsulate and has.

This would short of the convoluted Convention of States approach (another option to be sure) and just an informal `inventing' and use of power much like the federal deep state has been doing. It would be a coalition of fed up states simply leveraging change. The dispersal one particularly would start having some immediate impact if imposed.

Why am I here? said:

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Seriously, you can't possibly be that obtuse.

Definition of "fact" - The truth about events as opposed to interpretation.

So in the list of events above ALL are witnessed by the masses as FACTS. They did actually in the REAL world occur. We all saw most of it happening in real time. Now, as far as your lack of intellect to be able to logically follow those facts to their obvious conclusion I can't help you with that. You seem to be under the control of the Leftist puppet masters. Maybe one day someone will cut the strings for you and let you know what true freedom feels like.

And I have to laugh at all of you liberals who believe people who THINK for themselves and don't buy media BS from either party or media outlets are somehow the cult followers or brain-washed. Your hypocrisy is reaching levels even Charles Manson would be jealous of!!!!

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Yeah, Conservatives are above being manipulated. Be careful when you realize that you're average as well.

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Ramdiesel said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Ramdiesel said:

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Old McDonald said:

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Ramdiesel said:

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The difference between us and you dip****s is we will actually question the government, the media, and even people in our own parties actions..You see it even on this thread, but you still look at us as some kind of mindless minion Trump followers.

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then perhaps you ought to start questioning why these claims of fraud aren't being brought to court, and when they are why they're getting laughed out of the room across the board. surely if the election was stolen from mr. trump there would be some recourse available through the courts. unless you think the entire us judicial system is out to get him too.

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In order to have evidence, there has to be an actual investigation...Do you think the FBI that spied on Trumps campaign and did everything they could to help bring him down will now seriously investigate election fraud for him? The FBI hasn't done crap in years; except, protect their deep state masters...

Any fricking fraud investigator in the real world outside DC could look at just the numbers alone in this election, the statistical anomolies and irregularities, and tell you there needs to be an investigation into fraud...Where's the investigation? The only real help Trump's team has gotten at this point is the court in Michigan allowing them to Audit the Dominion machines in Michigan where there were counting irregularities...Again, why wasnt this already investigated by the FBI? Why does Trumps team have to hire outside contractors to investigste this when our tax money pays the DOJ and FBI to investigate crap like this.

Maybe you and I both should question why the FBI is getting paid by our tax money and doing nothing to investigate irregularities, videos that appear to show fraud in Georgia and Nevada, and thousands of affidavits claiming fraud in a Presidential election.

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Trump had 4 years to clean up even a portion of the FBI. From your description, it is more corrupt than ever. Sounds like a pretty incompetent leader.

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Well you DEMs just voted in the person who used the FBI as part of their deep state operation to spy on Trump, so back at you.. By the way, where's Hunter these days? Probably partying it up since his laptop is no longer an issue...That is it won't be an issue unless you think Joe Biden is going to clean up the FBI?

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The deep state. A nebulous "group" that can be blamed for everything that "hurt" Trump but can't actually be found. Just blame it on blue unicorns instead and it's as valid.

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Keep burying your head in the sand. Even Chinese officials have come out and said they have people at the "top levels" of our government bought and paid for. No Deep State here though, right? Just a boatload of corruption..

Ramdiesel said:

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Ramdiesel said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Ramdiesel said:

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Old McDonald said:

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Ramdiesel said:

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The difference between us and you dip****s is we will actually question the government, the media, and even people in our own parties actions..You see it even on this thread, but you still look at us as some kind of mindless minion Trump followers.

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then perhaps you ought to start questioning why these claims of fraud aren't being brought to court, and when they are why they're getting laughed out of the room across the board. surely if the election was stolen from mr. trump there would be some recourse available through the courts. unless you think the entire us judicial system is out to get him too.

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In order to have evidence, there has to be an actual investigation...Do you think the FBI that spied on Trumps campaign and did everything they could to help bring him down will now seriously investigate election fraud for him? The FBI hasn't done crap in years; except, protect their deep state masters...

Any fricking fraud investigator in the real world outside DC could look at just the numbers alone in this election, the statistical anomolies and irregularities, and tell you there needs to be an investigation into fraud...Where's the investigation? The only real help Trump's team has gotten at this point is the court in Michigan allowing them to Audit the Dominion machines in Michigan where there were counting irregularities...Again, why wasnt this already investigated by the FBI? Why does Trumps team have to hire outside contractors to investigste this when our tax money pays the DOJ and FBI to investigate crap like this.

Maybe you and I both should question why the FBI is getting paid by our tax money and doing nothing to investigate irregularities, videos that appear to show fraud in Georgia and Nevada, and thousands of affidavits claiming fraud in a Presidential election.

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Trump had 4 years to clean up even a portion of the FBI. From your description, it is more corrupt than ever. Sounds like a pretty incompetent leader.

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Well you DEMs just voted in the person who used the FBI as part of their deep state operation to spy on Trump, so back at you.. By the way, where's Hunter these days? Probably partying it up since his laptop is no longer an issue...That is it won't be an issue unless you think Joe Biden is going to clean up the FBI?

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The deep state. A nebulous "group" that can be blamed for everything that "hurt" Trump but can't actually be found. Just blame it on blue unicorns instead and it's as valid.

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Keep burying your head in the sand. Even Chinese officials have come out and said they have people at the "top levels" of our government bought and paid for. No Deep State here though, right? Just a boatload of corruption..

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Please provide the source of your claim.

Both sides try to manipulate the masses. It's their job!!!

The point is more people need to quit being LAZY and think for themselves!!! Research important topics and know what are facts vs opinions.

I get it - voter fraud is terribly difficult to prove. Once a bad ballot gets in the mix you can't tell which one it is. So, Trump may very well lose his case simply because although it is logical and obvious some bad things went on in those four cities - PROVING IT is a completely different animal.

My last point is this: clear thinking, fact based critical thinking should lead most people to at a minimum question what happened and do a thorough investigation of the signatures, voter rolls, and Dominion machines. And, if Dems oppose it so hard, then why? That also leads to logical thinking they must have something to hide.

If elections should be honest and transparent- then this country failed in that endeavor.

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As a life long Republican, I laugh at the GOP at this point.

They have done nothing.

Talk about not knowing your base. I will never vote for an incumbent against sans Ted Cruz and he is not untouchable at this point.

We conservatives need to primary every single R in Texas till they are all gone.

Or is it time to start a new party? The GOP thinks we are going back to the way things were...

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100% correct good Sir. I blame the establishment republicans (AKA THE SWAMP) as much as the complicit media for the mess we're in.

Why am I here? said:

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Seriously, you can't possibly be that obtuse.

Definition of "fact" - The truth about events as opposed to interpretation.

So in the list of events above ALL are witnessed by the masses as FACTS. They did actually in the REAL world occur. We all saw most of it happening in real time. Now, as far as your lack of intellect to be able to logically follow those facts to their obvious conclusion I can't help you with that. You seem to be under the control of the Leftist puppet masters. Maybe one day someone will cut the strings for you and let you know what true freedom feels like.

And I have to laugh at all of you liberals who believe people who THINK for themselves and don't buy media BS from either party or media outlets are somehow the cult followers or brain-washed. Your hypocrisy is reaching levels even Charles Manson would be jealous of!!!!

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Okay whatever you say. I won't get into a battle of wits with you since you seemed to be unarmed. (and I raise you 2 laughing emoji's).

Edit: And why do you assume that everyone who disagrees with you is a liberal? This was the first time ever I didn't vote for a Republican presidential nominee (but still all R's down ballot).

Old McDonald said:

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trump underperformed downballot Rs almost across the board. coming to his rescue by entertaining his delusional attempts to subvert the election is far from the will of their constituents.

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This is another way to say there was a very strange and huge amount of ballots that marked Biden only and no down-ballot vote, not even congress.

Why am I here? said:

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Seriously, you can't possibly be that obtuse.

Definition of "fact" - The truth about events as opposed to interpretation.

So in the list of events above ALL are witnessed by the masses as FACTS. They did actually in the REAL world occur. We all saw most of it happening in real time. Now, as far as your lack of intellect to be able to logically follow those facts to their obvious conclusion I can't help you with that. You seem to be under the control of the Leftist puppet masters. Maybe one day someone will cut the strings for you and let you know what true freedom feels like.

And I have to laugh at all of you liberals who believe people who THINK for themselves and don't buy media BS from either party or media outlets are somehow the cult followers or brain-washed. Your hypocrisy is reaching levels even Charles Manson would be jealous of!!!!

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Its an absolute fact I do see jet contrails in the sky. Though, I don't subscribe to the conspiracy theory they are some sort of government developed chemical agent for mind control

Glad you are coming around!!!

Seriously, if your intentions or motives are honest then you are not in the group I am talking about.

But, anyone who thinks "there is nothing to see, just move along" on this election are either very naive at best and dangerous at worst for this country.

We should demand honest/transparent elections. Even if our team loses, we should at least have an honest defeat. There are way too many questions not resolved to acknowledge that being the case with this election. If folks aren't even open minded enough to even question what their fed, then what's the point in even having an election?