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dermdoc said:

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dermdoc said:

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For getting a covid vaccine this fast. And creating an economy that is able to rebound with all the stuff going on. And signing unprecedented ME peace agreements.

Unfortunately, I think history books will erroneously give all this credit to Biden.

Best President of my lifetime and not trolling. Reagan was good but not as good as Trump.

His only sin was being unlikeable.

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Reagan earned a second term by a landslide and was actually a republican and an intelligent human being. Jesus H. Christ.

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I loved Reagan. Unsure if he would have been able to handle what Trump went through as far as social and main stream media.

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Ten times better. Reagan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Trump. oops too many GT's. Not even close Doc.

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Yep. And even Reagan wasn't the conservative dynamo he's made out to be but he was the GOAT, still.

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No. Reagan passed emtala, issued amnesty, and dramatically increased the national debt.

Trump is far more conservative than Reagan ever was.

You just don't like him personally.

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Trump increased the debt more than him. He also is anti-2a and protectionist, etc.

Reagan >>>>>>>>Trump, and its not even close.


Trump has been better than I expected, but that was a LOOOOOOW bar to hurdle.

Can't believe there are people still pushing HQC. When push came to shove, Trump didnt take it. He took the experimentals.

Look at President Reagan's speeches, how addressed things like riots and even foreshadowed the problem of passing on love of America and accurate understanding of our history down through generations.

He was truly great and conservative. Too much is made of the amnesty thing--- -Reagan was the first victim of the new breed of Democrat where Left = Liar. The very last phase of that party being able to be being spoken of as loyal to the national interest is over by the end of Clinton's admin. Amnesty for the 11 mill already here in the context and as an attempt to get right to the issue, was a defensible gamble.

And no one has any business forgetting that President Reagan's administration was fighting and winning World War III. Academia and the media both seem to have a vested interest in downplaying the Cold War, but it was in fact WW III successfully fought in a 4th gen and by proxy style, and avoided the nuclear showdown.

Against that distraction Reagan falling a little short on any domestic matter can be forgiven.

Reagan agreed to amnesty because the Democrats lied to him. They said they would secure the border and stop illegal immigrations if he would go along with them. Now, here we are with probably 22 million illegal aliens, not the 11 million that Biden reports. Congress should get tough and pass a bill on immigration, but first they need uphold our current laws. Then, create a unit which concentrates on people who have overstayed their visas. Get them out of the country immediately.
The only way to have peace between Israel and Iran/Palestine is to make Iran/Palestine a parking lot with nuclear weapons. At least, Israel has taken a much more surgical route to control Iran, so far.

The USSR and communism crumbled under Reagan's leadership. There is nothing Trump has accomplished remotely close to that. Reagan ushered in arguably 20+ years of conservative principles being adopted and implemented. Even Bill Clinton agreed to balance a budget and clamp down on crime.

Trump's legacy will be nowhere near that. We may continue to play serious hardball with China (good). Hopefully we don't continue to be toxic to each other and broadly paint sides as good and evil while retreating into cable news echo chambers (bad). If his legacy is also an expectation by voters that government shouldn't be boring but entertaining, well, we'll be living Idiocracy and watering our yards with electrolytes soon enough.

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We wouldn't be in such dire need of a vaccine if he'd taken this thing seriously and been a leader from the very beginning.

The economy and stock market are not the same thing.

Meaningless Middle East peace agreements don't count. Unless it's Israel/Palestine or Israel/Iran, it doesn't matter.

Worst president of all time, and that includes William Henry Harrison.

250,000+ unnecessary dead on his watch. So much for being a recordholder.

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So do you blame the deaths of other people in other countries on their respective Presidents/Leaders as well?

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Emotional Support Statue said:

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More like saved 1,700,000 based on early predictions.

Mental gymnastics going on here. The states killed small businesses. I'll hang up and wait while you explain the way you would save small businesses and lock down at the same time.

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I'm still waiting on the leftist bomb-throwers to answer this excellent question. Them and their pro-lockdown coronabro brethren would have left the economy in smoldering ruins with full control. They worship the nursing home killer Cuomo while blaming Trump for every death. Rich.

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"They worship the nursing home killer Cuomo while blaming Trump for every death. Rich."

This needs repeating and should result in Cuomo being charged with involuntary man slaughter at minimum, along with officials in New Jersey and Pennsylvania who did the same thing.

Yet the minions in these states will in all probability vote these criminals back into office. Much of the blame rests on the complicit media.

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Good for you.

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Thanks. Can you think of anything Trump did that has had negative repercussions?

Do you think AOC or people like her would have the platform they do if Trump was not president from 2016-2020?

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Question #1 - of course, he has not been perfect.

Question #2 - of course she would have won. SJL, and Maxine have been winning elections for years, and they are not all that different from AOC. Trump did not start the path to idiocy in 2016. We were WELL on our way to that..

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Agreed. People forget Bernie Sanders has been around a long time and it can be argued he was cheated out of the nomination twice. He had supporters who openly stated if he didn't get the nomination cities would burn, and they did burn this summer.

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Let Operation Warp Speed be his legacy. My only regret is that it was even necessary given that we already had HCQ + zinc.

Ditto POTUS. Reagan couldn't hold a candle. And if you think he wasn't likable and that it was Trump's sin, that seems like it's more on you than him.

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HCQ is not effective. But you do you.

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That's a bold statement. How do you know, or are you regurgitating a political position?

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If HCQ is effective then Trump absolutely failed by not having the CDC and FDA prove it.

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Odd that Trump took a variety of experimental therapies when he got COVID. You'd think he would just stick with the good ole HCQ.

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Not surprising that anyone would take more effective treatments as they are developed. Your logic is twisted again.

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Let Operation Warp Speed be his legacy. My only regret is that it was even necessary given that we already had HCQ + zinc.

Ditto POTUS. Reagan couldn't hold a candle. And if you think he wasn't likable and that it was Trump's sin, that seems like it's more on you than him.

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HCQ is not effective. But you do you.

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That's a bold statement. How do you know, or are you regurgitating a political position?

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If HCQ is effective then Trump absolutely failed by not having the CDC and FDA prove it.

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So tell me how Trump is supposed to do that? And please tell me the process how meds get FDA approval to substantiate your question.

You ever tried to get a med approved?

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President is getting a vaccine that has been never used approved in less than a year.

If hcq worked it could have happened much faster as it's an already known safe drug.

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At the time President Trump was suggesting doctors look into the benefits of HCQ, the HCQ w/ supplements like zinc it was one of the most effective therapeutics available AT THAT TIME.

https://c19study.com/

This site is still being updated and:

Early
64%
192 HCQ studies
126 peer reviewed


Early treatment shows high efficacy
100% of studies report positive effects. 64% is the median improvement.
Late
29%
76% of studies report positive effects.

What that shows is when given early there is a reduction of 64% based on 192 studies (126 peer reviewed).
Also when given early: "100% of studies report positive effects. 64% is the median improvement."

The reason this continues to be important is many nations will not see the new treatments whether therapeutic or preventatives for years because of cost. The people who have complete distinction foe HCQ plus supplements are deranged and anti science.

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Can't believe there are people still pushing HQC. When push came to shove, Trump didnt take it. He took the experimentals.

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Actually President Trump did take it early on as a therapeutic but discontinued using it. When he contracted COVID newer more effective therapeutics had been developed, which he then took.

Of course people are still pushing HCQ plus supplements BECAUSE MOST OF THE PLANET's NATIONS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD NEWER THERAPEUTICS OR VACCINES.

https://c19study.com/

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C19trial.com lists a lot of non scientific retrospectives and non controlled studies. Every blind placebo controlled trial in the world, over 60 to date, shows no benefit to HCQ.

No drug in the world has ever been as unequivocally proven futile in treating a disease as HCQ for covid. It was developed for malaria which isn't even a virus.

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You didn't even look at the site.

192 HCQ studies, 126 peer reviewed.

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Moderna created their vaccine with private funding in January while Trump was still calling it a hoax, flu, goes away in a few days.

The Pfizer vaccine was developed in Germany by Biontech.

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And Pfizer received $0 from the federal govt.

Trump continues to harass biotech and pharma companies on pricing while also looking to claim their successes......typical Trump logic

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When do you go back to criticizing pharma for making a profit?

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Peer reviewed means it was reviewed by peers it doesn't mean it's blind placebo controlled. Peers can review bad studies.

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I know what peer reviewed means and you still haven't looked at the site because there are studies with blind studies using control (untreated) groups and placebo control groups.

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Look at President Reagan's speeches, how addressed things like riots and even foreshadowed the problem of passing on love of America and accurate understanding of our history down through generations.

He was truly great and conservative. Too much is made of the amnesty thing--- -Reagan was the first victim of the new breed of Democrat where Left = Liar. The very last phase of that party being able to be being spoken of as loyal to the national interest is over by the end of Clinton's admin. Amnesty for the 11 mill already here in the context and as an attempt to get right to the issue, was a defensible gamble.

And no one has any business forgetting that President Reagan's administration was fighting and winning World War III. Academia and the media both seem to have a vested interest in downplaying the Cold War, but it was in fact WW III successfully fought in a 4th gen and by proxy style, and avoided the nuclear showdown.

Against that distraction Reagan falling a little short on any domestic matter can be forgiven.

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This a thousand times. No more SS-N-20 SLBM's aimed at my kids. Thanks Ronald and you broke the commies.

Fighting a WW even a cold one isn't cheap. I cant believe the dunces that throw the cost of winning this on Reagan. Great money spent unlike the DEMwits who spend money to make the pop dependent and the gov tit.

Wow

So what exactly is the line that gets post deleted?

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You are extremely naive if you think there any less nukes pointed our way.

Reagan sold arms to Iran, banned assault weapons and ballooned the national deficit and debt.

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We wouldn't be in such dire need of a vaccine if he'd taken this thing seriously and been a leader from the very beginning.

The economy and stock market are not the same thing.

Meaningless Middle East peace agreements don't count. Unless it's Israel/Palestine or Israel/Iran, it doesn't matter.

Worst president of all time, and that includes William Henry Harrison.

250,000+ unnecessary dead on his watch. So much for being a recordholder.

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You're such a ****ing idiot. What the **** else should he have done in the beginning? What a lazy, regurgitated take based on your feels.

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Let Operation Warp Speed be his legacy. My only regret is that it was even necessary given that we already had HCQ + zinc.

Ditto POTUS. Reagan couldn't hold a candle. And if you think he wasn't likable and that it was Trump's sin, that seems like it's more on you than him.

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HCQ is not effective. But you do you.

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Yes it is my goodness

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What are current opinions on HCQ for Covid? It wasn't given to Trump when he had Covid. So, I assumed it must not be the wonder drug we all hoped it would be after all.

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Peer reviewed means it was reviewed by peers it doesn't mean it's blind placebo controlled. Peers can review bad studies.

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I know what peer reviewed means and you still haven't looked at the site because there are studies with blind studies using control (untreated) groups and placebo control groups.

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Nope. All placebo controlled blind studies show zero efficacy. Trump should have never tied a hitch to this wagon, the odds of an anti bacterial parasite drug working against a virus are extremely low.

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You are extremely naive if you think there any less nukes pointed our way.

Reagan sold arms to Iran, banned assault weapons and ballooned the national deficit and debt.

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Numbers and sources. You never have them.

Its why nobody respects your post. Just a troll

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His legacy is going to be 300,000+ dead and countless failed small businesses due to lack of leadership on COVID-19.

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That's less than .1% my friend... not 1% but .1%..... sure don't sound bad to me.... there's 328 million people in the US officially... and prolly closer to 400 million if you include the illegals here from your wonderful democrat buddies and their immigration laws.... so yea .1% means barring that I'm not over 70 and obese with another underlying condition, you can come cough in my face if you'd like... want to come check under my bed for the boogie man too??? GTHO of here with that mess

Wanna dive deeper?... theres 7.6 billion people in the world and only 1.5million have died world wide from it... thats only a .01% death rate... hahaha

And all of this doesn't even take into account that probably half the deaths called COVID deaths (at least in the US) were really bc of the underlying condition a patient had... but bc they had COVID simultaneously let's just put another tally mark down... this is so ridiculous... I wish you ran your own business and were forced to go belly up bc of a stupid shut down... I guarantee you, 99% of those that lost their livelihoods would go around licking doorknobs (regardless of their age) rather than shutting down... act like you are an A&M graduate...

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Best president in my lifetime

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Im assuming you were born yesterday.

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I feel that way about idiots that buy into socialism. Or the pathways to it.

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You are extremely naive if you think there any less nukes pointed our way.

Reagan sold arms to Iran, banned assault weapons and ballooned the national deficit and debt.

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Numbers and sources. You never have them.

Its why nobody respects your post. Just a troll

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That statement is wrong anyway in its basic thrust. There were less for a while. The draw-down was real. But the Bush and Obama administrations insisted on re-activating a cold war attitude toward Russia (probably for money reasons) and have done little this century to improve relations or even try to do so, despite very early century overtures by Putin to that effect. So now there may be again same number of nukes "pointed our way" but it is not a failure of Reagan's that that is true.

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We wouldn't be in such dire need of a vaccine if he'd taken this thing seriously and been a leader from the very beginning.

The economy and stock market are not the same thing.

Meaningless Middle East peace agreements don't count. Unless it's Israel/Palestine or Israel/Iran, it doesn't matter.

Worst president of all time, and that includes William Henry Harrison.

250,000+ unnecessary dead on his watch. So much for being a recordholder.

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Why does every democrat do mental gymnastics to avoid blaming CHINA for covid? It is completely their fault, yet Biden isn't going to make them pay. We should be stepping on their neck to break them, but China will just give Hunter another billion to bribe ole Joe.

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I Am A Critic said:

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We wouldn't be in such dire need of a vaccine if he'd taken this thing seriously and been a leader from the very beginning.

The economy and stock market are not the same thing.

Meaningless Middle East peace agreements don't count. Unless it's Israel/Palestine or Israel/Iran, it doesn't matter.

Worst president of all time, and that includes William Henry Harrison.

250,000+ unnecessary dead on his watch. So much for being a recordholder.

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Why does every democrat do mental gymnastics to avoid blaming CHINA for covid? It is completely their fault, yet Biden isn't going to make them pay. We should be stepping on their neck to break them, but China will just give Hunter another billion to bribe ole Joe.

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The italics is the WHY. The Biden family is beholden to China, and others. And no, Hunter had no value himself. Those jobs were influence peddling Biden's position as Vice President in the Obama admin.

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We wouldn't be in such dire need of a vaccine if he'd taken this thing seriously and been a leader from the very beginning.

The economy and stock market are not the same thing.

Meaningless Middle East peace agreements don't count. Unless it's Israel/Palestine or Israel/Iran, it doesn't matter.

Worst president of all time, and that includes William Henry Harrison.

250,000+ unnecessary dead on his watch. So much for being a recordholder.

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Why does every democrat do mental gymnastics to avoid blaming CHINA for covid? It is completely their fault, yet Biden isn't going to make them pay. We should be stepping on their neck to break them, but China will just give Hunter another billion to bribe ole Joe.

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The italics is the WHY. The Biden family is beholden to China, and others. And no, Hunter had no value himself. Those jobs were influence peddling Biden's position as Vice President in the Obama admin.

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Which is the problem - democrats voting for this man who is severely compromised

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I Am A Critic said:

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We wouldn't be in such dire need of a vaccine if he'd taken this thing seriously and been a leader from the very beginning.

The economy and stock market are not the same thing.

Meaningless Middle East peace agreements don't count. Unless it's Israel/Palestine or Israel/Iran, it doesn't matter.

Worst president of all time, and that includes William Henry Harrison.

250,000+ unnecessary dead on his watch. So much for being a recordholder.

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Why does every democrat do mental gymnastics to avoid blaming CHINA for covid? It is completely their fault, yet Biden isn't going to make them pay. We should be stepping on their neck to break them, but China will just give Hunter another billion to bribe ole Joe.

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Democrats and Liberals have a soft spot for communists. They especially look up to authoritarian regimes like China.