Trump got out voted because he's a jerk. Why is this so hard for you to believe? If there was cheating why did republicans pick up seats? If there was cheating why did Mitch win?

Good Lord. So many quitters on this thread. You sound just like the fools saying Russia Russia and he's not my President. In fact you sound WORSE because you want to quit on the future of our country.

The country REJECTED defund the police, pack the courts, Medicare for all, etc... We also FIRED trump.

Was there fraud in this election ? Of course. There is fraud in EVERY election from city council up. With mail in ballots , there was more than usual, I'm sure. But not 7 million votes fraud.

Its NOT time to quit. It's time to vote for what you believe in and maybe more now than ever.

GeorgiAg said:

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Trump got out voted because he's a jerk. Why is this so hard for you to believe? If there was cheating why did republicans pick up seats? If there was cheating why did Mitch win?

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It's super easy to believe because most liberal Democrats believe cheating is justified, if not righteous to get rid of Trump. So if they had the means and opportunity, it happened.

When you cheat, you have to cheat fast. Manipulating just the Trump/Biden votes is way faster and easier to conceal than trying to cheat all the way down-ballot.

I agree Republicans fought more in the last 4 years with Trump leading the way. The reality is Republicans lost every important battle. Barr failed to arrest a single Democrat with mountains of evidence. ACA wasn't repealed with Republicans total majority.

You have to break away from the binary political arguments. The GOP has selected W Bush, McCain, Romney, and Trump for their presidential nomination...that doesn't piss you off?

Here's a good reason to vote. Pendulums swing both ways my dudes...

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/11/26/exclusive-incoming-gop-rep-nicole-malliotakis-anti-socialist-freshman-class-here-to-preserve-america/

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Instead of giving up, why don't you fight for election reform so that we can ensure the integrity of future elections?

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HOW?

triplemiller said:

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I agree Republicans fought more in the last 4 years with Trump leading the way. The reality is Republicans lost every important battle. Barr failed to arrest a single Democrat with mountains of evidence. ACA wasn't repealed with Republicans total majority.

You have to break away from the binary political arguments. The GOP has selected W Bush, McCain, Romney, and Trump for their presidential nomination...that doesn't piss you off?

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Judges are a very important battle and Trump knocked those out of the park.

I wanted Rand in 2016. I couldn't stand Trump's personality. He's gotten more done than anyone since Reagan.

The idea he lost every important battle is blindness.

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Good Lord. So many quitters on this thread. You sound just like the fools saying Russia Russia and he's not my President. In fact you sound WORSE because you want to quit on the future of our country.

The country REJECTED defund the police, pack the courts, Medicare for all, etc... We also FIRED trump.

Was there fraud in this election ? Of course. There is fraud in EVERY election from city council up. With mail in ballots , there was more than usual, I'm sure. But not 7 million votes fraud.

Its NOT time to quit. It's time to vote for what you believe in and maybe more now than ever.

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Says the person who supported Biden and lets everyone on this board know it.

If your leaders have their way, defund the police, pack the courts, open border, etc will happen. And you will cheer it on.

I voted for what I believed in when I cast my vote for Trump. I don't care about personality.

And I will continue to support those who value freedom and limited govt. Not the worn out collectivist policies you vote for.

Trump tried, but since a large amount of DC Republicans in Congress are fake Republicans who were helping Democrats he never had a chance. The focus should be on gutting the GOP and installing conservatives with integrity. There's no other solution.

Gigem314 said:

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Good Lord. So many quitters on this thread. You sound just like the fools saying Russia Russia and he's not my President. In fact you sound WORSE because you want to quit on the future of our country.

The country REJECTED defund the police, pack the courts, Medicare for all, etc... We also FIRED trump.

Was there fraud in this election ? Of course. There is fraud in EVERY election from city council up. With mail in ballots , there was more than usual, I'm sure. But not 7 million votes fraud.

Its NOT time to quit. It's time to vote for what you believe in and maybe more now than ever.

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Says the person who supported Biden and lets everyone on this board know it.

If your leaders have their way, defund the police, pack the courts, open border, etc will happen. And you will cheer it on.

I voted for what I believed in when I cast my vote for Trump. I don't care about personality.

And I will continue to support those who value freedom and limited govt. Not the worn out collectivist policies you vote for.

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Am I happy to be able to call trump a LOSER, yes. But you are wrong about Biden policy of defund the police, pack the courts, etc.. That's the crazies on the far left, which I could no more vote for than I could vote for trump.

Biden is the crazy far left progressive Democrat. Just like Obama, Clinton, Harris, Pelosi, etc. Do some basic research...

Ags77 said:

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Good Lord. So many quitters on this thread. You sound just like the fools saying Russia Russia and he's not my President. In fact you sound WORSE because you want to quit on the future of our country.

The country REJECTED defund the police, pack the courts, Medicare for all, etc... We also FIRED trump.

Was there fraud in this election ? Of course. There is fraud in EVERY election from city council up. With mail in ballots , there was more than usual, I'm sure. But not 7 million votes fraud.

Its NOT time to quit. It's time to vote for what you believe in and maybe more now than ever.

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Says the person who supported Biden and lets everyone on this board know it.

If your leaders have their way, defund the police, pack the courts, open border, etc will happen. And you will cheer it on.

I voted for what I believed in when I cast my vote for Trump. I don't care about personality.

And I will continue to support those who value freedom and limited govt. Not the worn out collectivist policies you vote for.

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Am I happy to be able to call trump a LOSER, yes. But you are wrong about Biden policy of defund the police, pack the courts, etc.. That's the crazies on the far left, which I could no more vote for than I could vote for trump.

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No I'm not wrong. Biden wouldn't even answer the question about court packing. He supports it. Kamala certainly supports it because she's literally said so and there's a good chance she could take over at some point.

That's what you voted for. Why are you afraid to own it? Because someone might ask you to back up your reasons?

The Dems love voters like you because you still think they're moderate. They've fooled you. Big time.

Gigem314 said:

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Ags77 said:

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Gigem314 said:

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Ags77 said:

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Good Lord. So many quitters on this thread. You sound just like the fools saying Russia Russia and he's not my President. In fact you sound WORSE because you want to quit on the future of our country.

The country REJECTED defund the police, pack the courts, Medicare for all, etc... We also FIRED trump.

Was there fraud in this election ? Of course. There is fraud in EVERY election from city council up. With mail in ballots , there was more than usual, I'm sure. But not 7 million votes fraud.

Its NOT time to quit. It's time to vote for what you believe in and maybe more now than ever.

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Says the person who supported Biden and lets everyone on this board know it.

If your leaders have their way, defund the police, pack the courts, open border, etc will happen. And you will cheer it on.

I voted for what I believed in when I cast my vote for Trump. I don't care about personality.

And I will continue to support those who value freedom and limited govt. Not the worn out collectivist policies you vote for.

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Am I happy to be able to call trump a LOSER, yes. But you are wrong about Biden policy of defund the police, pack the courts, etc.. That's the crazies on the far left, which I could no more vote for than I could vote for trump.

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No I'm not wrong. Biden wouldn't even answer the question about court packing. He supports it. Kamala certainly supports it because she's literally said so and there's a good chance she could take over at some point.

That's what you voted for. Why are you afraid to own it? Because someone might ask you to back up your reasons?

The Dems love voters like you because you still think they're moderate. They've fooled you. Big time.

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Well we will just have to respectfully disagree and time will show who is right. If the courts get packed, if we defund the police, etc.. or not. I own my vote. I assume you own your vote for trump. Thats one of the things that makes us the greatest country in the world. We can fire Biden in four years just like we fired Trump.

You voted for the crazy, there is no respectful disagreement to be had.

Fenrir said:

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You voted for the crazy, there is no respectful disagreement to be had.

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Voting for trump and calling the other candidate crazy, lol. That's rich.

Ags77 said:

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Gigem314 said:

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Ags77 said:

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Gigem314 said:

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Ags77 said:

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Good Lord. So many quitters on this thread. You sound just like the fools saying Russia Russia and he's not my President. In fact you sound WORSE because you want to quit on the future of our country.

The country REJECTED defund the police, pack the courts, Medicare for all, etc... We also FIRED trump.

Was there fraud in this election ? Of course. There is fraud in EVERY election from city council up. With mail in ballots , there was more than usual, I'm sure. But not 7 million votes fraud.

Its NOT time to quit. It's time to vote for what you believe in and maybe more now than ever.

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Says the person who supported Biden and lets everyone on this board know it.

If your leaders have their way, defund the police, pack the courts, open border, etc will happen. And you will cheer it on.

I voted for what I believed in when I cast my vote for Trump. I don't care about personality.

And I will continue to support those who value freedom and limited govt. Not the worn out collectivist policies you vote for.

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Am I happy to be able to call trump a LOSER, yes. But you are wrong about Biden policy of defund the police, pack the courts, etc.. That's the crazies on the far left, which I could no more vote for than I could vote for trump.

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No I'm not wrong. Biden wouldn't even answer the question about court packing. He supports it. Kamala certainly supports it because she's literally said so and there's a good chance she could take over at some point.

That's what you voted for. Why are you afraid to own it? Because someone might ask you to back up your reasons?

The Dems love voters like you because you still think they're moderate. They've fooled you. Big time.

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Well we will just have to respectfully disagree and time will show who is right. If the courts get packed, if we defund the police, etc.. or not. I own my vote. I assume you own your vote for trump. Thats one of the things that makes us the greatest country in the world. We can fire Biden in four years just like we fired Trump.

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On that subject, it doesn't matter whether the court gets packed or any of those polices come to be...hopefully a Republican Senate will ensure they don't. What matters is the people you vote for support it...or at the very least won't condemn in when questioned on it. To me that either shows sinister motive, weakness, incompetence, or all of the above. Either way, that's not something I can support...and I am thankful we had at least a 4 year reprieve from them pushing more of it.

I voted for tony the tiger.

Gigem314 said:

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Ags77 said:

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Gigem314 said:

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Ags77 said:

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Gigem314 said:

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Ags77 said:

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Good Lord. So many quitters on this thread. You sound just like the fools saying Russia Russia and he's not my President. In fact you sound WORSE because you want to quit on the future of our country.

The country REJECTED defund the police, pack the courts, Medicare for all, etc... We also FIRED trump.

Was there fraud in this election ? Of course. There is fraud in EVERY election from city council up. With mail in ballots , there was more than usual, I'm sure. But not 7 million votes fraud.

Its NOT time to quit. It's time to vote for what you believe in and maybe more now than ever.

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Says the person who supported Biden and lets everyone on this board know it.

If your leaders have their way, defund the police, pack the courts, open border, etc will happen. And you will cheer it on.

I voted for what I believed in when I cast my vote for Trump. I don't care about personality.

And I will continue to support those who value freedom and limited govt. Not the worn out collectivist policies you vote for.

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Am I happy to be able to call trump a LOSER, yes. But you are wrong about Biden policy of defund the police, pack the courts, etc.. That's the crazies on the far left, which I could no more vote for than I could vote for trump.

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No I'm not wrong. Biden wouldn't even answer the question about court packing. He supports it. Kamala certainly supports it because she's literally said so and there's a good chance she could take over at some point.

That's what you voted for. Why are you afraid to own it? Because someone might ask you to back up your reasons?

The Dems love voters like you because you still think they're moderate. They've fooled you. Big time.

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Well we will just have to respectfully disagree and time will show who is right. If the courts get packed, if we defund the police, etc.. or not. I own my vote. I assume you own your vote for trump. Thats one of the things that makes us the greatest country in the world. We can fire Biden in four years just like we fired Trump.

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On that subject, it doesn't matter whether the court gets packed or any of those polices come to be...hopefully a Republican Senate will ensure they don't. What matters is the people you vote for support it...or at the very least won't condemn in when questioned on it. To me that either shows sinister motive, weakness, incompetence, or all of the above. Either way, that's not something I can support...and I am thankful we had at least a 4 year reprieve from them pushing more of it.

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I never asked you to support it, lol. My original point was to NOT QUIT. Keep voting your beliefs.

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Ags77 said:

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Gigem314 said:

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Ags77 said:

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Gigem314 said:

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Ags77 said:

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Good Lord. So many quitters on this thread. You sound just like the fools saying Russia Russia and he's not my President. In fact you sound WORSE because you want to quit on the future of our country.

The country REJECTED defund the police, pack the courts, Medicare for all, etc... We also FIRED trump.

Was there fraud in this election ? Of course. There is fraud in EVERY election from city council up. With mail in ballots , there was more than usual, I'm sure. But not 7 million votes fraud.

Its NOT time to quit. It's time to vote for what you believe in and maybe more now than ever.

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Says the person who supported Biden and lets everyone on this board know it.

If your leaders have their way, defund the police, pack the courts, open border, etc will happen. And you will cheer it on.

I voted for what I believed in when I cast my vote for Trump. I don't care about personality.

And I will continue to support those who value freedom and limited govt. Not the worn out collectivist policies you vote for.

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Am I happy to be able to call trump a LOSER, yes. But you are wrong about Biden policy of defund the police, pack the courts, etc.. That's the crazies on the far left, which I could no more vote for than I could vote for trump.

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No I'm not wrong. Biden wouldn't even answer the question about court packing. He supports it. Kamala certainly supports it because she's literally said so and there's a good chance she could take over at some point.

That's what you voted for. Why are you afraid to own it? Because someone might ask you to back up your reasons?

The Dems love voters like you because you still think they're moderate. They've fooled you. Big time.

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Well we will just have to respectfully disagree and time will show who is right. If the courts get packed, if we defund the police, etc.. or not. I own my vote. I assume you own your vote for trump. Thats one of the things that makes us the greatest country in the world. We can fire Biden in four years just like we fired Trump.

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On that subject, it doesn't matter whether the court gets packed or any of those polices come to be...hopefully a Republican Senate will ensure they don't. What matters is the people you vote for support it...or at the very least won't condemn in when questioned on it. To me that either shows sinister motive, weakness, incompetence, or all of the above. Either way, that's not something I can support...and I am thankful we had at least a 4 year reprieve from them pushing more of it.

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I never asked you to support it, lol. My original point was to NOT QUIT. Keep voting your beliefs.

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You're deflecting, I never suggested that. My point was that the people you vote to support want the policies you describe as simply "crazies on the far left". If those are your beliefs, so be it. But it seems to me you think the democrat party is far more moderate than what its stated desires are. You just don't want to accept it. Simply an observation.

I can't stand Trump, I didn't vote for him, and I think these allegations of election theft are obviously hot air.

All that said, you forum 16 people that completely disagree with me on almost everything need to continue to participate in our democracy. Your continued participation (and mine) is a hell of a lot more important than our personal stance on issues or elected officials.

Diyala Nick said:

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I can't stand Trump, I didn't vote for him, and I think these allegations of election theft are obviously hot air.

All that said, you forum 16 people that completely disagree with me on almost everything need to continue to participate in our democracy. Your continued participation (and mine) is a hell of a lot more important than our personal stance on issues or elected officials.

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Amen

Republicans never do anything even when they have the presidency and both chambers. Time to face the facts. Voting doesn't work. Republicans care more about getting re elected than doing what they were sent there to do. Even if we can overcome the cheating, voting won't fix our country's problems.

Our battle is a spiritual battle. I pray it won't become a physical one, but we must fight one way or another. Pretending that we will get them next election is foolhardy.

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If the election stands as is, I don't know if I'll ever vote again. The blatant cheating and election rigging this year has ruined any shred of fairness that our elections seemed to have. What is the purpose of voting if the outcome is already all but decided? I don't think anyone overseas is fighting for our right to vote in unfair elections, nor do I feel it is my civic duty to leave work in order to cast a meaningless vote. Am I wrong for not feeling the need to vote again if we cannot guarantee a fair election?

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Understand the sentiment, but this is EXACTLY what they want -- conservatives getting so frustrated by the process that they don't bother anymore, making cheating virtually unnecessary.

We've got to do the opposite: go full Tea Party.

I'm still waiting for the legal process to play out in favor of Trump.

If Trump doesn't win, I'm pretty much done with elections and voting.

A Biden win is a green-light for Dems to lie, cheat, and steal elections at-will.

For those who still want to cast a consolation vote, pay attention to Dem primaries and pick the one that is least communist-y if/when possible...not that it will matter much.

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Republicans never do anything even when they have the presidency and both chambers. Time to face the facts. Voting doesn't work. Republicans care more about getting re elected than doing what they were sent there to do. Even if we can overcome the cheating, voting won't fix our country's problems.

Our battle is a spiritual battle. I pray it won't become a physical one, but we must fight one way or another. Pretending that we will get them next election is foolhardy.

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What does God want us to do pastor?

Jeremiah 51:20
"You are my hammer and weapon of war: with you I break nations in pieces; with you I destroy kingdoms"

The sad part is that the "stolen election" doesn't exist, but y'all will never be convinced otherwise. Somehow, the FBI, the CIA, the courts, Republican officials in Georgia, tech companies that specialize in voting software and hardware, the military (if they never produce the "missing server"), the Bidens, the Clinton Foundation, Hugo Chavez, China, North Korea, Iran, the media and the Democratic Party all conspired to defeat DJT and thwart the will of the people? Most of the time people on this forum would have turned to Occam's Razor and concluded that this is all a bit much and that the election, for the most part, went on as it should. But too many of you have bought in and will never be satisfied.

If Trump isn't inaugurated it will take blood to change it.

Because the globalist will have complete control and have gotten away with massive fraud and will always have their people carrying out their agenda.

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Just like the left severely underestimated the number of people that would show up to actively vote against Hillary Clinton, I think it's possible some of you are underestimating the people that showed up this time to vote against Donald Trump.

Let's see what happens in Georgia. Obviously if the Dems have figured out a way to cheat they will cheat to win the Senate before we start deciding the voting is pointless/rigged.

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I don't believe the former, but agree that things should wait on Georgia.

OP and Loyal Ag, pfo are correct about the trajectory, but its overlooking something. We don't have our final proof yet the system is broken or going full tyrannical. If we are looking at a Biden term with a Republican Senate and a slimly Democrat House under a Democrat President, it may be that 2022 and 2024 elections can be be made effective again. Probably by the simple expedient of abolishing electronic voting. We didn't use it for two centuries, so its not necessary.

If the Democrats take the Senate, agree with forcible opposition. Because then with their statements combined with Big Tech and Big Media there is no checks and balances to their tyranny and you would have to actively oppose it.

Let Jan 5 decide if a final cast aside is needed.

The education problem is a separate one, but first need to see a balance might yet remain. I trust McConnell to avoid socialist extremes. That's why holding the Senate should be the red line to decide from.

None of which means have fully given up that Sidney Powell's and others work with overturning some of the certifications may yet succeed.

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Just like the left severely underestimated the number of people that would show up to actively vote against Hillary Clinton, I think it's possible some of you are underestimating the people that showed up this time to vote against Donald Trump.

Let's see what happens in Georgia. Obviously if the Dems have figured out a way to cheat they will cheat to win the Senate before we start deciding the voting is pointless/rigged.

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The 2nd sentence of your 1st paragraph is the HUGEST "my head is in the sand" post ever written on Texags. If you believe every vote for Joe Biden in this POTUS election is legitimate, then I will not comment further.

And I also...have the opinion that ____ are _____ ____ _____.

Edit: see no ******s there nor "name calling" and should be ZERO email complaints

Better?

Hypocrites?

Stumpknocker said:

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Here's a good reason to vote. Pendulums swing both ways my dudes...

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/11/26/exclusive-incoming-gop-rep-nicole-malliotakis-anti-socialist-freshman-class-here-to-preserve-america/

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That's another reason to wait and see if Senate is stolen. If the Rebulicans hold it - just work, if necessary by massive Left-style protests --- to abolish the present machine voting system before 2022 and get something more reliable. With a the voting system fixed, this new generation would have their chance to get into office.

But if it isn't, and nothing is done about Media's illegal anti-Constitutional toned selective suppression of speech and the hijacking of election processes even before election day by false manipulation --then the OP's points and others come into play.

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The sad part is that the "stolen election" doesn't exist, but y'all will never be convinced otherwise. Somehow, the FBI, the CIA, the courts, Republican officials in Georgia, tech companies that specialize in voting software and hardware, the military (if they never produce the "missing server"), the Bidens, the Clinton Foundation, Hugo Chavez, China, North Korea, Iran, the media and the Democratic Party all conspired to defeat DJT and thwart the will of the people? Most of the time people on this forum would have turned to Occam's Razor and concluded that this is all a bit much and that the election, for the most part, went on as it should. But too many of you have bought in and will never be satisfied.

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The DNC admitted that they rigged their presidential primary for Clinton over Sanders.

No, they haven't. Donna Brazile made allegations in a book that appear to be largely unfounded. The agreements that Clinton signed with the DNC were for the general election, and the same agreement was offered to Sanders. There was also an agreement allowing Clinton's campaign to help make hiring decisions, and there isn't any proof that made any difference. The most conclusive evidence they can provide to support this is that the DNC held its primary debates on weekends, when viewership was likely to be lower. That's hardly a smoking gun. All of this was alleged by a woman who a. was selling a book and b. fired from CNN for giving Clinton's campaign the questions for the primary debate, so she's probably not an unbiased source.

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Time to get a divorce
Peacefully or by force
Dems are lying, corrupt, cheating POSs that will do anything to stay in power!
Plus they kill babies with no remorse.
I would vote and support secession by Texas alone or with other states that have similar interests. Can have different political parties or republican, libertarian-type parties.
No democratic parties would be allowed. Dems would be arrested and deported to New York, California, etc. just get the **** out

Vote that's the only weapon (besides the guns you have) against these POSs

What else do you need to know

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I used to ascribe to the notion of a national divorce given our irreconcilable differences and the increasing divergence of thought / principles. That said it's not North vs. South or Coasts vs. Central USA......It's urban vs. rural. Even in Texas, the liberal strongholds are the cities. There is no option for a divorce as has been previously championed by so many. I still plan on voting but I don't think it will matter much.....

GeorgiAg said:

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Trump got out voted because he's a jerk. Why is this so hard for you to believe? If there was cheating why did republicans pick up seats? If there was cheating why did Mitch win?

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The Mitch question is definitely a big hole in the conspiracy theories. McConnell is hated by the left as much as Trump, you would figure if they had some sophisticated cheating method in place to rig the election however they wanted, they'd have whacked Mitch McConnell too, because Biden in office with a Mitch controlled Senate is not nearly as useful to progressive left agendas as a true 'blue wave' would have been.

But conservatives did generally well in the 2020 election, keeping the Senate and gaining in the House. It was just Trump who came out on the losing end of the stick.