*****OFFICIAL ELECTION DAY THREAD*****

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Keegan99 said:

There is no evidence that there was some massive number of fabricated ballots. Votes were backed by real voters, though there is strong evidence of targeted harvesting and trafficking. There is an upper bound to what those methods are capable of achieving, and it's likely the Dems were very near it.
Votes were backed by real people and addresses. Were they alive, citizens, or eligible to vote? There is a ton of evidence that they were not and sometimes chain of custody couldnt have proved that these ballots even reached the intended voters in the first place. Mail-in ballots with no creases in them? How is that possible?

Was the harvesting and trafficking legal or not? In some states, it was not. Ballot drop boxes were ruled unconstitutional. Yes after the fact.

They calculated how many votes they needed to win in the swing states beforehand, blew up the voter rolls to have as big a pool as possible to harvest, then ensured that they had enough helpers turn in pieces of paper to count to "win" even requiring WEEKS to ensure they met thay number, then purged the rolls. It was rigged.

No, when you can count 81M votes for a dementia patient who didnt even bother campaigning for the last 3 months of election season, there is no upper bound to what those methods can achieve. Literally the most votes for a candidate in history....when the guy and his running partner together struggled to get more than 10% of their own party's vote in the primary.



Trump was definitely rough around the edges and there were a lot of things he did that i didnt personally like. Agreed. To say that this was just some normal election where the D's try and push their thumbs on the scale to win an election and it was Trumps fault that it was close enough to allow them to win is bull*****
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You said: "Votes were backed by real voters..."

We say: Prove it. Today. Only 1-1 matches count.

102% turnouts all over the place, and you....

Aaaahhh, 10/10. Nice jorb, trolly.
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It seems to me that this attempt to disqualify MTG would be highly unlikely to succeed. But if it does, it will only do so if they define insurrection in the most broad terms imaginable. I would take that broad definition and immediately make a case against every single democrat that made statements in support of BLM and/or Antifa on the same basis.
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FTAG 2000
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will25u said:



Obama judge.
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Keegan99 said:

There is no evidence that there was some massive number of fabricated ballots. Votes were backed by real voters, though there is strong evidence of targeted harvesting and trafficking. There is an upper bound to what those methods are capable of achieving, and it's likely the Dems were very near it.

You run a candidate that has 50%+ negatives with the electorate and it's going to be needlessly difficult to win, and create opportunities for targeted efforts that will affect the outcome. If Trump had negatives that were just in the 45% range, he wins the election going away, no matter what the Dems do.

Sorry. But that's reality.

I voted for Trump, but you need to interact with persuadable moderate voters more often if you cannot see his considerable warts.


This narrative is tiresome and false. I hate doing this, but your revisionist history is false and I have to state what is blatantly obvious and has been stated countless times before.

Trump was LOVED. This bull**** that he had huge negative numbers is not supportable by the data. Blacks and Hispanics voted for him in record numbers, yet he somehow lost? 74 million votes, 14 million more than 2016, and he lost? 81 million votes for a totally worthless candidate who had basically no visible support?

The election was stolen. Period. They had to stop the counts in GA, PA, NV, WI, AZ just to steal even MORE votes because Trump support was so overwhelming that they hadn't planned well enough.

Fake ballots, Dominion, multiple scanning of Dem votes, ballots for dead people, ballots for people that no longer live in state, mai-in ballots with no signatures, mail-in ballots with invalid addresses, mail-in ballots with no creases (proving they were never mailed) - all of this has been proven.

Please stop touting this tired bull**** that Trump was his own worst enemy. It's demonstrably false. He got the most valid votes of any candidate in history. Anyone who believes Joe Biden got 81 million valid votes is certifiable.
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Trump was LOVED. This bull**** that he had huge negative numbers is not supportable by the data.

Yea... no.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

Even today he's still underwater by 5 points.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html



This notion that he was some Reaganesque figure adored by some decisive majority is simply not true.

You're not going to win elections if you cannot accept reality.
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Not to mention that most hatred of DJT was fabricated by the media and lapped up by liberals without question. If the media treated him like they fellated Obama or even just fairly, it would have been an entirely different ball game.
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Keegan's right guys...he showed us polling data. They're always correct. Moron.
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Keegan99 said:


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Trump was LOVED. This bull**** that he had huge negative numbers is not supportable by the data.

Yea... no.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

Even today he's still underwater by 5 points.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html



This notion that he was some Reaganesque figure adored by some decisive majority is simply not true.

You're not going to win elections if you cannot accept reality.


Realclearpolitics poll. Awesome. I'll be sure to print that out and wipe my ass with it.

74 million. Historic votes from Blacks and Hispanics. Millions showimg up for Trump rallies in freezing temperatures, boat rallies, Biden rallies that had more Trump support than Biden did.

Believe the lies if you want, I'll believe my eyes.

The media perpetuated the myth that Trump was hated enough by everyday Americans that he would lose.

They used bull**** polls to support that. How many polls said Trump would lose by double digits? None of them were correct, yet you trot out some poll by the same pollsters who were historically wrong on their election polls.to support your false narrative.

The truth is that Trump was not hated by mass numbers of Americans, but that he was hated so much by powerful members of the left that they were willing to steal an election with massive numbers of illegal ballots.
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Keegan99 said:


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Trump was LOVED. This bull**** that he had huge negative numbers is not supportable by the data.

Yea... no.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

Even today he's still underwater by 5 points.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html



This notion that he was some Reaganesque figure adored by some decisive majority is simply not true.

You're not going to win elections if you cannot accept reality.



https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html


By your own graph he was more favorable in 2020 when the election was stolen vs when he won the first time in 2016.

So your narrative is that he wasnt liked even though he became more favorable in 2020 when his antics turned so many off and yet he gained 14 million votes?
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The truth is that Trump was not hated by mass numbers of Americans, but that he was hated so much by powerful members of the left that they were willing to steal an election with massive numbers of illegal ballots.
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RCP is not a poll. It's an aggregator.

Even if you dig into more right-leaning pollsters like Trafalgar, you won't find Trump rightside-up on favorability.

I'm sorry.
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No, my "narrative" is the Trump is unliked by 50%+ of the electorate.

That makes it really, really difficult to win an election.

And that when trying to shoot-the-moon in the electoral college while losing the (mythical) popular vote, as Trump tried to do in 2020, it leaves one vulnerable to ballot trafficking in narrow-margin states.
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Keegan99 said:

No, my "narrative" is the Trump is unliked by 50%+ of the electorate.

That makes it really, really difficult to win an election.

And that when trying to shoot-the-moon in the electoral college while losing the (mythical) popular vote, as Trump tried to do in 2020, it leaves one vulnerable to ballot trafficking in narrow-margin states.



Alright. Two things.

A. Can we agree ballot trafficking tipped the scales?
B. Would Ron Desantis or pence or anyone else be not hated by 50% of the electorate? What were mitt Romney a numbers?
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A. Likely

B. Not with the intensity and breadth of Trump. Trump's acerbic personality was like a turd in the punchbowl to millions of moderate voters. He's an arrogant a-hole that has zero message discipline and struggles with the truth.

(And before the whataboutism with Biden or Harris... Yes, they're terrible, but jeez... it shouldn't be difficult to get a smart conservative guy that isn't a jerk and can bludgeon the opposition with facts. Can't even begin to count the times I would watch Trump answer a question and cringe, knowing that the lefty reporter lobbed a softball and Trump rambled or made personal attacks and otherwise missed an easy homerun.)
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Keegan99 said:

RCP is not a poll. It's an aggregator of very inaccurate left-leaning polls
FIFY
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Going forward every Republican that dares to fight back against the leftist media will be given the Trump treatment. The one's that are not willing to fight back aren't worth our time. We need to stop pretending like Trump was some unprecedented unlikeable a-hole and pay a little bit of attention to the reasons he was portrayed that way. The leftist reporters he insulted deserved EVERY single ounce of criticism they got. Anti American ****** bags that have caused more harm to this country than good by far! Stop legitimizing their attacks and start blaming them for the hatred of Trump. I'm not saying he didn't step on his dick more often than not, but the pure hatred of him was 99% generated by the media and lying Democrats (who they NEVER hold to account) and often it was them taking his statements out of context to do so.
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Do we have an illegitimate half-brain-dead empty suit pretending to be potus and intentionally destroying the country right now because of suburban women and "unfavorable" polls? …or is it because of an elitist establishment that used fake news to drive the unfavorable poll results, censorship of proof of Biden's corruption, and take advantage of weak election laws?


I don't think any account on here will convince anyone that trump gained that many votes and was that much more popular from 16 to 20, that he lost because of fake news brainwashing making him more unfavorable. He was more favorable than before. Politicizing the pandemic, using pandemic fear to change election laws, and mass mail-in ballot printing and mailing made the usual urban democrat establishment cheating a lot more impactful and enabled them to make sure they could get whatever number they needed. Biden couldn't get anyone to attend the rally in Philly just outside of his home in Wilmington- where he could yell about needing more plexiglass to combat covid. There weren't 81 million people scared of covid yet excited to mail their ballots in and make Biden by far the most popular politician in Us history. It just didn't happen. 100% voting rate at all the apartment buildings and nursing homes for Biden wasn't going to happen even if most didn't like trump. The election was stolen asF.
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Republicans are pulling this crap too. Leaving off people from ballots who did everything they were supposed to do were removed in TN. Robby Starbucks was removed by a closed session group of GOP members.

We are dealing with a uniparty disguised as two separate parties. It is more likely the majority bell-curve of uniparty members with the fringe lefties and conservatives making the rest.

Government needs an overhaul in the worst of ways!
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agcrock2005 said:

Keegan99 said:

RCP is not a poll. It's an aggregator of very inaccurate left-leaning polls
FIFY


Ok.

Can you find a single poll with a strong track record that shows Trump with favorability over 50%?

Like I said, even polls popular with the right, like Trafalgar, reflect Trump's favorability problem.
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Trump in large part gave himself the Trump treatment. He acted like an arrogant jerk consistently. Why? Because he's an arrogant jerk. (And a womanizer.) Millions of persuadable moderate voters simply do not like those traits. And that's not an unreasonable view.

The inability to see his flaws, both administratively and as a communicator, is just baffling to me.
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Keegan99 said:

Trump in large part gave himself the Trump treatment. He acted like an arrogant jerk consistently. Why? Because he's an arrogant jerk. (And a womanizer.) Millions of persuadable moderate voters simply do not like those traits. And that's not an unreasonable view.

The inability to see his flaws, both administratively and as a communicator, is just baffling to me.



What's baffling is that right wing people actually buy into what you are saying and miss the forest for the trees.

Trump didn't lose because he's an *******. He lost because the election was stolen. The connection you're trying to make may be true in off hand cases but it wasn't enough to garner millions of non voters in 2016 to suddenly jump up and vote like crazy for a geriatric puppet in Biden.

There's no data to support that. There's plenty to support MIBs and ballot drop boxes being stuffed with Biden votes.
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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

Keegan99 said:

Trump in large part gave himself the Trump treatment. He acted like an arrogant jerk consistently. Why? Because he's an arrogant jerk. (And a womanizer.) Millions of persuadable moderate voters simply do not like those traits. And that's not an unreasonable view.

The inability to see his flaws, both administratively and as a communicator, is just baffling to me.



What's baffling is that right wing people actually buy into what you are saying and miss the forest for the trees.

Trump didn't lose because he's an *******. He lost because the election was stolen. The connection you're trying to make may be true in off hand cases but it wasn't enough to garner millions of non voters in 2016 to suddenly jump up and vote like crazy for a geriatric puppet in Biden.

There's no data to support that. There's plenty to support MIBs and ballot drop boxes being stuffed with Biden votes.

Again, even Trafalgar had the election right about where it ended up. Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, and Arizona were all tossups.

That places the election within "stealable" range. And that's wholly on Trump.

If he was just over 50% on favorability there wouldn't have been a thing the left could've done.
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Keegan99 said:

No, my "narrative" is the Trump is unliked by 50%+ of the electorate.

That makes it really, really difficult to win an election.

And that when trying to shoot-the-moon in the electoral college while losing the (mythical) popular vote, as Trump tried to do in 2020, it leaves one vulnerable to ballot trafficking in narrow-margin states.
To be fair, the same media that painted RINO's like GWB and Mitt Romney (and many before them) as evil guys, are going to paint Desantis as a downright MONSTER if he is ever tapped as the guy. They may feel even more threatened by him because look at his action...goes far beyond "talk". He will be a racist womanizing rapist who hates gays and trans ppl and wants to round them up and a serious "threat to our democracy". Watch, whether he runs for 2024 or another year, he will become a super villain over night.

The good news is that he is a liberal slayer. He excels in some very important areas that Trump does not...and he comes without some of the "watch me step on my own d*ck for no reason" flaws.

My point is that every liberal and concerned moderate you know will still hate him every bit as much as they did Trump bc the rabid liberal media and all of social media etc. will instruct them to, just watch.
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The connection you're trying to make may be true in off hand cases but it wasn't enough to garner millions of non voters in 2016 to suddenly jump up and vote like crazy for a geriatric puppet in Biden.

It wasn't?

Biden received 800,000+ more votes in Florida than Hillary.

He received 300,000+ more votes in Ohio than Hillary.

He received 1.3 million more votes in Texas than Hillary.

Where do you think those extra couple million voters came from?


It was a historically high turnout election EVERYWHERE because it was a referendum on Trump, who was uniquely polarizing.
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Boo Weekley said:

Keegan99 said:

No, my "narrative" is the Trump is unliked by 50%+ of the electorate.

That makes it really, really difficult to win an election.

And that when trying to shoot-the-moon in the electoral college while losing the (mythical) popular vote, as Trump tried to do in 2020, it leaves one vulnerable to ballot trafficking in narrow-margin states.
To be fair, the same media that painted RINO's like GWB and Mitt Romney (and many before them) as evil guys, are going to paint Desantis as a downright MONSTER if he is ever tapped as the guy. They may feel even more threatened by him because look at his action...goes far beyond "talk". He will be a racist womanizing rapist who hates gays and trans ppl and wants to round them up and a serious "threat to our democracy". Watch, whether he runs for 2024 or another year, he will become a super villain over night.

The good news is that he is a liberal slayer. He excels in some very important areas that Trump does not...and he comes without some of the "watch me step on my own d*ck for no reason" flaws.

My point is that every liberal and concerned moderate you know will still hate him every bit as much as they did Trump bc the rabid liberal media and all of social media etc. will instruct them to, just watch.

Oh, the left will hate him, for sure.

But it's not about winning the left. It's about winning an extra few percent that are right in the middle.
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Where do you think those extra couple million voters came from?

Fraudulent activities.

If you're implying they were former Republican votes, dig deeper.
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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

Keegan99 said:

Trump in large part gave himself the Trump treatment. He acted like an arrogant jerk consistently. Why? Because he's an arrogant jerk. (And a womanizer.) Millions of persuadable moderate voters simply do not like those traits. And that's not an unreasonable view.

The inability to see his flaws, both administratively and as a communicator, is just baffling to me.



What's baffling is that right wing people actually buy into what you are saying and miss the forest for the trees.

Trump didn't lose because he's an *******. He lost because the election was stolen. The connection you're trying to make may be true in off hand cases but it wasn't enough to garner millions of non voters in 2016 to suddenly jump up and vote like crazy for a geriatric puppet in Biden.

There's no data to support that. There's plenty to support MIBs and ballot drop boxes being stuffed with Biden votes.



I dont know if we can say that mail in voting didn't have at least some impact in turnout.

I'm not making the argument that there was not a rigged election in some states.

But some of you keep making arguments based on total votes. 81 million vs 74 million, etc. It's a bit irrelevant.

The Voting Age Population turnout out rose 6% from 2016 to 2020. That's not that big of an increase. Still only 61% of the VAP in this country, which is not a record in that category. Turnout for registered voters was something like 78%. Which is high, but again not insane. Reagan victory in 1984 was with 75% of registered voters voting.

Democrats and Trump spent alot of money registering voters in 2020. More than ever. So the argument that just because the total number of votes was X means cheating, is a disingenuous argument given what we know about the money spent on GOTV in 2020.

The Democrats have a natural advantage to GOTV because of the high concentration of urban Democrat voters vs. Rural GOP voters.

Doesn't mean the combination of media antics, social media antics, ballot harvesting, Zuck Bucks, etc doesn't equate to a rigged election. I think it does. And I don't think Keegan is saying there wasn't funny business.

There is ample evidence for that scenario. There is scant evidence for actual fake votes. At least million upon millions of fake votes that some keep suggesting.

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Keegan99 said:



Biden received 800,000+ more votes in Florida than Hillary.

He received 300,000+ more votes in Ohio than Hillary.

He received 1.3 million more votes in Texas than Hillary.

Where do you think those extra couple million voters came from?

Fraud

Fraud

More fraud
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Keegan99 said:

Trump in large part gave himself the Trump treatment. He acted like an arrogant jerk consistently. Why? Because he's an arrogant jerk. (And a womanizer.) Millions of persuadable moderate voters simply do not like those traits. And that's not an unreasonable view.

The inability to see his flaws, both administratively and as a communicator, is just baffling to me.
Are there any Democrats that don't act like arrogant jerks consistently? The media doesn't treat them the same. Again, those degenerate anti American A-holes in the media and the Democrat party deserved the treatment they got.

It's time for Republicans to universally quit treating these DNC propagandists and Democrats with kid gloves. I've been a critic of Trump's style and dialogue since day one, but to pretend like the hatred of him wasn't largely created by a hostile media is also missing the forest for the trees. Do you want Republicans to keep being nice guys that bend over for DNC propagandist just so squishy moderates will "like" them? No, screw that! Their weakness is almost as big of a problem as the biased media machine.

I do agree that Trump needs to clean up his delivery and get someone to proof read his tweets!
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