*****OFFICIAL ELECTION DAY THREAD*****

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/us/politics/trump-justice-department-election.html

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President Donald J. Trump pressed top Justice Department officials late last year to declare that the election was corrupt even though they had found no instances of widespread fraud, so that he and his allies in Congress could use the assertion to try to overturn the results, according to new documents provided to lawmakers and obtained by The New York Times.

The demands were an extraordinary instance of a president interfering with an agency that is typically more independent from the White House to advance his personal agenda. They are also the latest example of Mr. Trump's wide-ranging campaign during his final weeks in office to delegitimize the election results.

The exchange unfolded during a phone call on Dec. 27 in which Mr. Trump pressed the acting attorney general at the time, Jeffrey A. Rosen, and his deputy, Richard P. Donoghue, on voter fraud claims that the department had disproved. Mr. Donoghue warned that the department had no power to change the outcome of the election. Mr. Trump replied that he did not expect that, according to notes Mr. Donoghue took memorializing the conversation.

"Just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me" and to congressional allies, Mr. Donoghue wrote in summarizing Mr. Trump's response.
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The Justice Department provided Mr. Donoghue's notes to the House Oversight and Reform Committee, which is investigating the Trump administration's efforts to unlawfully reverse the election results.

Typically, the department has fought to keep secret any accounts of private discussions between a president and his cabinet to avoid setting a precedent that would prevent officials in future administrations from candidly advising presidents out of concern that their conversations would later be made public.

But handing over the notes to Congress is part of a pattern of allowing scrutiny of Mr. Trump's efforts to overturn the election. The Biden Justice Department also told Mr. Rosen, Mr. Donoghue and other former officials this week that they could provide unrestricted testimony to investigators with the House Oversight and Reform and the Senate Judiciary Committees.

The department reasoned that congressional investigators were examining potential wrongdoing by a sitting president, an extraordinary circumstance, according to letters sent to the former officials. Because executive privilege is meant to benefit the country, rather than the president as an individual, invoking it over Mr. Trump's efforts to push his personal agenda would be inappropriate, the department concluded.

Mr. Trump's conversation with Mr. Rosen and Mr. Donoghue reflected his single-minded focus on overturning the election results. At one point, Mr. Trump claimed voter fraud in Georgia, Michigan, Nevada and Arizona, which he called "corrupted elections." Mr. Donoghue pushed back.

"Much of the info you're getting is false," Mr. Donoghue said, adding that the department had conducted "dozens of investigations, hundreds of interviews" and had not found evidence to support his claims. "We look at allegations but they don't pan out," the officials told Mr. Trump, according to the notes.

The department found that the error rate of ballot counting in Michigan was 0.0063 percent, not the 68 percent that the president asserted; it did not find evidence of a conspiracy theory that an employee in Pennsylvania had tampered with ballots; and after examining video and interviewing witnesses, it found no evidence of ballot fraud in Fulton County, Ga., according to the notes.

Mr. Trump, undeterred, brushed off the department's findings. "Ok fine but what about the others?" Mr. Donoghue wrote in his notes describing the president's remarks. Mr. Trump asked Mr. Donoghue to travel to Fulton County to verify signatures on ballots.

The people "saying that the election isn't corrupt are corrupt," Mr. Trump told the officials, adding that they needed to act. "Not much time left."
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The officials also told Mr. Trump that the Justice Department had no evidence to support a lawsuit regarding the election results. "We are not in a position based on the evidence," they said. "We can only act on the actual evidence developed."

Mr. Trump castigated the officials, saying that "thousands of people called" their local U.S. attorney's offices to complain about the election and that "nobody trusts the F.B.I." He said that "people are angry blaming D.O.J. for inaction."

"You guys may not be following the internet the way I do," Mr. Trump said, according to the document.

In a moment of foreshadowing, Mr. Trump said, "people tell me Jeff Clark is great, I should put him in," referring to the acting chief of the Justice Department's civil division, who had also encouraged department officials to intervene in the election. "People want me to replace D.O.J. leadership."

"You should have the leadership you want," Mr. Donoghue replied. But it "won't change the dept's position."
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During the call, Mr. Trump also told the Justice Department officials to "figure out what to do" with Hunter Biden, Mr. Biden's son. "People will criticize the D.O.J. if he's not investigated for real," he told them, violating longstanding guidelines against White House intervention in criminal investigations or other law enforcement actions.

Two days after the phone call with Mr. Trump, Mr. Donoghue took notes of a meeting between Justice Department officials: Mr. Trump's chief of staff, Mark Meadows; the White House counsel, Pat Cipollone; and the White House deputy counsel Patrick Philbin met to discuss a conspiracy theory known as Italygate, which asserts without evidence that people in Italy used military technology to remotely tamper with voting machines in the United States.

The Justice Department officials told the White House that they had assigned someone to look into the matter, according to the notes and a person briefed on the meeting. They did not mention that the department was looking into the theory to debunk it, the person said.
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will25u said:




In case you all missed it, Bennett was banned from CyberNinjas earlier this week because he released some ballot totals or something like that.
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The Justice Department has less credibility ISIS at this point. Why should anyone take them seriously? Equal application of the law is the last thing they're interested in. If they're not willing to apply laws equally and evenly, then their accusations are worthless.
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aggieforester05 said:

The Justice Department has less credibility ISIS at this point. Why should anyone take them seriously? Equal application of the law is the last thing they're interested in. If they're not willing to apply laws equally and evenly, then their accusations are worthless.
I didn't think most here would care about the NYT article. I just thought I'd provide some topical election thread news generally since it seems pretty tightly focused right now.

It would be funny if notwithstanding DJT demanding declarations of corruption without evidence from his DOJ, that later fraud turned out to be true (albeit not the particular theories Trump was latching onto at the time based on his internet sleuthing).

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500!

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Faustus said:

aggieforester05 said:

The Justice Department has less credibility ISIS at this point. Why should anyone take them seriously? Equal application of the law is the last thing they're interested in. If they're not willing to apply laws equally and evenly, then their accusations are worthless.
I didn't think most here would care about the NYT article. I just thought I'd provide some topical election thread news generally since it seems pretty tightly focused right now.

It would be funny if notwithstanding DJT demanding declarations of corruption without evidence from his DOJ, that later fraud turned out to be true (albeit not the particular theories Trump was latching onto at the time based on his internet sleuthing).


Just about every other thing Trump was ridiculed by the dems and the media (unnecessary repetition?) turned out to be accurate, why not this one?
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will25u said:


Not sure that will end well for them. State runs elections. Can they take away county gvmt oversight of their elections for refusing to cooperate?
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Faustus said:

The demands were an extraordinary instance of a president interfering with an agency that is typically more independent from the White House to advance his personal agenda. They are also the latest example of Mr. Trump's wide-ranging campaign during his final weeks in office to delegitimize the election results.

For example the Obama administration spying on the Trump campaign using FBI/DOJ was a completely independent above-board action-- right???

/sarcasm
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and, oh, BTW-- Happy 500!!!

Let's see, math says (allegedly!) that we have had 17,500 posts since inception. Let's assume that at least one out of four came from Ms Hawg, then she contributed 4375 nuggets to our life. Similar for Will25u, and so many others.

In the 269 days since Nov 3rd, 2020, we have averaged 65 posts/day, which is almost 2 pages worth.

Thank you all for your dedication to Election Integrity! I am so appreciative of being well informed and this is so great to have such helpful information flowing here, along with really great analysis and insight from ALL of us!
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ravingfans said:

Faustus said:

The demands were an extraordinary instance of a president interfering with an agency that is typically more independent from the White House to advance his personal agenda. They are also the latest example of Mr. Trump's wide-ranging campaign during his final weeks in office to delegitimize the election results.

For example the Obama administration spying on the Trump campaign using FBI/DOJ was a completely independent above-board action-- right???

/sarcasm
It is amazing how fast they fall back into the same routine. Biden not even there a year and the DOJ is already going back on years of precedence in releasing conversations with Trump.

Justice seems to be pretty one-sided these days
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Line Ate Member said:

ravingfans said:

Faustus said:

The demands were an extraordinary instance of a president interfering with an agency that is typically more independent from the White House to advance his personal agenda. They are also the latest example of Mr. Trump's wide-ranging campaign during his final weeks in office to delegitimize the election results.

For example the Obama administration spying on the Trump campaign using FBI/DOJ was a completely independent above-board action-- right???

/sarcasm
It is amazing how fast they fall back into the same routine. Biden not even there a year and the DOJ is already going back on years of precedence in releasing conversations with Trump.

Justice seems to be pretty one-sided these days
Just continuing that slow inexorable push to the next civil war. When one half of the country feels like justice only exists for the other half, they have nothing to lose in seeking change by whatever means are necessary.
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txags92 said:

Line Ate Member said:

ravingfans said:

Faustus said:

The demands were an extraordinary instance of a president interfering with an agency that is typically more independent from the White House to advance his personal agenda. They are also the latest example of Mr. Trump's wide-ranging campaign during his final weeks in office to delegitimize the election results.

For example the Obama administration spying on the Trump campaign using FBI/DOJ was a completely independent above-board action-- right???

/sarcasm
It is amazing how fast they fall back into the same routine. Biden not even there a year and the DOJ is already going back on years of precedence in releasing conversations with Trump.

Justice seems to be pretty one-sided these days
Just continuing that slow inexorable push to the next civil war. When one half of the country feels like justice only exists for the other half, they have nothing to lose in seeking change by whatever means are necessary.


All of this extreme corruption is working in the left's favor short term and they love it. Problem is, that they are not considering the long term consequences of their tyranny.
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aggieforester05 said:

txags92 said:

Line Ate Member said:

ravingfans said:

Faustus said:

The demands were an extraordinary instance of a president interfering with an agency that is typically more independent from the White House to advance his personal agenda. They are also the latest example of Mr. Trump's wide-ranging campaign during his final weeks in office to delegitimize the election results.

For example the Obama administration spying on the Trump campaign using FBI/DOJ was a completely independent above-board action-- right???

/sarcasm
It is amazing how fast they fall back into the same routine. Biden not even there a year and the DOJ is already going back on years of precedence in releasing conversations with Trump.

Justice seems to be pretty one-sided these days
Just continuing that slow inexorable push to the next civil war. When one half of the country feels like justice only exists for the other half, they have nothing to lose in seeking change by whatever means are necessary.


All of this extreme corruption is working in the left's favor short term and they love it. Problem is, that they are not considering the long term consequences of their tyranny.
I honestly think we have passed the tipping point towards the next one at this point. Government has been corrupt forever, but the one thing people could always count on was their belief that the law enforcement agencies were above it all. Now that Obama and the Clintons have destroyed faith in the FBI and the Justice department, nobody will be going to them looking to clean things up and restore faith in the rule of law. I honestly can't see a pathway back that leads to a restoration of faith in those agencies at this point. They are too far gone and too loaded with corrupt partisans to ever be trusted again. All it is going to take is somebody stupid enough or senile enough to try to take the next step of disarming the population, and things will go hot in a hurry.
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txags92 said:



I honestly think we have passed the tipping point towards the next one at this point. Government has been corrupt forever, but the one thing people could always count on was their belief that the law enforcement agencies were above it all. Now that Obama and the Clintons have destroyed faith in the FBI and the Justice department, nobody will be going to them looking to clean things up and restore faith in the rule of law. I honestly can't see a pathway back that leads to a restoration of faith in those agencies at this point. They are too far gone and too loaded with corrupt partisans to ever be trusted again. All it is going to take is somebody stupid enough or senile enough to try to take the next step of disarming the population, and things will go hot in a hurry.
The gameplan is to label any non NPCs as duhmestic threats to the democramacy and pass some laws that will make anyone questioning the narrative a felon. Then they will get a bunch of useful idiot cops to start confiscating firearms. Conservatives will sit back and do nothing as usual.
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Pookers said:

txags92 said:



I honestly think we have passed the tipping point towards the next one at this point. Government has been corrupt forever, but the one thing people could always count on was their belief that the law enforcement agencies were above it all. Now that Obama and the Clintons have destroyed faith in the FBI and the Justice department, nobody will be going to them looking to clean things up and restore faith in the rule of law. I honestly can't see a pathway back that leads to a restoration of faith in those agencies at this point. They are too far gone and too loaded with corrupt partisans to ever be trusted again. All it is going to take is somebody stupid enough or senile enough to try to take the next step of disarming the population, and things will go hot in a hurry.
The gameplan is to label any non NPCs as duhmestic threats to the democramacy and pass some laws that will make anyone questioning the narrative a felon. Then they will get a bunch of useful idiot cops to start confiscating firearms. Conservatives will sit back and do nothing as usual.
I agree with you that that is what they have planned. But I think you are dead wrong about how it will go for them. I think they have made the mistake of letting things get twisted up to 11 already, and with the example of all the riots last summer and the "defund the police" and release all the felons on PR bonds movements in full swing, nobody is going to take any attempt to disarm people lightly anymore. The Jan 6 capital kabuki theatre show and how they have reacted just served to highlight what the stakes are for next time.
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txags92 said:

Pookers said:

txags92 said:



I honestly think we have passed the tipping point towards the next one at this point. Government has been corrupt forever, but the one thing people could always count on was their belief that the law enforcement agencies were above it all. Now that Obama and the Clintons have destroyed faith in the FBI and the Justice department, nobody will be going to them looking to clean things up and restore faith in the rule of law. I honestly can't see a pathway back that leads to a restoration of faith in those agencies at this point. They are too far gone and too loaded with corrupt partisans to ever be trusted again. All it is going to take is somebody stupid enough or senile enough to try to take the next step of disarming the population, and things will go hot in a hurry.
The gameplan is to label any non NPCs as duhmestic threats to the democramacy and pass some laws that will make anyone questioning the narrative a felon. Then they will get a bunch of useful idiot cops to start confiscating firearms. Conservatives will sit back and do nothing as usual.
I agree with you that that is what they have planned. But I think you are dead wrong about how it will go for them. I think they have made the mistake of letting things get twisted up to 11 already, and with the example of all the riots last summer and the "defund the police" and release all the felons on PR bonds movements in full swing, nobody is going to take any attempt to disarm people lightly anymore. The Jan 6 capital kabuki theatre show and how they have reacted just served to highlight what the stakes are for next time.
The problem is the powers that be actually want violence. Violence allows them to further restrict our rights and potentially call in the UN peacekeepers in areas they have defunded the police and whatnot. We need to get busy pushing back using the legal system while we still have it.
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What it is going to take is a mid-1990's Giuliani type. Someone with a no nonsense, no excuses approach. Immediately replace leadership in all these agencies with the directive to clean house. Take the FBI, for example, I would be willing to bet the cronyism and 'corruption' is the worst kept secret in the Hoover building. There are rank and file people who keep their head down do their work, and see what is going on above/around them. The type of people who would come forward if they know someone would actually do something about it.

You start placing those people in charge of the agencies, give them complete authority, and back them completely. In parallel, you build a committee to begin detailing everything done by EO and appointments by the previous admins and begin methodically eradicating every single one of them (including going back to Bush era).

And most importantly, kill FISC and go back to the drawing board. Once you take this away, the entrenched bad actors lose the largest weapon to fight you. It can never be allowed to come back in its current form.
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Trump was set to do alot of that, and they preemptively crippled him. Nobody will be allowed to get that close again. The agencies will manufacture something to take down anybody who gets close, just like they did with Trump.
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txags92 said:

Trump was set to do alot of that, and they preemptively crippled him. Nobody will be allowed to get that close again. The agencies will manufacture something to take down anybody who gets close, just like they did with Trump.
It's about to be worse than that. The dems are about to do away with the filibuster and pass the "For the people" Act. That will codify their cheating into perpetuity. If that passes, progressives will control all levels of government. It's going to get very ugly.
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Wrong thread
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SIAP
BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Uncovered Email Shows Milwaukee Elections Executive Woodall-Vogg Laughing About the Election Steal on Election Night

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In the early hours of November 4th in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, a batch of 143,379 ballots, all for Joe Biden were dropped. We've unearthed an email that shows the culprits behind the 'drop' were laughing about it...
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We reported that Claire Woodall-Vogg was working alone late at night with the voting machines in Milwaukee. Her actions then were suspect, now they are borderline criminal.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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Pg 500 and this story starting to get somewhere.
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It's been building for a long, long time. The opposition is fanatical though. It's really hard to break through.
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There was more tough talk this morning w/r fraud. I think the 143,000-0 was a wake-up call (finally) for Fox.

"Oppose the audits? You're a fraud supporter."

Bartiromo (full-clip):
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Let's destroy all the voting machines!

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/corrupt-az-pa-democrats-threatening-destroy-voting-machines-forensic-audits-costing-taxpayers-millions-goes-eac-recommendations/
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peacedude said:

Let's destroy all the voting machines!

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/corrupt-az-pa-democrats-threatening-destroy-voting-machines-forensic-audits-costing-taxpayers-millions-goes-eac-recommendations/
Sounds like destruction of evidence to me, is Hilary involved?
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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Was 2000's election snafu a GUY named Chad?
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richardag said:

peacedude said:

Let's destroy all the voting machines!

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/corrupt-az-pa-democrats-threatening-destroy-voting-machines-forensic-audits-costing-taxpayers-millions-goes-eac-recommendations/
Sounds like destruction of evidence to me, is Hilary involved?




/sarcasm
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ELECTION WAS STOLEN
TRUMP WON

The gnashing of teeth and reeee of the cheaters will be deafening.
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will25u said:


I don't care how it "divides the country", the theft needs to be acknowledged and those responsible punished.
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This is a coup

Insurrection was nonsense, a psyop to distract from the coup.
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will25u said:


Lovely!

Yeah, so I killed someone and got away with it, but don't prove it with evidence because it will just piss people off and upset the victim's family.

Is this what qualifies as journalism, or 'deep thought's today?
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