*****OFFICIAL ELECTION DAY THREAD*****

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Raffensperger now:

We fixed the keg
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What I think happened to Sidney in the immediate aftermath of the election was just an avalanche of information buried both her and Rudy and they were overwhelmed and it showed. Too many needles in a haystack the size of Mt. Kilimanjaro. Sad but was a self-inflicted wound.

But you understood what she was saying as to why they filed the suit?
I think this is absolutely true, especially when you consider they were having to qualify legitimacy and seriousness.

I think Sydney, herself, said it perfectly in her statement (as to why).
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We had a legal obligation to the country and the electors to raise these issues. It is the duty of lawyers in the highest tradition of the practice of law to raise difficult and even unpopular issues. The fact that there may have been even adverse precedent against us does not change that fact.
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Give me a break
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Since day one, I have fought for against efforts by others for truth and integrity in our elections. I will never waver, until it becomes politically expedient.

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That was always my impression too when all the criticism was raised about the quality of the filings. They were challenged with a daunting task given the timetables, the amount of information, the unbelievably relentless attacks by the MSM, what appeared to be either an indifferent or obstinate court system, and what they felt was their legal obligation. I would have flown apart at the seams trying to do what Sidney was trying to do. Just think of the pressure knowing that there was a hard and fast inauguration deadline approaching.
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aggiehawg said:

American Hardwood said:

What gets me in that press briefing is how much BS Brad is shoveling to convince people that everything was going to be proven 100% accurate is short order and that all investigations will be thoroughly run to ground. None of that was true.

Edit to add: The only question for me regarding that doofus at this point is if the smokescreen was thrown up to cover his ass for incompetence or collusion.
The lengths he has gone to deny and cover this up, hard not to assume he received some hefty kickbacks or bribes to look the other way.
I think it is more likely that he was made aware of the "suicidal thoughts" that he and/or his family were having if he didn't let it all go down.
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I think Sydney, herself, said it perfectly in her statement (as to why).
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We had a legal obligation to the country and the electors to raise these issues. It is the duty of lawyers in the highest tradition of the practice of law to raise difficult and even unpopular issues. The fact that there may have been even adverse precedent against us does not change that fact.

Using Brown v. Board of Education as an example of a case being brought despite a binding Supreme Court precedent in Dred Scott was a nice touch and explained it perfectly. Were I still practicing, it would be around my 38th year. She's been practicing for 43 years so we likely received quite similar legal ethics training. You can stretch the boundaries if the right fact situation, such as one that is unique as 2020 was without running afoul of Rule 11.

But one thing that I wish more people would focus on and that is changing the laws on election cases that provide for standing and change statute of limitations to stop the ridiculous use of laches/standing for dismissal of post election suits.

The changes in the way elections are run are good but things will still happen> The court system really needs to be able to have meaningful remedies available.
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More from yesterday.

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Haller suggested Parker seemed to be demanding a level of scrutiny not customarily required of lawyers relaying witness accounts to the court. "I simply am confused as to the standard that is being applied when it comes to submitting a complaint," she said. "We did not submit falsehoods."

One particularly *****ly exchange came after the judge questioned an affidavit submitted in the case from a witness who said he was "perplexed" at the handling of ballots at the TCF Center in Detroit. Campbell sounded taken aback.

"Objectively, seriously?" he said. "The word 'perplexed' is what you think is worth the time and effort of all the staff and lawyers in this proceeding?"

"I would caution you to do not question my procedure," Parker said.

"I am not a potted plant. I will represent my client," Campbell declared.

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"That insurrection can be directly linked to the lies that were spread by the attorneys in this litigation," Fink argued. "We can't undo what happened on Jan. 6, but this court can do something to let the world know that attorneys in this country are not free to use the courts to tell lies."
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It's Politico so of course it is a very biased article but the quotes are accurate. And that quote from Campbell being that shocked to blurt out, (paraphrasing)"...seriously? That's why we are here? The use of the word perplexed?" And the judge threatens him not to question how she is conducting the hearing and he gets angry.

"I'm not a potted plant. I will represent my client."

Most of the lawyers present for that hearing are very experienced. They have seen it all but this judge still managed to shock them to that level where they had outbursts like that.
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Well...well...welll

https://www.facebook.com/chuck.paddock.9/videos/169809128541514
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Not a FB weenie. Cliffs?
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aggiehawg said:

Not a FB weenie. Cliffs?
I'm not on FB either but if you click on the link you can watch the video.
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aggiehawg said:

Not a FB weenie. Cliffs?
My bad. Its a video in Fulton County, GA showing how the same ballot was scanned and recorded multiple times, in multiple batches, on multiple machines.

They show the images up close and you can clearly see they are the same image scanned over and over again. If this is true, WOW.
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Thanks.
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Watching a rumble with Stephanie Lambert, Michigan attorney (she's also up on sanction charges) and she is talking about how a letter went out (not sure from whom) that directed local election officials that the election servicer would be coming to "change out batteries" and that the local election officials did NOT need to be present during this "routine servicing."

But she called one of her cyber experts (former NSA cyber guy) to ask what effects, if any would changing out the batteries on the machines have? His response was that there are other functions including memory devices that are solely on the battery power so removal and replacement of them would wipe those memories from those functions.

You are my IT go-to guy here. Could that be correct?

rumble link at bottom of the page HERE
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crowman2010 said:

Well...well...welll

https://www.facebook.com/chuck.paddock.9/videos/169809128541514
Shocker the Dems are cheating ****bags. People need to go to jail but most likely never will, it's infuriating.
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Watching further, Lambert just revealed she has an email from Dominion sent to Antrim County after the primaries in 2020 complaining about their unreliable internet connection.
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Dems really do want a bloody CW2.
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Well, I guess to be fair, we complain that Republicans in DC need to vote like actual Republicans.
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Michigan Secretary of State did not keep the source codes in escrow? (Sorry, I'm behind and watching this rumble with Stephanie Lambert about Michigan and when my jaw drops, I pause it and come here to post.)

The significance of not using the escrow system for source code is huge. Michigan uses ES&S and Dominion machines. The Sec of State should have the standard source code escrow clause in every contract with a voting machine vendor. Third party holds the source code and the Sec of State can access that upon certain conditions as stated within the contract. Read that clause in the Georgia contract with Dominion. (Surprise to me that such escrow companies existed but I'm a noob when it comes to IT stuff.)
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crowman2010 said:

Well...well...welll

https://www.facebook.com/chuck.paddock.9/videos/169809128541514
Wow...that's going to be scrubbed soon...
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aggiehawg said:

Michigan Secretary of State did not keep the source codes in escrow? (Sorry, I'm behind and watching this rumble with Stephanie Lambert about Michigan and when my jaw drops, I pause it and come here to post.)

The significance of not using the escrow system for source code is huge. Michigan uses ES&S and Dominion machines. The Sec of State should have the standard source code escrow clause in every contract with a voting machine vendor. Third party holds the source code and the Sec of State can access that upon certain conditions as stated within the contract. Read that clause in the Georgia contract with Dominion. (Surprise to me that such escrow companies existed but I'm a noob when it comes to IT stuff.)
My guess is that it's just a civil issue, although it should be criminal.

Actually, if I'm the SOS of Michigan, I'd just state "I made a mistake". That's generally all that's needed for most judges these days. Granted, that's for an elected official, not a regular American citizen.
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crowman2010 said:

Well...well...welll

https://www.facebook.com/chuck.paddock.9/videos/169809128541514
Watch this video everyone. It explains how the ballots were duplicated across various batches in the Fulton County, Georgia election center. Isn't this where the 'suitcases full of ballots' were filmed??
San Angelo LIVE!
https://sanangelolive.com/
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Hawg, would Raffensberger have a similar source code situation in Fulton County?

I only ask because I would suspect all states are required to keep their source codes someplace!
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fasthorse05 said:

Hawg, would Raffensberger have a similar source code situation in Fulton County?

I only ask because I would suspect all states are required to keep their source codes someplace!
Don't think so. Their contract clearly calls for the escrow and confirmation of such.

To me here is the big issue. That contract allows for the source code being released from escrow. who are supposed to have the most current version) if they declare Dominion in default of contract under specified circumstances.

Well past those circumstances, now.
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aggiehawg said:

Michigan Secretary of State did not keep the source codes in escrow? (Sorry, I'm behind and watching this rumble with Stephanie Lambert about Michigan and when my jaw drops, I pause it and come here to post.)

The significance of not using the escrow system for source code is huge. Michigan uses ES&S and Dominion machines. The Sec of State should have the standard source code escrow clause in every contract with a voting machine vendor. Third party holds the source code and the Sec of State can access that upon certain conditions as stated within the contract. Read that clause in the Georgia contract with Dominion. (Surprise to me that such escrow companies existed but I'm a noob when it comes to IT stuff.)
Without going too deep, I'm aware of what the laws around government software contracts in Michigan are. There absolutely should have been an escrow requirement around the source code for this.

Not having it is a breach of state laws governing contracts up there, they have some explaining to do. Someone would have intentionally had to exclude that from the contract and someone in either the SOS or Governor's legal team would have had to sign off on that contract not including it.

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fasthorse05 said:

Hawg, would Raffensberger have a similar source code situation in Fulton County?

I only ask because I would suspect all states are required to keep their source codes someplace!
Yes, these states all have the requirement of source in escrow to protect the state from liability around failure of those systems, or in the case of the vendor going out of business.

Shady AF if Michigan doesn't have that in their deal with Dominion / ES&S.

Someone should be hitting every county / state using ES&S/Dominion and be requesting a copy of their contracts with said entities to figure out where else the law is being broken and shenanigans are being pulled.
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full rumble HERE
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aggiehawg said:

full rumble HERE
Three people in Michigan blocking transparency. Wold say unbelievable but I have come to accept the Democratic Party leadership is completely corrupt and unethical.

Worth watching
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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This guy.

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BadMoonRisin said:


The evidence is mounting rapidly there was massive fraud.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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They don't GAF about public perception. They cheated without recourse and they are not going to guarantee that AZ stays blue. The supervisors should have protests outside their houses 24/7 until they cancel that, and any contract with Dominion.
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