*****OFFICIAL ELECTION DAY THREAD*****

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We fixed the keg said:

1) Make election day a federal holiday
2) Require government issue ID to vote
3) Mandate all votes done in person with limited access to absentee ballots for hardship only
4) Require justification for hardship (out of town/country, serving in military overseas, or physical hardship for disabled/elderly/ill)
5) Simplify, secure, and fix the voting process/systems.

I know most don't share my opinion (fewer each passing election), but voting in person, on election day, is a privilege afforded to us by many who have sacrificed.


Military members retain citizenship in their home of record, which may not be where they are stationed in the US. So vote by mail option for military should apply regardless of whether or not they're overseas. Otherwise, I agree with everything you said.
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I'm sure many of y'all have contemplated this thought, but in order to have a gross nationwide election screw-up like this, there HAS to be probably 100 people, or more, at the top of the ladder (organization), with plans for each and every myopic section of our election process.

Certainly mail-in ballots were part of this, but the almost 100% certainty of the machines being completely insecure, and probably internet capable, means several companies are involved too.

Beyond the 100, or so, folks I suggested creating, and running the show, there had to have been 1000 to 2000 Dem acolytes willingly going along with the charade. I seriously doubt this is just from five states. What's funny about it, is the culprits apparently chose the executive office only, as we picked up every House seat that was a toss-up. Senate is also questionable.

I know we'll never find out how the whole cabal was put together, due to corruption and incompetency from our DOJ and the Dems, but it's astounding how big this is.
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BuddysBud said:

We fixed the keg said:

voting in person, on election day, is a privilege afforded to us by many who have sacrificed.





Such a privilege we don't even have it as a national holiday so people can take off from work to get to the polls
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The playbook.

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Earlier this year, just as it was becoming clear that Joe Biden would be the Democratic Party's nominee for president, Plouffe published a book outlining his vision for the Democrats' roadmap to victory in 2020, which involved a "block by block" effort to turn out voters in key Democratic strongholds in the swing states that would ultimately decide the election, such as Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Detroit, and Minneapolis.

The book was titled, A Citizen's Guide to Defeating Donald Trump, and it turned out that the citizen Plouffe had in mind was none other than his former boss, Mark Zuckerberg. Although Plouffe no longer officially managed Zuckerberg's policy and advocacy efforts at that point, the political operative's influence evidently remained a powerful force.
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An email introducing a Delaware County councilwoman to the idea of election grants from a nonprofit also cc'd a political strategist whose online bio boasts that he led "the soft-side effort to win the swing state [Pennsylvania] in 2020" for Democrats and their causes.

The revelation is likely the first direct link in Pennsylvania between grants from the Chicago-based Center for Tech and Civic Life for the 2020 election and a source with an open partisan affiliation for Democrats.

The email was obtained by Republican activist Leah Hoopes from Delaware County via a Right to Know request filed in February.

The email thread began on July 24 of last year when someone named Gwen Camp emailed Delaware County Councilwoman Christine Reuther. Although requests for comment to Camp were not returned, she is most likely a former Obama administration FEMA staffer as well as a former staffer for Sen. Bob Casey, according to a LinkedIn bio with that name.

Also cc'd on the email was Kevin Mack, whose email address identified him as employed with Deliver Strategies.

"Kevin Mack is a veteran political, communications and direct mail strategist," his bio on the Deliver Strategies website says. "Mack most recently served as Lead Strategist for The Voter Project in Pennsylvania which was instrumental in signing up over 3.2 million people to vote by mail and leading the soft-side effort to win the swing state in 2020. Prior to that, Mack ran the Need to Impeach Campaign which built a grassroots movement of over 8.4 million Americans across all 50 states."
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The website's homepage boasts that Deliver Strategies has worked for campaigns ranging from President Obama to Governor Wolf, and Congresswoman Susan Wildall Democrats.

"Christine and Marc, I know you've both been hearing about the other's operations but wanted to get everyone together to talk about the potential for an official partnership," Camp wrote as she introduced Reuther to Marc Solomon, a longtime political strategist.

"Marc, I would love to talk to you about the journey we have been on with our election department in Delco, what we have to do, even if I have to steal funds from other County departments, and what I would like to do if I can find the money," Reuther replied.

The last person included in the email thread is Jennifer Walls-Lavelle, a staffer for Gov. Tom Wolf. The email for Walls-Lavellle was a personal email address however and did not use her state-provided email account.
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Agree, point well made.
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I'm no body language expert but I'm pretty sure Barron's body language in that video indicates he's a bald faced liar (could be a dog faced pony soldier as well).
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If anyone is interested.

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Jack Lime said:

Doug Logan is a Q lunatic. He was sure the election was "stolen" before he'd examined any evidence. It's being financed by right wing "stop the steal" types that expect a return on investment. It's not hard to muddy the waters when they write their report no matter how clean the ballots are.

You want people to trust the "auditors"? Don't hire right wing lunatics with zero experience. They look like hired guns. I suspect this "audit" will get an audit of its own, that will be a lot more interesting.
Not a Q believer myself, actually consider myself moderate and independent, but I was suspect of the election outcome because I understand math and statistics. The numbers and swings that occurred in the counting after election day made it pretty clear something sinister occurred. The audit is a process to see what exactly occurred.
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Here's another live feed.



This is in Henry County and not Fulton County because the court in Fulton County in which this case was originally filed ruled that Favoritio's request for a declaratory judgment was an "election contest" under Georgia law and those need to be heard by an adjacent county. So it was transferred to Amero's court.

Now, under Georgia law, and "election contest" is a specific legal action with time limits for filing. Defendants are saying the case is untimely. Again another overly technical reason to prevent further examination of the ballots.

I still say defendants' objections have been waived and the ballots scanned at 200dpi already. Another scan under court ordered procedures is not increasing any harm to the defendants.
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nothing suspicious at all in Arizona.

Trump rally in Phoenix area:


Kamala Harris rallying for Joe in Phoenix area on the same day while Joe had called a lid and returned to basement:


Trump parade on lake Havasu AZ:


miles long Trump parade in Phoenix:

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Arrrgh! Feed was cut right when the judge was talking about experts being able to tell if counterfeit ballots were included in the vote totals.

ETA: Feed back up but court appears to be in recess for some reason.

ETA: Looks like they are back
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Judge Amero will not rule on the motions to dismiss today. Taken under advisement. All discovery is halted until he rules further.
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Some more thoughts on the hearing this morning.

At one point, it appeared that Fulton County ws arguing they were an improper party because they didn't have responsibility for running the election yet the plaintiffs' attorney pointed out that Fulton County contracted out election services to Abrams' outfit, Happy Faces Personnel. So if Fulton County didn't have the authority to conduct the elections, how did they have authority to contract those services out to a third party? And if the claim is the third party was the one at fault, why hasn't Fulton County filed a third party complaint, bring them in and point the finger there?

Like the courtroom equivalent of three card monte. Is this the right party? Is that the right party? How about this one?? They did manage to confuse the judge at one point wherein he had to interject and ask them for a clarification.

The judge did keep in place his order to the Fulton County Sheriff's Department to keep guarding the warehouse 24/7 wherein the ballots are stored. And the defendants did waive the service of process issues but asked that the time for their answers to the complaints be extended to 7 days after the judge's ruling n the motions to dismiss. (Obviously if he dismisses, they won't respond at al.

Another complicating issue is that the Georgia state constitution was recently amended regarding sovereign immunity at the beginning of the year. Was sovereign immunity waived for the election that occurred before the amendment? I would argue it was waived when they participated in evidentiary hearings previously but that's just me. Don't know Georgia law that well.
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aggiehawg said:

The playbook.

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Earlier this year, just as it was becoming clear that Joe Biden would be the Democratic Party's nominee for president, Plouffe published a book outlining his vision for the Democrats' roadmap to victory in 2020, which involved a "block by block" effort to turn out voters in key Democratic strongholds in the swing states that would ultimately decide the election, such as Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Detroit, and Minneapolis.

The book was titled, A Citizen's Guide to Defeating Donald Trump, and it turned out that the citizen Plouffe had in mind was none other than his former boss, Mark Zuckerberg. Although Plouffe no longer officially managed Zuckerberg's policy and advocacy efforts at that point, the political operative's influence evidently remained a powerful force.
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It's impossible to know exactly what happened, because Republican observers were denied meaningful access to the process and in some cases literally locked out of the counting rooms while election workers obscured the windows with cardboard.
Zuckerberg should be charged, convicted and in jail.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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At a minimum, Zuckerberg and the head of the CTCL need to be deposed under oath. And if someone tries to challenge the new state laws that now outlaw private money in elections, that could happen.
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GA's waiving of sovereign law would have made it possible for for individual contractors to be sued, instead of the State, correct?

And, the fact you don't know GA law isn't that big of a deal. Candidly, it would be amazing if you did.

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fasthorse05 said:

GA's waiving of sovereign law would have made it possible for for individual contractors to be sued, instead of the State, correct?

And, the fact you don't know GA law isn't that big of a deal. Candidly, it would be amazing if you did.


The amendment was passed to address some court case that I didn't catch the name of. The discussion of the statutory language was pretty confusing as the lawyers rambled a lot.

But my impression has always been that sovereign immunity is not usually a successful defense to an equal protection or due process constitutional claim. Further, just because Futon County contracted out to Abrams' Happy Faces Personnel and it was those employees that violated the plaintiffs' constitutional rights doesn't negate the County's responsibility as those employees were operating under color of state law.

The question of Richard Barron was discussed within this context. His immediate supervisory body tried to fire him. They were overruled by another subagency of Fulton County and on up the food chain. So their ability to mandate that Barron remain in his position even after his disastrous performance during both the primary and general election indicates that the County does have such authority and wields it like a mace.

So their claims are specious and I would have expected the judge to wave those off immediately. The fact that he didn't is concerning.
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Maricopa update:

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Conradson: it's last week of counting. can you tell us about what's going on, on the floor?

Bennett: Well, there's a few little holdovers on the counting side. The last three boxes that we haven't touched yet are the Braille ballots. We've got two or three Braille readers who are going to be in tomorrow morning to deal with those ballots, everything else has been counted. There's some double checking going on. And then, most of the activity on the floor, has to do with the paper evaluation.

Conradson: So we're set to be done on Saturday, right.


Bennett: At the pace we're making. We should be done this week.

Conradson: What about the subpoenaed passwords and routers?

Bennett: We're still pushing the county for some of the information that we've not received, but I think the focus is getting these two phases the hand count, And the paper evaluation done. Then we'll turn our focus to getting some of the other information that didn't come over.

Conradson: Are you guys going to have to take criminal action?

Bennett: I hope not. I believe that they will provide us what we need by subpoena. The county and the Senate both know that the Maricopa County Superior Court judge has ruled that the counties are that the Senate subpoenas are valid and need to be complied with, so we hope things will go smoothly.


Conradson: Can we talk about the end of the legislative session here in Arizona, the Senate's going home, what is going to happen with the end of the audit?


Bennett: well, obviously, if we find things that need to be fixed in Arizona election laws or procedures in the audit, we would love to have those things considered, this year for passage of corrections to those state laws, instead of waiting for next year. Because if you put it in the regular session next year, and the session doesn't end until May or June, like this year did then, those bills don't become effective until 90 days later. By that time you're well into the election of 2022. So, one way or another, I personally hope that the legislature and the governor will find a way to either keep the legislative session open. Maybe recess instead of sine die, or a commitment maybe to come back for a special session later this fall, so that these corrections if we find any can be made this year and be in effect for next year instead of being made next year and not effect until 2024.

Conradson: what can regular citizens do to make sure that these corrections are made this year?

Bennett: They can contact their state representatives and state senators, encouraged them to be open to consider any recommendations that come out of the audit, and get those things taken care of this year so that they are in effect for next year.

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Back to Georgia. This gets complicated. Open records requests done by two different news entities apparently has resulted in Fulton County providing different records on the same subject, chain of custody on the drop boxes.

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Richard Barron, Georgia Fulton County Elections Board Director performed a miracle this past week. He located more than a thousand chain of custody documents for the county that have been missing since the 2020 Election.
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The Georgia Star News has been reporting for months on the massive amount of documentation legally required in the 2020 Election that has been missing. Every ballot in the election is required to be tracked from when the vote was cast to the point where the ballot was counted and stored for future audits if needed.

The Star reported only a few months ago that Georgia was missing chain of custody documentation on over 350,000 ballots:

Then only a week ago it was reported that Fulton County Georgia was missing chain of custody documentation on 18,900 ballots in the county.
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Then a miracle happened. The individual who was reportedly let go in February. Richard Barron

He, Richard Barron, and the County reportedly located the chain of custody documentation on all 18,900 ballots in Fulton County.

A reporter from the local Public Broadcasting Media outlet broke the news. The reporter tweeted that a miracle had occurred. He somehow located a copy of a chain of custody document in his tweet. He claimed that all the missing documentation was found. A miracle occurred.
Now this reporter from the public broadcasting is a never Trumper and anti-audit judging from his twitter account that I was reading this morning trying to find a working link to today's hearing. He's also a snarky pr***.



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Unfortunately, the document the reporter provided in his tweet disagreed with the total number of ballots missing as previously reported by the county.
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The Georgia Star reported:

"After GPB News asked the Fulton county Monday about the forms not included in the Georgia Star's records request, elections staff located all but eight of the more than 1,500 forms" and "provided them to GPB News on a flash drive," wrote Fowler.

GPB News said that Fulton County Elections Board Director Rick Barron told elections board members during a meeting on Thursday, June 17, "that staff spent more than 200 hours this week locating the forms to counter the claims of 'missing' forms."

Meanwhile, Fulton County has not provided the additional transfer forms to The Star News that they have located and supplied to GPB News.
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Soo, to recap. It only took 200 hours to find the forms that were never really missing, according to Barron? Sounds to me like someone doesn't understand the federal election materials retention statutes.

Much longer article by the Georgia Star News HERE
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PA is getting closer to their own audit.

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A top Pennsylvania Republican says he supports an audit of the state's presidential election results similar to a review being conducted in Arizona, raising the potential for other states to spend taxpayer money investigating former President Trump's false claims of improprieties and fraud.

Pennsylvania state Sen. David Argall (R), who heads the Senate State Government Committee that has oversight of election administration, told reporters he supports another look at the Pennsylvania results.

"It's a very careful recount, forensic audit, so yeah, I don't see the danger in it," Argall said during a forum with reporters from Spotlight PA, a consortium of media companies from across the state. "I just think that it would not be a bad idea at all to proceed with an audit similar to what they're doing in Arizona."
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But he said he would back yet another count as a way to address the mistrust in election results he hears from constituents in his home district.

"I am not hung up on how exactly the audit is completed. I just think that we should complete one," he said. "I think it needs to be independent. I think there is going to be mistrust if the same people who conducted the election conduct the audit."

Biden carried Pennsylvania's 20 electoral votes by a margin of more than 80,000 votes, or more than 1 percentage point, a wider margin than Trump's victory there in 2016. Biden won 3.45 million votes in Pennsylvania, more than any presidential contender in the commonwealth's history.
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I'm absolutely thrilled some of these folks are getting close to audits, but choosing the right (see competent with integrity) company will be paramount.

Otherwise, we might as wel have AOC, and her brain donors doing the audit.
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Anyone else getting the feeling Bennett is trying to temper expectations?

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fasthorse05 said:

I'm absolutely thrilled some of these folks are getting close to audits, but choosing the right (see competent with integrity) company will be paramount.

Otherwise, we might as wel have AOC, and her brain donors doing the audit.
Unless its some deepstate backed big 5 auditor the establishment will label them right wing extremists / fraudit, etc.

Cyber Ninjas seem fine to me; they've got it down and worked out the kinks.
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Highlights from today's hearing in Georgia at Link
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Pookers said:

fasthorse05 said:

I'm absolutely thrilled some of these folks are getting close to audits, but choosing the right (see competent with integrity) company will be paramount.

Otherwise, we might as wel have AOC, and her brain donors doing the audit.
Unless its some deepstate backed big 5 auditor the establishment will label them right wing extremists / fraudit, etc.

Cyber Ninjas seem fine to me; they've got it down and worked out the kinks.
Right, anyone that will not guarantee the results that the Democrats want, will be labeled as frauds by the left and their media propagandists. The only way to combat this is to move forward with integrity and leave them no avenue to attack. Even so, they'll make up **** to attack the auditors and no one will hold them accountable for doing so.

What we really need is media accountability and for liberals to develop the ability to think critically. I think the former may help with the latter. We are completely screwed without an honest press in this age of instant news stories, non existent retractions, and no accountability for dishonest/agenda driven reporting.
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aggieforester05 said:

Pookers said:

fasthorse05 said:

I'm absolutely thrilled some of these folks are getting close to audits, but choosing the right (see competent with integrity) company will be paramount.

Otherwise, we might as wel have AOC, and her brain donors doing the audit.
Unless its some deepstate backed big 5 auditor the establishment will label them right wing extremists / fraudit, etc.

Cyber Ninjas seem fine to me; they've got it down and worked out the kinks.
Right, anyone that will not guarantee the results that the Democrats want, will be labeled as frauds by the left and their media propagandists. The only way to combat this is to move forward with integrity and leave them no avenue to attack. Even so, they'll make up **** to attack the auditors and no one will hold them accountable for doing so.

What we really need is media accountability and for liberals to develop the ability to think critically. I think the former may help with the latter. We are completely screwed without an honest press in this age of instant news stories, non existent retractions, and no accountability for dishonest/agenda driven reporting.
If they had the ability to think critically, they wouldn't be liberals anymore.
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Not to be a Debbie Downer but it sure looks like the Arizona legislature will go into recess until next January before the results of the audit are complied and released. That really limits the type of corrective legislative action they can take either to address 2020 nor even 2022.
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Whatever adjustments they were going to make, it was going to be litigated because "voter suppresion", so I didn't expect it to be resolved for mid-terms.
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Update from Kelli Ward.

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Dr. Kelli Ward: Hello Arizona, it is time for the daily update from the Republican Party of Arizona. I am your Chairwoman Dr Kelli ward. Arizona Secretary of State, radical leftist Liberal Democrat Katie Hobbs is on Twitter calling for an end to the full forensic audit of the 2020 Maricopa County election, again.

This time her reason is a story from her allies on CNN, who appear to have stolen a story from local reporter, Jen, throw a fit-field without even giving her credit for her misInformation, How dare they. CNN claims that data from the Maricopa County audit was taken to a secure lab somewhere in Montana. They even sent a reporter to Montana to the private property of one of the executives of a company that is a contractor for the forensic audit. The network also appears to want to dox the auditor if they can get away with it by just showing a little video highlighting his property and going to realtor.com to get information about it. The reporter says he did pass "No Trespassing" signs at the Montana property, so he had to resort to drone footage and real estate listings of the property to get out his propaganda. his so called expose showed a home, a rather nice one, and a barn, and a lot of acres, but the CNN flunky informed Anderson Cooper that there was no sign of a secure lab in his expert opinion, it's oh so mysterious.

He also admitted that he had no facts to deal with. He said this, Is this the secure powerful laboratory? is Arizona voting data inside that cabin? We just don't know, but it could be. Is that supposed to be journalism? Thank goodness President Trump exposed CNN for being fake news and woke up America to the propaganda being spewed by them.

the factual information that we have is that the company in question, CyFIR, does have a secure lab. it makes sense that they would have a secure lab since the company does work for the United States Department of Defense, the DOD, as well as other federal agencies and fortune 500 companies. While I don't know the particulars about this company, most DOD contractors are required to have security clearances, a fact that media outlets like CNN are ignoring. over the last year, many of us have learned to work remotely using VPNs or other security measures, it really can be done securely and I'm sure Cypher knows how. if a cypher executive is working remotely, and securely from his Montana home, how is that a news story?

The story should be why the Maricopa county board of supervisors will not demand that Dominion, hand over the Splunk logs hardware keys and passwords subpoenaed by the Arizona State Senate. I'm sure if we got that information, it would assure the Arizona voters that the tabulation machines were never connected to the internet, and also inform us as to where and how they crunched our protected voter data.


Leftest Katie Hobbs, who is focused on raising her profile in any way she can to grab on even more power in our state by running for governor has a vested interest in making sure that nothing negative is found by the Arizona audit.


After all, the 2020 election happened on her watch. And she was the statewide official in charge of the elections, draw your own conclusions. We're going to continue to keep you updated on the audit and on other important issues. And remember, here at the Republican Party of Arizona, it is always America first.

See you next time!
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TRM said:

Whatever adjustments they were going to make, it was going to be litigated because "voter suppresion", so I didn't expect it to be resolved for mid-terms.
They could change certification requirements for electronic voting, IOW, ban Dominion.
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If something isn't missing, it doesn't take 200 hours to find. Just because the files are found now, that doesn't mean they weren't missing up to this point.

Also, just to throw this out there, I don't think it would take 200 hours to find something that is supposedly not missing, but it might take 200 hours to fabricate something that is missing. Just sayin'.
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aggiehawg said:

Not to be a Debbie Downer but it sure looks like the Arizona legislature will go into recess until next January before the results of the audit are complied and released. That really limits the type of corrective legislative action they can take either to address 2020 nor even 2022.
It would be nice if the timelines synced, but Arizona could pass legislation tightening up the election security WITHOUT the benefit of the report.
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raising the potential for other states to spend taxpayer money investigating former President Trump's false claims of improprieties and fraud.
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