And yet, stock market new highs. Potential of Trump having a win on the voting or totally ignoring the whole issue? I'd say the second which is unbelievable to me. All it can think of is more stimulus.

Wisconsin state supreme court refuses to hear case.

aggiehawg said:

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Wisconsin state supreme court refuses to hear case.

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Is this a way the state can prevent it from getting to the Supreme Court?

Gyles Marrett said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Wisconsin state supreme court refuses to hear case.

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Is this a way the state can prevent it from getting to the Supreme Court?

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Yes. No case for them to review. Why I questioned the use of original jurisdiction to file it in the Wisconsin state supreme court. If they don't hear, no recourse.

aggiehawg said:

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Gyles Marrett said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Wisconsin state supreme court refuses to hear case.

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Is this a way the state can prevent it from getting to the Supreme Court?

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Yes. No case for them to review. Why I questioned the use of original jurisdiction to file it in the Wisconsin state supreme court. If they don't hear, no recourse.

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That is very depressing...

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Either SurveyUSA's sampling is way off, or Lin Wood and Sidney Powell are having a big impact on the runoff. We'll get to the sampling issues and there are some in a moment, but the toplines of their poll with Atlanta's 11Alive show both Democrats out in front of the Republican incumbents in Georgia's two Senate runoffs. One of the two Democrats has a lead outside the margin of error (arguably), and it's not the one you'd think:

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With the Jan. 5 runoff races just a little more than a month away, a SurveyUSA Poll commissioned exclusively by 11Alive shows that the candidates are in tight, competitive races.
The poll indicates that in the runoff between Perdue and Democratic challenger Jon Ossoff, the candidates run effectively even. The poll shows Ossoff at 50 percent, nominally 2 points ahead of Perdue, at 48 percent.
The slight lead, however, shouldn't be viewed as anything more than validation that every vote will be critical when Georgia starts counting ballots. Ossoff also led some polls in the run-up to the Nov. 3 general election, before Perdue secured about 86,000 more votes.

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There are some issues with SurveyUSA's sampling, as I mentioned. We can see that from the published margin of error, which comes in at a rather high 5.2%. That essentially renders the Purdue/Ossoff result a dead heat, and arguably does the same with the Warnock/Loeffler race too, depending on how one applies MoE. We haven't seen many polls for the runoff, but the others had MoEs of less than 4%.

The sample assumes that Democrats will outperform Republicans in turnout, too. The sample is comprised of 44% Democrats, 41% Republicans, and 11% independents. Not only does that contradict turnout in the just-completed election (34% Dems, 38% GOP, 28% indies), it also flies in the face of Georgia history for runoff elections. That problem should have been obvious in the control questions of the poll, where both Biden and Ossoff overperform against their actual results:

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VIA Hot Air

aggiehawg said:

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Wisconsin state supreme court refuses to hear case.

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Have no idea if this is correct or not?

will25u said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Wisconsin state supreme court refuses to hear case.

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Have no idea if this is correct or not?

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Unfortunately time is running out, wirh certification on Dec 14, there's not enough time to make it through the lower courts I fear.

Other hypothetical (and a big one), IF they do get the case to WI SC, and it rules in favor of Trumps campaign. What then? What's the remedy

Well if this is true, that is a good indication that perhaps the WI SC is interested in proper procedure (or) protocol, which in turn would favor Trump no? Or wishful thinking?

If that's the case is it not embarrassing they didn't know procedure?

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aggiehawg said:

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Wisconsin state supreme court refuses to hear case.

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Have no idea if this is correct or not?

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Kicks the can too far down the road under the safe harbor provision and the Dec 14th EC vote. They can claim it is not a setback but it is.

aggiehawg said:

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Gyles Marrett said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Wisconsin state supreme court refuses to hear case.

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Is this a way the state can prevent it from getting to the Supreme Court?

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Yes. No case for them to review. Why I questioned the use of original jurisdiction to file it in the Wisconsin state supreme court. If they don't hear, no recourse.

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So basically this is a strategy states could use to prevent Trump from ever even getting a chance in the Supreme Court?

Gyles Marrett said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Gyles Marrett said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Wisconsin state supreme court refuses to hear case.

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Is this a way the state can prevent it from getting to the Supreme Court?

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Yes. No case for them to review. Why I questioned the use of original jurisdiction to file it in the Wisconsin state supreme court. If they don't hear, no recourse.

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So basically this is a strategy states could use to prevent Trump from ever even getting a chance in the Supreme Court?

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There are other cases in SCOTUS but the entire issue here is to deny Biden the 270 EC votes to get to a contingent election. Need more than one state that can't certify in time and simply having an open court case is not enough to prevent certification from happening, barring action by the state legislatures which don't look likely at this point.

Looking bleak.

The courts don't want to touch this. They are going to do everything possible to avoid having to make a ruling on the merits and determine the remedy.

I think ultimately they are going to say there is a legislative remedy available and the courts would be overstepping by determining a remedy when the legislature could if they wanted to.

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The courts don't want to touch this. They are going to do everything possible to avoid having to make a ruling on the merits and determine the remedy.

I think ultimately they are going to say there is a legislative remedy available and the courts would be overstepping by determining a remedy when the legislature could if they wanted to.

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It certainly takes a leg of support from the strategy as I believe the play all along was to - in court and the publics eye - be persuasive enough that the court kicked it back to the legislature, and the legislature would have the cover of the court order to consider the will of the people and administer the remedy. Without the cover of the court the legislature can still act (correct me if I am wrong), but they would be acting unilaterally and without the benefit of the legal arguments and evidence that would (by then) be of record for all to analyze and consider.

aggiehawg said:

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Gyles Marrett said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Gyles Marrett said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Wisconsin state supreme court refuses to hear case.

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Is this a way the state can prevent it from getting to the Supreme Court?

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Yes. No case for them to review. Why I questioned the use of original jurisdiction to file it in the Wisconsin state supreme court. If they don't hear, no recourse.

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So basically this is a strategy states could use to prevent Trump from ever even getting a chance in the Supreme Court?

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There are other cases in SCOTUS but the entire issue here is to deny Biden the 270 EC votes to get to a contingent election. Need more than one state that can't certify in time and simply having an open court case is not enough to prevent certification from happening, barring action by the state legislatures which don't look likely at this point.

Looking bleak.

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It's not over, but it's getting close if something doesn't break Trump's way soon.

All to show how deep the swamp is? Not just federal as has been the perceptions? I have no doubt Trump's attorneys know the procedures. But how else do you just not spring the trap without the public going "Trump Coup, Won't Leave Office"?

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aggiehawg said:

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Gyles Marrett said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Gyles Marrett said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Wisconsin state supreme court refuses to hear case.

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Is this a way the state can prevent it from getting to the Supreme Court?

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Yes. No case for them to review. Why I questioned the use of original jurisdiction to file it in the Wisconsin state supreme court. If they don't hear, no recourse.

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So basically this is a strategy states could use to prevent Trump from ever even getting a chance in the Supreme Court?

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There are other cases in SCOTUS but the entire issue here is to deny Biden the 270 EC votes to get to a contingent election. Need more than one state that can't certify in time and simply having an open court case is not enough to prevent certification from happening, barring action by the state legislatures which don't look likely at this point.

Looking bleak.

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It's not over, but it's getting close if something doesn't break Trump's way soon.

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Yep. Looks like you can cheat all you want as long as you drag your D long enough to slow the process where the courts time runs out.

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Gyles Marrett said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Gyles Marrett said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Gyles Marrett said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Wisconsin state supreme court refuses to hear case.

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Is this a way the state can prevent it from getting to the Supreme Court?

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Yes. No case for them to review. Why I questioned the use of original jurisdiction to file it in the Wisconsin state supreme court. If they don't hear, no recourse.

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So basically this is a strategy states could use to prevent Trump from ever even getting a chance in the Supreme Court?

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There are other cases in SCOTUS but the entire issue here is to deny Biden the 270 EC votes to get to a contingent election. Need more than one state that can't certify in time and simply having an open court case is not enough to prevent certification from happening, barring action by the state legislatures which don't look likely at this point.

Looking bleak.

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It's not over, but it's getting close if something doesn't break Trump's way soon.

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Yep. Looks like you can cheat all you want as long as you drag your D long enough to slow the process where the courts time runs out.

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Posted this in another thread, I think it sets up nicely for trump in 2024:

There is some very good news to all this IF we hold the senate... Biden will blow it during the next 4 years by not being progressive enough for the dems. Or very possibly, he will completely lose all of his marbles and they would move in Kamala... The repercussions of which would be catastrophic to the Dems chance of beating trump in 2024...

You know more likely than not we will probably take back the house and gain in the senate in the midterms, as happens for each incumbent . Then trump will be in the on deck circle again with a house and a senate at his disposal just like in 2016... It will be Epic when he gets to push in another 1-2 SCOTUS picks lol...

With what went in this election and the Vaccine coming out, I do not foresee poll watchers having to social distance or be banned for some meaningless excuse from watching signature verifications in 2024... It's going to be a lot harder to steal in 2024 and I expect the mail in numbers to drop off drastically. There's going to be poll watchers on top of poll watchers in 2024 covering front and back doors and I'd donate whatever I have to pay to fly them out there. But who knows they could have another way to cheat up their sleeves.. We just have to have eyes and ears everywhere.. Also we Have to push for election reform, it's a must... Everyone must and should be required to have an ID or social attached to the ballot. If you don't want your social attached to a mailed in ballot then don't vote by mail period. Anything less is unacceptable

If not for COVID, there's no question trump would have been re-elected.. hopefully operation warp speed along with Trump will get the credit they deserve when the virus is obsolete... American will swing trumps way again, he's not going anywhere..

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Has Trump said he will run in 2024? Why do you think this?

He has hinted at it as recent as Tuesday night

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Gyles Marrett said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Gyles Marrett said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Gyles Marrett said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Wisconsin state supreme court refuses to hear case.

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Is this a way the state can prevent it from getting to the Supreme Court?

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Yes. No case for them to review. Why I questioned the use of original jurisdiction to file it in the Wisconsin state supreme court. If they don't hear, no recourse.

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So basically this is a strategy states could use to prevent Trump from ever even getting a chance in the Supreme Court?

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There are other cases in SCOTUS but the entire issue here is to deny Biden the 270 EC votes to get to a contingent election. Need more than one state that can't certify in time and simply having an open court case is not enough to prevent certification from happening, barring action by the state legislatures which don't look likely at this point.

Looking bleak.

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It's not over, but it's getting close if something doesn't break Trump's way soon.

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Yep. Looks like you can cheat all you want as long as you drag your D long enough to slow the process where the courts time runs out.

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Posted this in another thread, I think it sets up nicely for trump in 2024:

There is some very good news to all this IF we hold the senate... Biden will blow it during the next 4 years by not being progressive enough for the dems. Or very possibly, he will completely lose all of his marbles and they would move in Kamala... The repercussions of which would be catastrophic to the Dems chance of beating trump in 2024...

You know more likely than not we will probably take back the house and gain in the senate in the midterms, as happens for each incumbent . Then trump will be in the on deck circle again with a house and a senate at his disposal just like in 2016... It will be Epic when he gets to push in another 1-2 SCOTUS picks lol...

With what went in this election and the Vaccine coming out, I do not foresee poll watchers having to social distance or be banned for some meaningless excuse from watching signature verifications in 2024... It's going to be a lot harder to steal in 2024 and I expect the mail in numbers to drop off drastically. There's going to be poll watchers on top of poll watchers in 2024 covering front and back doors and I'd donate whatever I have to pay to fly them out there. But who knows they could have another way to cheat up their sleeves.. We just have to have eyes and ears everywhere.. Also we Have to push for election reform, it's a must... Everyone must and should be required to have an ID or social attached to the ballot. If you don't want your social attached to a mailed in ballot then don't vote by mail period. Anything less is unacceptable

If not for COVID, there's no question trump would have been re-elected.. hopefully operation warp speed along with Trump will get the credit they deserve when the virus is obsolete... American will swing trumps way again, he's not going anywhere..

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There is no good news in this and nothing sets up well for Trump or anybody else with a R after their name if this is allowed to stand. We have clear and obvious fraud, including video evidence and sworn testimony from eyewitnesses who were there watching it happen. If nobody goes to jail and the cheater is allowed to take office, they will absolutely cheat harder next time and make sure they get the house, senate, and presidency.

And anybody who thinks Biden is going to be the president 4 years from now is kidding themselves. Biden is going to be the president for 2 years at most, and likely less than a year. He can't keep his words straight as it is, and I am sure he is on the best of the best drugs to keep his attention focused. As he develops a tolerance to those drugs, the benefits will decline and he is going to be too incoherent to hide it before long. He already can barely make it through a carefully scripted interview where he has a teleprompter to remind him what his answers are supposed to be.