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Seems legit.

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The percentage gains are a little fishy but the graph is misleading using raw votes as the scale. Of course major cities were going to have substantially more raw votes than other counties.

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The scale is raw increase in votes

ClutchCityAg said:

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EagleAg19 said:

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barnyard1996 said:

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yukmonkey said:

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Seems legit.

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The percentage gains are a little fishy but the graph is misleading using raw votes as the scale. Of course major cities were going to have substantially more raw votes than other counties.

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The scale is raw increase in votes

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That's what I was pointing out. Comparing raw vote gains between unequally sized counties to prove irregularities is the wrong way to look at it.

Perhaps I underestimate the stupidity of govt employees, but no one tasked with coding the tabulation software could have made such a mistake. It could potentially be called an error if tabulation mistakes were made in both directions, but not in one direction.

ClutchCityAg said:

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Seems legit.

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The percentage gains are a little fishy but the graph is misleading using raw votes as the scale. Of course major cities were going to have substantially more raw votes than other counties.

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The scale is raw increase in votes

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i think we would need to look at the % of votes from the counties of the large cities and then look at that increase. That appears the only way to make them all fit in the same scenario.

So if Biden, for example, got 20 out of his 200 votes in a state and Hillary got 9 out of her 100 votes in the state (takes into the account of an increased voter pool for the year), you could look at the change from 16 to 20, or Hillary's 9% versus Biden's 10%.

That could highlight some abnormalities if you took an average of all of the major cities per year.

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That would be, on the surface, a nonpartisan accusation of fraud, right?

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Pretty sure this referring to the Antrim Co "software glitch" deal.

They definitely need to be looking into the records of the other counties (I've seen it reported 30-40 others) which use the same software, but until there is some indication it's not an isolated deal I wouldn't get my hopes up.

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I also spoke by phone to one GOP poll challenger who asked to remain anonymous and told me the election officials at the convention center are not letting Republican poll challengers remain in the room where absentee ballots are being counted, saying there's "too many" of them. Asked how many people were in these rooms, the officials in charge could not say, according to this person, who added that the rooms in question are enormous, the size of a football field (remember this is at the convention center, where the Detroit auto show is held).
After kicking out Republican poll challengers, election officials began covering up the windows of the counting rooms with cardboard to block the view of Republican observers. "It was pretty chaotic," the poll challenger said.

News reports are starting to reflect the chaos at the convention center. The Detroit Free Press reported Thursday morning that a lawyer, Jessica Connarn, who was working as a Republic poll challenger, filed an affidavit saying she was told by someone counting absentee ballots that workers in Detroit were "changing the dates the ballots were received" so they would be considered valid.

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https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/05/reports-of-election-fraud-keep-piling-up-in-michigan-whats-going-on/

Good article and The Federalist isn't some rag paper either.

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That would be, on the surface, a nonpartisan accusation of fraud, right?

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Per Wikipedia, Trey is a Republican. But I think the statement still has merit.

Yes I used Wikipedia.

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Pretty sure this referring to the Antrim Co "software glitch" deal.

They definitely need to be looking into the records of the other counties (I've seen it reported 30-40 others) which use the same software, but until there is some indication it's not an isolated deal I wouldn't get my hopes up.

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You also need to look to see if that software is used by counties/districts in any other states.

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They're on the roles, but did they "vote"? That's the question.

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They're also on the rolls. But good point. All of these twitter links and talk of finding registered dead people. Even if someone did submit a vote for a dead person, it has to be validated by two bi partisan counters (at least). None of these links/articles state that their vote was actually tallied. I have two family members in other states that work on this election counting votes. I guarantee they'd scream holy heck if they thought fraud was afoot. But maybe the fraud just happens to be in what ended up being the battleground states.

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How does a ballot counter know if the person is dead or not?

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Do you really not know how ballots are verified? Data including, signatures, SSN and DL data is used for verification with voter rolls. Now, if a person dies prior to the election and someone else receives their ballot, they would have to know their ID information and their signature would have to match. I will concede that this may be possible, but certainly not on a premeditated scale many claim are happening. I will also concede many states do allow votes to be counted if a person dies after they submitted their ballot. That's true whether they are Democrat or Republican.
And not that I should have to state this, I have voted straight R ticket every year, minus this one, since I was of legal age. I don't like Biden, but like Trump less. I do want the R's to keep the Senate and hopefully gain in the House.

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They're on the roles, but did they "vote"? That's the question.

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They're also on the rolls. But good point. All of these twitter links and talk of finding registered dead people. Even if someone did submit a vote for a dead person, it has to be validated by two bi partisan counters (at least). None of these links/articles state that their vote was actually tallied. I have two family members in other states that work on this election counting votes. I guarantee they'd scream holy heck if they thought fraud was afoot. But maybe the fraud just happens to be in what ended up being the battleground states.

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How does a ballot counter know if the person is dead or not?

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Do you really not know how ballots are verified? Data including, signatures, SSN and DL data is used for verification with voter rolls. Now, if a person dies prior to the election and someone else receives their ballot, they would have to know their ID information and their signature would have to match. I will concede that this may be possible, but certainly not on a premeditated scale many claim are happening. I will also concede many states do allow votes to be counted if a person dies after they submitted their ballot. That's true whether they are Democrat or Republican.
And not that I should have to state this, I have voted straight R ticket every year, minus this one, since I was of legal age. I don't like Biden, but like Trump less. I do want the R's to keep the Senate and hopefully gain in the House.

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Wait...you think they are checking the SSN, DL and sig on every mail ballot before counting it. Clearly they are not doing that. Have you seen the videos inside the counting rooms?

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They're on the roles, but did they "vote"? That's the question.

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They're also on the rolls. But good point. All of these twitter links and talk of finding registered dead people. Even if someone did submit a vote for a dead person, it has to be validated by two bi partisan counters (at least). None of these links/articles state that their vote was actually tallied. I have two family members in other states that work on this election counting votes. I guarantee they'd scream holy heck if they thought fraud was afoot. But maybe the fraud just happens to be in what ended up being the battleground states.

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How does a ballot counter know if the person is dead or not?

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Do you really not know how ballots are verified? Data including, signatures, SSN and DL data is used for verification with voter rolls. Now, if a person dies prior to the election and someone else receives their ballot, they would have to know their ID information and their signature would have to match. I will concede that this may be possible, but certainly not on a premeditated scale many claim are happening. I will also concede many states do allow votes to be counted if a person dies after they submitted their ballot. That's true whether they are Democrat or Republican.
And not that I should have to state this, I have voted straight R ticket every year, minus this one, since I was of legal age. I don't like Biden, but like Trump less. I do want the R's to keep the Senate and hopefully gain in the House.

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People would be a lot more open to listening to you if you didn't speak to them like they're idiots.

I could be wrong, but I believe the counters are simply checking against the voter registry. They do not know if the voter registry is incorrect.

Clearly political betting isn't always a great predictor but...Bovada this morning had a prop up "will fox and cnn call a winner by 11:59pm Saturday?"

"Yes" was -700 when I first saw it this morning.

"Yes" is now -115 even with "No".

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I am literally telling you how I interpret it.

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Major Cities Comparison of Biden 2020 vs Hilary's 2016 vote total, none of which include the boogeyman states of MI/WI/PA/GA:

Dallas +136K
Houston +204K
LA +22K
Seattle +167K
Denver +26K
Cleveland +4K
New Orleans +14K
Austin +124K
Miami -7K
Phoenix +270K
Nashville +49K
Memphis +36K

Should I continue?

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Holy hell. Don't do them individually. How many times do I have to say that.

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I have a hunch if I add up all of those numbers...it isn't going to help your case....

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So do it? I already said I am not preaching that tweet as fact. So I'm not making a case for anything. I am just helping this thread interpret what I think the tweet means.

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Sure thing. So in the above listed cities - Biden received 845K more votes from that chunk of major cities compared to Hillary.

and to qualify this. I am a TRUMP voter from Harris county. I'm just also not a moron.

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No but you're an ass.

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Mittens weighs in...

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*****s like Mitt and his ilk, plus the MSM, have put Trump's re-election bid in jeopardy for years. Who needs enemies when you've got friends like Mittens?

Election official in GA just said the 8,000 military ballots are the ones outstanding that have not been received. They are not in possession of them and they have to arrive today with a Nov 3rd postmark.

ffs, poof.

This guys loses some credibility because of his bad language, but this article has a ton of circumstantial evidence for fraud. No smoking gun, but smoke you can see from outer space.

https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/05/the-2020-election-****ery-is-afoot/

Edit- type in f-ckery

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Election official in GA just said the 8,000 military ballots are the ones outstanding that have not been received. They are not in possession of them and they have to arrive today with a Nov 3rd postmark.

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I bet they all just got lost in the mail........No shenanigans! Just an innocent mishap!

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This is nonsense. The repubs believe they have been cheated and will show up in droves.

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Yup. Two votes coming from the Kool household. And I'd imagine there will be increased scrutiny this time.

barnyard1996 said:

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Election official in GA just said the 8,000 military ballots are the ones outstanding that have not been received. They are not in possession of them and they have to arrive today with a Nov 3rd postmark.

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That has never been clear to me, whether they had reason to believe those ballots were actually en route or just might be sent in.

I'd never understood how they would know the ballots were going to be sent in without having possession of them, so that they were just possibles makes sense, unfortunately.

I really wanted Trump to win GA for the optics, but unless the recount changes things much more favorably for Trump than recounts typically change things, not having that extra bump from the military absentee ballots makes it a lot less likely to get the flip.

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This is nonsense. The repubs believe they have been cheated and will show up in droves.

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Yep. GOP will be heavy favorites in both races because of turnout.

barnyard1996 said:

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Election official in GA just said the 8,000 military ballots are the ones outstanding that have not been received. They are not in possession of them and they have to arrive today with a Nov 3rd postmark.

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The military ballots are gonna be about 60% Trump, 35% Biden, 5% Jojo.

Margin of error 5%.