62strat said:

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hbtheduce said:

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62strat said:

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96ags said:

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Mr Gigem said:

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Shouldn't we allow everyone to vote however they can?

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No, absolutely not. I have never understood this logic.

Voting was stupidly easy even before this year. I'm 45 years old and I have never taken more than 20 minutes to cast a ballot in any election.

If someone is unwilling to spend 20 minutes voting in person, do you really trust them to be an informed voter? I don't, and I damn sure don't want uninformed people voting.

Voting is a civic duty. It should require some effort.

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I spent several hours reading about each measure on my ballot and my local candidates who were running.. in the comfort of my own home. Why can I not simply fill out my scantron at home as well, then drop it off at the police station/town hall, etc?

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You home might be comfortable. Another person's home might be one with political pressure/intimidation being used by a loved one that can MAKE SURE you vote for the ~right~ person.

Its a trash system for mental midgets.

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If your loved one might sway your vote and you feel uncomfortable about that, then don't sign up for mail in, and go in person

It's not rocket science. you do what you want, but IMO, for me, mail in is far superior.

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How about your loved one signing up for you and forcing you to vote? You gonna keep that ballot and invalidate it? What if they threaten you? What if they bribe you? Whole bunch of crimes you can't trace (by design), because a "legal" ballot shows up.

You have chosen to ignore the fact VBM complete erases protections we have set up at polling stations. You don't understand political science much less rocket science.

Americans are going to have to decide which direction this country is going to go. Do we actually stand up and fight this corruption and cheating? Or just put our heads down.

62strat said:

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hbtheduce said:

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62strat said:

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96ags said:

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Mr Gigem said:

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Shouldn't we allow everyone to vote however they can?

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No, absolutely not. I have never understood this logic.

Voting was stupidly easy even before this year. I'm 45 years old and I have never taken more than 20 minutes to cast a ballot in any election.

If someone is unwilling to spend 20 minutes voting in person, do you really trust them to be an informed voter? I don't, and I damn sure don't want uninformed people voting.

Voting is a civic duty. It should require some effort.

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I spent several hours reading about each measure on my ballot and my local candidates who were running.. in the comfort of my own home. Why can I not simply fill out my scantron at home as well, then drop it off at the police station/town hall, etc?

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You home might be comfortable. Another person's home might be one with political pressure/intimidation being used by a loved one that can MAKE SURE you vote for the ~right~ person.

Its a trash system for mental midgets.

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If your loved one might sway your vote and you feel uncomfortable about that, then don't sign up for mail in, and go in person

It's not rocket science. you do what you want, but IMO, for me, mail in is far superior.

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It may work in your county. There are states where it works that have practiced at it for years.

Where it doesn't work is a hasty implementation with few controls and no testing or custodial standards and states allowing judges to change all sorts of long established counting rules and cutoff times. That is what happened this year and it has destroyed the faith in this election.

hedge said:

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I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH BULL**** IN MY LIFE. THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO HELL FASTER THAN A COMMUNIST AND FRANKLY WE DESERVE IT

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take a valium bro

ABATTBQ11 said:

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Mr Gigem said:

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96ags said:

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Mr Gigem said:

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Shouldn't we allow everyone to vote however they can?

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No, absolutely not. I have never understood this logic.

Voting was stupidly easy even before this year. I'm 45 years old and I have never taken more than 20 minutes to cast a ballot in any election.

If someone is unwilling to spend 20 minutes voting in person, do you really trust them to be an informed voter? I don't, and I damn sure don't want uninformed people voting.

Voting is a civic duty. It should require some effort.

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I absolutely agree with you here. I went in person to vote. Took me maybe 10 minutes. But there should be a way to provide more access while still being able to regulate properly

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Voting isn't a privilege or civic duty, it's a right. There should be no burden to exercise that right beyond identity verification to protect the voting rights of others by ensuring a fair and secure electoral process. Imagine the uproar if someone said owning a gun should require some effort.

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It does. You have to obtain the gun somehow.

Jet Black said:

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Every citizen should have an opportunity to vote but it cannot be by mail. It has to be controlled. When you throw your ballot in the mailbox it's out of your hands. Multiple people handle it and there no telling what can happen to it.

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You don't drop the filled ballot out in your mailbox.

You drop it off at one of a few very specific lock boxes in your area, either police station or town hall, etc. that is monitored.

A little video on the process.

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2020/10/01/colorado-mail-in-ballot-absentee-voting-how-state-perfected-system/3572176001/

PJYoung said:

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Trump lead down to 276,981 with 87% reporting in Pennsylvania

It was close to 700,000 at 5am this morning.

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260,192 87% still

62strat said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Mail in voting should not be allowed. There is no way i will ever trust that vote. It is too easy to cheat in ways that cannot be found (see san antonio lady from veritas). When combined with legal vote harvesting, it really creates potential problems.

Absentee, over 65, disabled...sure.


But, you should show up to vote. 3 weeks of 7am to 7pm early voting plus election day is enough. No curbside voting. Get off your ass and vote.

Why is this so difficult?

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I've mailed in my vote for almost 10 years..

I question why it's not standard.. my county seems to have it figured out pretty well.

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I know at least one person in LA and one in NYC that use their old home address to register and vote by mail every election to try to turn Texas Blue.

Maybe we should pitch in an buy a house in PA for Texags voters.

62strat said:

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Jet Black said:

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Every citizen should have an opportunity to vote but it cannot be by mail. It has to be controlled. When you throw your ballot in the mailbox it's out of your hands. Multiple people handle it and there no telling what can happen to it.

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You don't drop the filled ballot out in your mailbox.

You drop it off at one of a few very specific lock boxes in your area, either police station or town hall, etc. that is monitored.

A little video on the process.

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2020/10/01/colorado-mail-in-ballot-absentee-voting-how-state-perfected-system/3572176001/

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Yep, in PA this year, you could do this 10,000 more times. Are you dense?

And I'm not trying to troll. I'm honestly trying to understand the process better and figure out how to make it fair for everyone. I'm admittedly pretty new to all of this

FireAg said:

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I think this election is the first major step down the path of a national divorce...

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How would we divorce? Build a wall around cities?

Shamwowed said:

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hedge said:

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I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH BULL**** IN MY LIFE. THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO HELL FASTER THAN A COMMUNIST AND FRANKLY WE DESERVE IT

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take a valium bro

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I've always thought that somebody that compares us to one of these dog**** countries should be required to go live in one for a few years.

all the rabid Biden fans hoping to hear their hero declare victory last night just happen to be Jeep enthusiasts?

or maybe Wilmington DE, a suburb of Philly, is the Jeep capital of Delaware?

PJYoung said:

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Shamwowed said:

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hedge said:

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I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH BULL**** IN MY LIFE. THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO HELL FASTER THAN A COMMUNIST AND FRANKLY WE DESERVE IT

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take a valium bro

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I've always thought that somebody that compares us to one of these dog**** countries should be required to go live in one for a few years.

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You're gonna get your wish

Here come the GOP capitulators.

FireAg said:

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I think this election is the first major step down the path of a national divorce...

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Promise?

To answer a previous posters question, not only should you not be allowed to vote in any way you want, but most people shouldn't be able to vote in general. Universal suffrage is and always has been a meme to expand to voting base so political parties can get elected. The tories did it under Disraeli in the UK, Reps and Dems have done the same here. It's an awesome strategy for an election until you realize the all the other party has to do is promise more gibs.

this crying about mail in voting is as dumb as the crying about needing to abolish the electoral college

An observation.....

Is Chris Coons the only elected democrat representative that has been on Fox News? By doing this.....he is the only one providing the talking points.

Sorry to ask but tied up in meetings all day and heading to business dinner. Trump has lost I take it?

FireAg said:

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I think this election is the first major step down the path of a national divorce...

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And how is that going to work geographically? Are we going to have West America, Mid America, and East America?

Senate race ...

It will be either 51 or 52 for GOP, right?

48 done

Add:
NC
GA1
AK

Maybe add:
GA2

daggertx said:

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62strat said:

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Jet Black said:

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Every citizen should have an opportunity to vote but it cannot be by mail. It has to be controlled. When you throw your ballot in the mailbox it's out of your hands. Multiple people handle it and there no telling what can happen to it.

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You don't drop the filled ballot out in your mailbox.

You drop it off at one of a few very specific lock boxes in your area, either police station or town hall, etc. that is monitored.

A little video on the process.

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2020/10/01/colorado-mail-in-ballot-absentee-voting-how-state-perfected-system/3572176001/

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Yep, in PA this year, you could do this 10,000 more times. Are you dense?

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I'm not in PA, are you dense?

As I said, CO has done this for like 8 years, and from what I read, it's damn good system.

"With years of experience under its belt and a willingness to tweak its voting system to be responsive to voter needs, Colorado is considered the "gold standard" for election systems, said Secretary of State Jena Griswold."
I'm not saying every state that does mail in has it right.. and it's not the voter's responsibility to make it right, it's the government's.

thirdcoast said:

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1) Ballots with no name and no address are being cast for Biden.
2) Ballots with with registration dates before birth dates are being cast for Biden.

That is just the sloppy cheating that was caught and still couldn't be disqualified.

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They were noted and challenged.

There's a transparent process and it's being followed. You guys have no faith in our system. Sad.

Jet Black said:

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Every citizen should have an opportunity to vote but it cannot be by mail. It has to be controlled. When you throw your ballot in the mailbox it's out of your hands. Multiple people handle it and there no telling what can happen to it.

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This is not a viable long term solution. This country is trending towards collapse and the ones doing it are the most disproportionately removed from the consequences of such an outcome. You have to tie voting rights back to the most able and invested in some capacity. If we don't, our softness as a society will lead to war and out of it arise Chinese invasio or a marxist government.

Voting can't be "feel" based any longer. This much is becoming very apparent. Instead we have to view voting as essentially a form of war. We need to start rethinking conservative ideology around what's actually in the balance.

I hope so. Each side hates each other equally, so don't see why an accord could not be made.

Down to 57k in Georgia

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Senate race ...

It will be either 51 or 52 for GOP, right?

48 done

Add:
NC
GA1
AK

Maybe add:
GA2

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Yes and it's the best news all day.

Horn_in_Aggieland said:

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FireAg said:

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I think this election is the first major step down the path of a national divorce...

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And how is that going to work geographically? Are we going to have West America, Mid America, and East America?

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Yup it's cities vs rural.

Ain't gonna happened BUILD A WALL AROUND CITIES!

>crying about a duly established method of deciding an election by the founders with a strong basis in political and philosophical theory
>crying about exploiting a virus to quadruple the voting base to win an election

pls go away