aTmAg said:

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aezmvp said:

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That's a good sign. If they can make these correctly it will be a nice boon to general aviation.

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Do they expect to sell production models of this aircraft?

Or is this supposed to be a step towards a larger Concorde type aircraft?


I can't imagine there is a market for these single pilot ones at all.

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This is a 1/3 mock up of what they plan to build.

aTmAg said:

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Rex Racer said:

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aTmAg said:

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aezmvp said:

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That's a good sign. If they can make these correctly it will be a nice boon to general aviation.

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Do they expect to sell production models of this aircraft?

Or is this supposed to be a step towards a larger Concorde type aircraft?


I can't imagine there is a market for these single pilot ones at all.

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Larger, 80 passenger aircraft.

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Is it supposed to be quiet?

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I doubt it. But more details can be found here.

But Boom claims their aircraft will meet or exceed current noise regulations for subsonic aircraft, particularly during takeoff and landing which were major noise concerns with Concorde.

Rex Racer said:

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aTmAg said:

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Rex Racer said:

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aTmAg said:

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aezmvp said:

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That's a good sign. If they can make these correctly it will be a nice boon to general aviation.

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Do they expect to sell production models of this aircraft?

Or is this supposed to be a step towards a larger Concorde type aircraft?


I can't imagine there is a market for these single pilot ones at all.

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Larger, 80 passenger aircraft.

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Is it supposed to be quiet?

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I doubt it. But more details can be found here.

But Boom claims their aircraft will meet or exceed current noise regulations for subsonic aircraft, particularly during takeoff and landing which were major noise concerns with Concorde.

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I'm pretty sure that supersonic travel is forbidden over CONUS except by the military in certain corridors. The entire reason for the X-59 is to see if they can get the sonic booms to be tolerable over cities.

New Shepard launch was scrubbed. Weather and, after an hour and a half, an avionics issue to push them past the window.

aTmAg said:

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Rex Racer said:

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aTmAg said:

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Rex Racer said:

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aTmAg said:

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aezmvp said:

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That's a good sign. If they can make these correctly it will be a nice boon to general aviation.

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Do they expect to sell production models of this aircraft?

Or is this supposed to be a step towards a larger Concorde type aircraft?


I can't imagine there is a market for these single pilot ones at all.

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Larger, 80 passenger aircraft.

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Is it supposed to be quiet?

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I doubt it. But more details can be found here.

But Boom claims their aircraft will meet or exceed current noise regulations for subsonic aircraft, particularly during takeoff and landing which were major noise concerns with Concorde.

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I'm pretty sure that supersonic travel is forbidden over CONUS except by the military in certain corridors. The entire reason for the X-59 is to see if they can get the sonic booms to be tolerable over cities.

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Correct, there is supposed to be a significant reduction in the boom noise profile. Not sure how they manage that, guessing changing how the air flows to minimize or redirect it. We'll see.

Official press release for IM-2 including launch window opening.

https://www.intuitivemachines.com/post/intuitive-machines-delivers-second-lunar-mission-lander-to-cape-canaveral-florida

And a cool sci-fi video for viewing pleasure.

aezmvp said:

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aTmAg said:

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Rex Racer said:

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aTmAg said:

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Rex Racer said:

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aTmAg said:

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aezmvp said:

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That's a good sign. If they can make these correctly it will be a nice boon to general aviation.

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Do they expect to sell production models of this aircraft?

Or is this supposed to be a step towards a larger Concorde type aircraft?


I can't imagine there is a market for these single pilot ones at all.

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Larger, 80 passenger aircraft.

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Is it supposed to be quiet?

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I doubt it. But more details can be found here.

But Boom claims their aircraft will meet or exceed current noise regulations for subsonic aircraft, particularly during takeoff and landing which were major noise concerns with Concorde.

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I'm pretty sure that supersonic travel is forbidden over CONUS except by the military in certain corridors. The entire reason for the X-59 is to see if they can get the sonic booms to be tolerable over cities.

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Correct, there is supposed to be a significant reduction in the boom noise profile. Not sure how they manage that, guessing changing how the air flows to minimize or redirect it. We'll see.

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I tried to find scenes from "Man in the High Castle" where they had something similar but couldn't remember specifics to google

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Official press release for IM-2 including launch window opening.

https://www.intuitivemachines.com/post/intuitive-machines-delivers-second-lunar-mission-lander-to-cape-canaveral-florida

And a cool sci-fi video for viewing pleasure.

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Good luck! Looks like a water heater with a rocket attached. lol

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NASAg03 said:

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Official press release for IM-2 including launch window opening.

https://www.intuitivemachines.com/post/intuitive-machines-delivers-second-lunar-mission-lander-to-cape-canaveral-florida

And a cool sci-fi video for viewing pleasure.

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Good luck! Looks like a water heater with a rocket attached. lol

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When you go to the Space Center Houston and look at some of the earliest orbiters, you realize they seem to be little more than a tin can.

I'm curious and by no means trying to be snarky, but that lander looks to have a high CG. I know the shape is determined in large part by what you are hitching a ride in, but I would have though a wide base would be a design characteristic so that if you come down off vertical the base could help you stay upright. The design looks like it would wobble (especially in low gravity) and want to topple if you are landing off vertical.

Why not widen the base out?

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I'm curious and by no means trying to be snarky, but that lander looks to have a high CG. I know the shape is determined in large part by what you are hitching a ride in, but I would have though a wide base would be a design characteristic so that if you come down off vertical the base could help you stay upright. The design looks like it would wobble (especially in low gravity) and want to topple if you are landing off vertical.

Why not widen the base out?

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It's a similar situation as the SpaceX booster, and landing it. A long vehicle with a large offset between the main engine(s) and the CG means your engine gimbal can provide a lot more vehicle control with less range of motion. Without this, you will need additional high-force thrusters, which typically require multiple engines. But that increases mass due to more redundance parts and plumbing, and cost as well when you're building and testing more complex. And you have to ensure that all three engines can be controlled well enough for precision vehicle control.

There are other benefits with a tall vehicle: larger lunar surface offset for payloads and comms systems.

But we are evaluating other vehicle layouts for our 500kg payload Nova-D lander, especially for payloads that will be mounted on top of the lander and need to be removed (LTV). Height is definitely not your friend for such a mission.

The @POTUS has asked @SpaceX to bring home the 2 astronauts stranded on the @Space_Station as soon as possible. We will do so.

Terrible that the Biden administration left them there so long.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) January 28, 2025

Williams and Wilmore are currently scheduled to return on Crew-9 in late March/early April. So "as soon as possible" would be only a matter of weeks earlier, at most. https://t.co/WiubFND29Q

— Jeff Foust (@jeff_foust) January 28, 2025

I mean it's a little odd they are still up there. But yeah at this point it seems like the danger is pretty low, and the risk of an expedited dragon doesn't really outweigh the benefits. Unless they can get a dragon there in February, I don't see the point.

Really odd tweet. Hopefully just Ketamine Elon talking.

It could be one of them is having some health issues too

This is perplexing since SpaceX already is bringing them home. They are part of Crew-9 and will come back on Crew Dragon Freedom, already docked at ISS, as soon as SpX sends up Crew-10, which is waiting for the new Crew Dragon capsule to be ready. https://t.co/2tttkD3V8I

— Marcia Smith (@SpcPlcyOnline) January 28, 2025

Their ride home, SpaceX's Crew Dragon Freedom, is attached to the ISS right now. They can come back anytime, but they are waiting for their Crew-10 replacements.

Butch and Suni are due to return with NASA's Nick Hague and Roscosmos's Aleksandr Gorbunov once Crew-10 is aboard.

That was supposed to happen in February, but Crew-10's launch was delayed because SpaceX is building a new Crew Dragon capsule and it's not ready yet. Crew-10's launch was pushed from February to no earlier than late March because of that delay.

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I mean it's a little odd they are still up there. But yeah at this point it seems like the danger is pretty low, and the risk of an expedited dragon doesn't really outweigh the benefits. Unless they can get a dragon there in February, I don't see the point.

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The stranded crew are likely helping with tasks that were assigned to the other Crew9 members that did not fly in order to have two seats available on the way home. This would be wasted money to send up a dragon to fly two home half full and we would lose research. This is stupid and posturing.

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It could be one of them is having some health issues too

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If one was having health issues they would fly home on Crew9.

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Decay said:

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I mean it's a little odd they are still up there. But yeah at this point it seems like the danger is pretty low, and the risk of an expedited dragon doesn't really outweigh the benefits. Unless they can get a dragon there in February, I don't see the point.

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The stranded crew are likely helping with tasks that were assigned to the other Crew9 members that did not fly in order to have two seats available on the way home. This would be wasted money to send up a dragon to fly two home half full and we would lose research. This is stupid and posturing.

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A new admin doing things for show isn't exactly new. And I disagree that it's flat out wrong. There's a ton of logistics to keep ISS going and I don't know what sort of strain this puts on the operation.

But it's absolutely politics that got them stranded in the first place. Starliner walked a fine line staying operational and in the end fell down. If we're going to give Boeing those opportunities then criticizing SpaceX for getting one of them (one that is more likely to actually succeed) seems at a minimum reasonable, and you could say incredibly overdue.

This isn't like SLS funding either. Remember, SpaceX does this stuff cheaper than anyone else.

As I understand it, the missions are crew specific. Someone I talked to said they were essentially organizing and doing inventory.

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As I understand it, the missions are crew specific. Someone I talked to said they were essentially organizing and doing inventory.

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Sunita just did a space walk which I would not qualify as organizing and doing inventory.

Bondag said:

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As I understand it, the missions are crew specific. Someone I talked to said they were essentially organizing and doing inventory.

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That is incorrect. They bumped two astronauts off of the Crew 9 mission roster so that Sunni and Butch would simply be absorbed into that crew.

I think the typical Crew is 3 or 4 astronauts and typical staffing level of the station is 7.

They are not "stranded" and never were. Even when the Starliner vehicle was in question it was still Sunni and Butch's primary ride home in the event of an emergency or evacuation. Even though the vehicle had questions about it, it was considered safer for those two to ride home in that vehicle than to ride, essentially as cargo, in Dragon. Remember everyone has a space suit that is specific to them AND specific to the vehicle they are set to fly in. That way, if it is necessary they can plug into life support systems on board that craft during reentry. A typical hatch closing and leak test procedure can take an hour or more. I watched the hatch closeout on the Crew Demo1 flight several years ago. It was long and boring as heck. A single piece of dust or something prevented a perfect seal and they had to re-open the hatch, wipe it with a clean lint free cloth, then re-close and monitor as the pressures Dragon pressure was reduced and held steady. IF they station were damaged in a manner that required immediate evacuation (damaged such that life support could not be sustained) they would have to immediately move to their respective vehicles, close the hatches, and get away. There could be a pretty good chance they they do not have a perfect seal and being plugged directly into their ships systems would be the most advantageous move.

The "victims" of this whole ordeal are the two SpaceX NASA crew that were bumped of of the Crew9 mission and are not getting their turn in space.

https://viewer.mars.asu.edu/planetview/inst/moc/E1000462#T=2&P=E1000462

What you make of these straight lines found on Mars?

Is this legit?

Looks suspicious but we have found a lot of 'interesting' stuff that the geologists/scientists have dismissed.

Next flight NET Feb 24:

SpaceX has applied to the FCC for a Starship test flight 8 communications license starting on February 24th 2025 meaning Starship test flight 8 launch will be no earlier than 2/24/25.https://t.co/YmgN5oLn7d pic.twitter.com/Ea7L6pOFWm

— Starship Gazer (@StarshipGazer) January 31, 2025

Their goal I believe is 25 flights this year, so they will need to start hitting 2/month to get there pretty quickly.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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https://viewer.mars.asu.edu/planetview/inst/moc/E1000462#T=2&P=E1000462

What you make of these straight lines found on Mars?

Is this legit?

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Nothing big… just some guy on a bulldozer doing a little dirt work

Overly enhanced images.

Computers trying to fill in the blanks

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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https://viewer.mars.asu.edu/planetview/inst/moc/E1000462#T=2&P=E1000462

What you make of these straight lines found on Mars?

Is this legit?

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Valentine Michael Smith's summer home.

It's an actual image so that part is "legit".

An entire planet full of random terrain is going to have some patterns come out. This isn't the moon with no atmosphere so you're getting wind and once upon a time water eroding and moving things.

I think it's a nonsensical leap to assume it's an intentionally built structure.

https://coub.com/view/286e09

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It's an actual image so that part is "legit".

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I mean, the first image is the actual image. The 2nd picture is a GIF altered in some way by UFOBlogger.com, says so on the lower left hand corner; hence my comment about it being a computer enhanced image.


I mean, I know nothing of weight/abilities to get these things to Mars, but get some stuff there that can take FLiR, LiDAR, IR, etc etc (different spectral imagery) and magnetometry (looking for ferric objects) and fly over that thing again - hell we can use sub-bottom profiling for marine based surveys to detect objects/things under the "sea" bed, gotta imagine that someone is smart enough to figure out how to get that to work via low altitude aircraft and non-aquatic systems.

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Looks suspicious but we have found a lot of 'interesting' stuff that the geologists/scientists have dismissed.

Next flight NET Feb 24:

SpaceX has applied to the FCC for a Starship test flight 8 communications license starting on February 24th 2025 meaning Starship test flight 8 launch will be no earlier than 2/24/25.https://t.co/YmgN5oLn7d pic.twitter.com/Ea7L6pOFWm

— Starship Gazer (@StarshipGazer) January 31, 2025

Their goal I believe is 25 flights this year, so they will need to start hitting 2/month to get there pretty quickly.

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Ha that was Elon's goal. Everybody else seems to be guessing 8-12 but I'll go with 14!

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Decay said:

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It's an actual image so that part is "legit".

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I mean, the first image is the actual image. The 2nd picture is a GIF altered in some way by UFOBlogger.com, says so on the lower left hand corner; hence my comment about it being a computer enhanced image.

I mean, I know nothing of weight/abilities to get these things to Mars, but get some stuff there that can take FLiR, LiDAR, IR, etc etc (different spectral imagery) and magnetometry (looking for ferric objects) and fly over that thing again - hell we can use sub-bottom profiling for marine based surveys to detect objects/things under the "sea" bed, gotta imagine that someone is smart enough to figure out how to get that to work via low altitude aircraft and non-aquatic systems.

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What do you make of the same image at: https://viewer.mars.asu.edu/planetview/inst/moc/E1000462#T=2&P=E1000462

You've got to zoom in a scroll up on it, but is this a raw image that ASU has on their site?

Can understand where the second photo is enhanced by the blog that posted it.

(Saw this being discussed on reddit and wanted to see what the braintrust here had to say)

Can't have it blow up in orbit if you want to get 2x per month in.