well you can't have aircraft dodging rocket debris. Even under a Trump adminABATTBQ11 said:TexAgs91 said:
Oh man... the FAA is going to be all over that
They might get a different directive from their new boss on Monday
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I guess I can understand that but then again these pieces aren't going to be falling for an extended period of time. Send that any pieces that survive reentry would be in the ocean in a matter of minutes.
Did the FAA not have a keep out zone underneath the ship for this phase of flight?
Did the FAA not have a keep out zone underneath the ship for this phase of flight?
Definitely not for that phase of flight.
Would expect an FAA mishap investigation for this btw, which should absolutely happen. Breaking up over the Caribbean causing issues for flights was not one of the failure scenarios in the license.
My response to an NBC person on X
bthotugigem05 said:
Definitely not for that phase of flight.
I dunno. It's still a critical phase of flight when it's still on the uphill climb. Especially for a highly experimental vehicle.
I do agree a mishap investigation is absolutely warranted.
If this is true. Would be bad on SpaceX.
I was actually more worried about something happening this time with catch than the first time. Seemed to be coming in a lot hotter to me. But that is going off of memory from last time.
I was actually more worried about something happening this time with catch than the first time. Seemed to be coming in a lot hotter to me. But that is going off of memory from last time.
Okay this might sound completely outlandish and ridiculous but I'm dead serious when I say this looks like a massive conversion error. more on this if we don't get any actual information ;
— TheSpaceEngineer (@mcrs987) January 16, 2025
But basically. Burn on the stream seems to start around 40.8 kilometers or so. Supposed to… https://t.co/shrBr8lmU7 pic.twitter.com/6qcgZI8hLn
Also whoops slight typo on the initial post. 0.6214 not 1.6214
— TheSpaceEngineer (@mcrs987) January 16, 2025
He's talking about the Blue Origin recovery/catch attempt. Scott Manly touched on it. Units on their screen chyron were in imperial but in the background audio picked up comments in metric.will25u said:
If this is true. Would be bad on SpaceX.
I was actually more worried about something happening this time with catch than the first time. Seemed to be coming in a lot hotter to me. But that is going off of memory from last time.
Maximus_Meridius said:
Ugh…FAA is about to throw the brakes on again…
As they should…debris raining down causing commercial flight to deviate in order to avoid collision? Hell yes they need to throw the brakes on…
Thankfully SpaceX will get the opportunity to learn from today and be better in the future, and it didn't cost any lives…
Blue Origin not SpaceX. That tweet is before Starship launch by about 3 hours. The faster landing attempt for the booster was by design/discussed by Musk several months ago.
— TheSpaceEngineer (@mcrs987) January 16, 2025
Kenneth_2003 said:
I guess I can understand that but then again these pieces aren't going to be falling for an extended period of time. Send that any pieces that survive reentry would be in the ocean in a matter of minutes.
Did the FAA not have a keep out zone underneath the ship for this phase of flight?
They had pre-planned debris zones that were activated as soon the explosion happened and aircraft in those zones were cleared out and nobody was let in until the debris was done falling
What are we looking at here?
what is this fund?Snake Farmer said:
Hope none of y'all sold that space x fund this week.
I doubt it did anything to SpaceX's valuation, anyone investing in it will be disciplined enough to know that and Elon already said improved hardware is ready to fly.
I'm thinking a CH4 leak caused a fire. Hopefully the investigation can be done quickly, looks like ATC is gradually reopening the airspace around the debris area.
I'm thinking a CH4 leak caused a fire. Hopefully the investigation can be done quickly, looks like ATC is gradually reopening the airspace around the debris area.
That's a weather radar. You can see the breakup and path of the debris. You can see it suddenly pop into frame at the one second mark
Does that look like fire in places where it shouldn't be? pic.twitter.com/BilbEvElMH
— Scott Manley (@DJSnM) January 16, 2025
Ah, got it. Thanks!
That green stripe that appears running from NW to SE on the radar midway through the clip is the debris trail from the explosion.Flying Crowbar said:
What are we looking at here?
Great day for a launch and catch.
Here's my launch video.
Here's my launch video.
will25u said:
If this is true. Would be bad on SpaceX.
I was actually more worried about something happening this time with catch than the first time. Seemed to be coming in a lot hotter to me. But that is going off of memory from last time.Okay this might sound completely outlandish and ridiculous but I'm dead serious when I say this looks like a massive conversion error. more on this if we don't get any actual information ;
— TheSpaceEngineer (@mcrs987) January 16, 2025
But basically. Burn on the stream seems to start around 40.8 kilometers or so. Supposed to… https://t.co/shrBr8lmU7 pic.twitter.com/6qcgZI8hLnAlso whoops slight typo on the initial post. 0.6214 not 1.6214
— TheSpaceEngineer (@mcrs987) January 16, 2025
But this is not starship it's New Glenn isn't it?
That would be Blue Origin.
If it was just a conversion error on a test vehicle that sucks and makes you reassess your quality controls but is a very easy fix.
I mean it sucks and it shouldn't happen but we are human and it does #mars European orbiter I think. Lunar had a similar but not the same issue with their Lidar leaving a cover on
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They've been testing this thing via software simulation for an extended period of time. I have to think that error would have been caught before the physical hardware was flying.
Without looking at the data, it probably did come in hotter. The last launch, they mentioned going with a steeper profile, however that one got diverted to the sea, so didn't really come in play. They probably kept with that same steeper profile and just didn't mention it since it was the same as last time.will25u said:
I was actually more worried about something happening this time with catch than the first time. Seemed to be coming in a lot hotter to me. But that is going off of memory from last time.
Starship Super Heavy Booster is already back in its launch mount
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) January 17, 2025
DXYZ. Destiny Tech 100 closed fund. Very volatile but has had nice gains over the last several months acting as somewhat of a proxy for the success or failure of SpaceX because about 37% of the fund is invested in SpaceX via private venture investments.FTAG 2000 said:what is this fund?Snake Farmer said:
Hope none of y'all sold that space x fund this week.
Tell that to the people whose flights are delayed.TexAgs91 said:
My response to an NBC person on X
Sold all of mine about a month ago. Looking like a real good decision.
Preliminary indication is that we had an oxygen/fuel leak in the cavity above the ship engine firewall that was large enough to build pressure in excess of the vent capacity.
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) January 17, 2025
Apart from obviously double-checking for leaks, we will add fire suppression to that volume and…
Yeah, I was hoping a good launch today would pop it back up to the 70s and was planning to sell if it did.MaxPower said:
Sold all of mine about a month ago. Looking like a real good decision.
Sure some flights were delayed. Flight delays happen everyday for as many reasons as there are flights. His point goes to how will the media cover this TEST flight. The media has had a very bad habit of focusing on the final milliseconds of these flights that end in explosions and completely ignoring the successes.torrid said:Tell that to the people whose flights are delayed.TexAgs91 said:
My response to an NBC person on X
IFT 1 -- Elon's biggest goal was "Please don't blow up on the launch tower!" They learned the flip staging maneuver wouldn't work. Media reports mission failure when the whole thing blew up.
IFT 2 -- Media focused on the ship blowing up in much the same spot as this one. Never mind the successful hot staging and boost back before the booster went boom.
IFT 3 -- Media focused on the ship going boom just before suborbital insertion on an otherwise nominal trajectory. Booster soft landed in the ocean.
IFT 4 -- Media declares it's a failure when they lost control of the ship after engine cutoff. Nevermind SpaceX wanted to see how it would handle in space and was attempting inflight maneuvering. Booster again, soft lands.
IFT 5 -- The little flap that did! The media says the ship blew up in the Indian Ocean. Oh yeah, they caught the booster. Kinda a big deal.
IFT 6 -- Oh look they must have gotten lucky they had to crash the booster in the Gulf! Not much media mention that oh their Indian Ocean landing was so freaking on point they filmed it from a remote buoy!
So some flights got delayed. Hey NBC, don't forget to mention that they again caught the booster and this was a radically redesigned TEST vehicle from any of the previous versions flown.
TexAgs91 said:well you can't have aircraft dodging rocket debris. Even under a Trump adminABATTBQ11 said:TexAgs91 said:
Oh man... the FAA is going to be all over that
They might get a different directive from their new boss on Monday
But at least they won't be weaponized and trying to screw them over to show how big their **** is. They'll get a fair, and hopefully expedited, shake.
MaxPower said:
Sold all of mine about a month ago. Looking like a real good decision.
Me too
Exactly
ABATTBQ11 said:TexAgs91 said:well you can't have aircraft dodging rocket debris. Even under a Trump adminABATTBQ11 said:TexAgs91 said:
Oh man... the FAA is going to be all over that
They might get a different directive from their new boss on Monday
But at least they won't be weaponized and trying to screw them over to show how big their **** is. They'll get a fair, and hopefully expedited, shake.
That's all we can hope for
Following the failed booster landing attempt this morning during the inaugural launch of New Glenn, the @FAANews announced the requirement of a mishap investigation by @blueorigin.
— Spaceflight Now (@SpaceflightNow) January 17, 2025
Statement: pic.twitter.com/VJDQMYOgO1
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