The Kraken said:Far side.boulderaggie said:
Dark side of the moon, too
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That is what i said, uh, meant to say. And pretty sure Gary Larson has the copyright on the Far Side.TexAgs91 said:The Kraken said:Far side.boulderaggie said:
Dark side of the moon, too
boulderaggie said:That is what i said, uh, meant to say. And pretty sure Gary Larson has the copyright on the Far Side.TexAgs91 said:The Kraken said:Far side.boulderaggie said:
Dark side of the moon, too
LOL yeah but Pink Floyd also has a copyright on the Dark Side
No, I don't care what CNN or MSNBC said this time
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Thought there was supposed to be a German moon base on that side.
Add Russia to the list of countries and private entities who have managed to not land on the moon.
https://news.yahoo.com/russian-space-agency-says-luna-091342276.html
https://news.yahoo.com/russian-space-agency-says-luna-091342276.html
India should be trying to land on the 23rd..
Russia has landed and made sample returns. I'm not surprised their modern efforts failed though
Ag_of_08 said:
Russia has landed and made sample returns. I'm not surprised their modern efforts failed though
Yeah. But as you say modern efforts failed.
They may as well be starting from scratch, they haven't really tried since the 70s, except some "cooperative" missions that dumped them.
Landing on the moon is hard. I have a lot of harsh criticism for NASA in the shuttle era, but the fact they've retained and maintained the necessary knowledge to pull it off, and expanded it into the very impressive/successful Martian landings, is amazing.
Landing on the moon is hard. I have a lot of harsh criticism for NASA in the shuttle era, but the fact they've retained and maintained the necessary knowledge to pull it off, and expanded it into the very impressive/successful Martian landings, is amazing.
I talk about this with my students every semester. No one else can land on the Moon and the US/NASA/JPL are landing and driving VW sized rovers on Mars with regularity.Ag_of_08 said:
They may as well be starting from scratch, they haven't really tried since the 70s, except some "cooperative" missions that dumped them.
Landing on the moon is hard. I have a lot of harsh criticism for NASA in the shuttle era, but the fact they've retained and maintained the necessary knowledge to pull it off, and expanded it into the very impressive/successful Martian landings, is amazing.
It is interesting. Also notable is that a substantial part of the Russian space industry is…now in Ukraine and Kazakhstan. They really are sort of trying to start from scratch, but use very old boosters, while their national GDP/budget is stretched pretty darn thin.
They still light those things on the pad with the equivalent of giant wooden matchsticks, I believe. Effective, sure, but crude.
They still light those things on the pad with the equivalent of giant wooden matchsticks, I believe. Effective, sure, but crude.
I was wondering if this was launched from Kazakhstan. 5 months ago it didn't look like Russia had any launch capability therenortex97 said:
It is interesting. Also notable is that a substantial part of the Russian space industry is…now in Ukraine and Kazakhstan. They really are sort of trying to start from scratch, but use very old boosters, while their national GDP/budget is stretched pretty darn thin.
They still light those things on the pad with the equivalent of giant wooden matchsticks, I believe. Effective, sure, but crude.
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Yeah. And the "Soyuz 5" is hardly an advancement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irtysh_(rocket)
A lot of space exploration/cooperative missions were basically shelved/pushed back/cancelled by this idiocy. Of course, some of that launch service revenue as a consequence ironically went to SpaceX.
Frankly, I think the Russians, at least from a commercial and exploration/science perspective, are much less likely to recover much of their share than the Europeans are, though neither really has a viable plan for a reusable platform near term. Maybe desperation will make someone/groups/countries come up with something really innovative.
They haven't really innovated a lot in a long time though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irtysh_(rocket)
A lot of space exploration/cooperative missions were basically shelved/pushed back/cancelled by this idiocy. Of course, some of that launch service revenue as a consequence ironically went to SpaceX.
Frankly, I think the Russians, at least from a commercial and exploration/science perspective, are much less likely to recover much of their share than the Europeans are, though neither really has a viable plan for a reusable platform near term. Maybe desperation will make someone/groups/countries come up with something really innovative.
They haven't really innovated a lot in a long time though.
Oh yes please. Remember, NASA could have used less expensive, and more powerful BE-3U engines but went with a more expensive traditional contractor because reasons. https://t.co/9HvPlo1ian
— Eric Berger (@SciGuySpace) August 22, 2023
Well, it's a start, but any finding recommending a change will just delay this beast even further.
Booster 9 has been rolled to launch site.
In the short term yes, it would.
When the problems with actually building ALL NEW rs-25's finally catches up, and we throw away all the historical engines like idiots, that's going to bring things to a screeching halt
When the problems with actually building ALL NEW rs-25's finally catches up, and we throw away all the historical engines like idiots, that's going to bring things to a screeching halt
Ultimately, SLS is just going to be wholly unnecessary for lunar missions, I believe.
Anyway, good Eric Berger update on Rocketlab Neutron (I think 2025 is the real NET, but some good info.)
Anyway, good Eric Berger update on Rocketlab Neutron (I think 2025 is the real NET, but some good info.)
Quote:
Rocket Lab is still working toward a 2024 launch date, but Beck is realistic about the potential for delays, especially with the upcoming second-stage tank tests and development work to complete on the Archimedes engine.
"The schedule says we can get there," he said. "The rubber is going to hit the road in the next six months after we get some of these big tests under our belt. We are certainly going to try to have something on the launch pad in 2024, but you know, it's a rocket program."
Beck also isn't rushing out to sign memorandum-of-understandings or contingency-based launch contracts for Neutron. He believes that, given the scarcity of medium-lift launch capacity in the Western world, that when Neutron arrives on the scene, it will be in great demand. (If Neutron can start providing commercial service in the middle of the 2020s, he's very probably not wrong). Initial pricing will be $50 to $55 million per launch.
I agree
Also agree with neutron being quite popular, especially given ESA is floundering, and the Russian program is.... I'm not actually sure they will ever recover at this point.
Also agree with neutron being quite popular, especially given ESA is floundering, and the Russian program is.... I'm not actually sure they will ever recover at this point.
Looking forward to catching some Rocket Lab launches in New Zealand soon (I recently moved to Sydney for a few years), can't make the one tomorrow but hopefully can go to the one in September.
India moon mission successful. They've landed on the moon.
https://www.youtube.com/live/1FAe7sFGBEI?feature=share
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Hahaha. Wow!
— EK3 (@EK14MeV) August 23, 2023
Someone is walking next to the fueled rocket. pic.twitter.com/y0mBg38WVI
Next Starship launch soon https://t.co/H6EO5Qqw1F
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) August 23, 2023
... WTH...
ETA: Isn't it illegal to hire people without green cards? Or do they just hand out green cards to asylum seekers/refugees?
ETA: Isn't it illegal to hire people without green cards? Or do they just hand out green cards to asylum seekers/refugees?
Justice Dept. sues SpaceX, alleging hiring discrimination against refugees and asylum seekers https://t.co/gB22Z4yq3U
— CNBC Now (@CNBCnow) August 24, 2023
I believe SpaceX has some ITAR/national security requirements they must adhere to.
Wouldn't hiring folks that can't pass a background check violate those regulations?
Wouldn't hiring folks that can't pass a background check violate those regulations?
The govt is absolutely pathetic
Stop bringing common sense into this.munch96 said:
I believe SpaceX has some ITAR/national security requirements they must adhere to.
Wouldn't hiring folks that can't pass a background check violate those regulations?
Quote:
The lawsuit says between 2018 and 2022, SpaceX "wrongly claimed" that export control laws limited its hiring to U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents.
The DOJ has been investigating SpaceX since June 2020, when the department's Immigrant and Employee Rights Section received a complaint of employment discrimination from a non-U.S. citizen.
Quote:
"Our investigation found that SpaceX failed to fairly consider or hire asylees and refugees because of their citizenship status and imposed what amounted to a ban on their hire regardless of their qualification, in violation of federal law," Kristen Clarke, Assistant Attorney General of the DOJ's Civil Rights Division, said in a statement.
Clarke added that the DOJ's investigation found "SpaceX recruiters and high-level officials took actions that actively discouraged asylees and refugees from seeking work opportunities at the company."
The dude in question has a dual citizenship from Canada and Austria.Quote:
The DOJ lawsuit seeks to win "fair consideration and back pay for asylees and refugees who were deterred or denied employment at SpaceX due to the alleged discrimination," as well as civil penalties and policy changes from the company.
munch96 said:
I believe SpaceX has some ITAR/national security requirements they must adhere to.
Wouldn't hiring folks that can't pass a background check violate those regulations?
Yes - they absolutely must adhere to ITAR.
I think the issue has been in the past - and may still be the case - was that SpaceX required hires to be U.S. citizens. If I recall, and happy to be corrected here, there are some limited circumstances where a non-U.S. citizen can get clearance, but SpaceX took a position of only accepting citizens. And apparently the government thinks that is discriminatory.
Frankly, given the constant efforts of hostile foreign governments to penetrate our defense contractors, the SpaceX policy seems extremely prudent and based in our national interest. I certainly hope they prevail here.
will25u said:Justice Dept. sues SpaceX, alleging hiring discrimination against refugees and asylum seekers https://t.co/gB22Z4yq3U
— CNBC Now (@CNBCnow) August 24, 2023
This is insanity and nothing but a political hit job by the DOiJ. Yes, obviously you are correct. America is dead though so everything you've ever thought was true is off the table now.munch96 said:
I believe SpaceX has some ITAR/national security requirements they must adhere to.
Wouldn't hiring folks that can't pass a background check violate those regulations?
SpaceX might as well move south of the Rio Grand then so they don't have to bother with the FAA and can deal with a more stable government.
No, I don't care what CNN or MSNBC said this time
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hiring to U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents.
The opposite would be non-citizens and unlawful residents…?
The DOJ is really suing SpaceX for not hiring illegals???
These anti-American democrats are doing everything they can to destroy this country.
I bet these DOJ imbeciles have never had ITAR training.
DOJ will lose this lawsuit.
Stuck between two government agencies
Where I work we do not hire anyone who is not at a minimum a permanent resident. We do not sponsor other visa types to gain a green card. We 100% discriminate in that sense.
Its not illegal to do that.
Its not illegal to do that.
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