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Ag_of_08 said:

So.... some of the scuttlebutt currently going is that there may be an even bigger problem with MLS-1, the launch tower for sls, other than the continuing inability to operate a valve( pull 5 operators and a pipe fitter out of ExxonMobil, watch them fix the problem), may have an even bigger problem than previously thought. The RUMOR( and I cannot verify it) is that they believe one of the stabilizer/umbilicals that have been a cluster**** from the beginning, may have a pretty serious design flaw. Failure to disconnect could result in a helluva "Earth shattering" kaboom. It would make the destruction done by the starship landing "oops" look like a cherry bomb under a trash can.

**edit I know about the OIG report, these rumors are that they had a Jam in the VAB after rollback


The KISS principle has never been applied when it came to space shuttle hardware (which this mostly is) and it is why it is so expensive and prone to failure.

There never seems to be a redesign of a system once it's built
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Problem is this time. They couldn't even get the overly complex system that already was working, working.

The mobile launcher is an absolute cluster**** all the way through construction ( angry astronaut did a video on it....wild), but it terrifies me how bad it is, and that they plan to launch MANNED missions off the thing.
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Ag_of_08 said:

So.... some of the scuttlebutt currently going is that there may be an even bigger problem with MLS-1, the launch tower for sls, other than the continuing inability to operate a valve( pull 5 operators and a pipe fitter out of ExxonMobil, watch them fix the problem), may have an even bigger problem than previously thought. The RUMOR( and I cannot verify it) is that they believe one of the stabilizer/umbilicals that have been a cluster**** from the beginning, may have a pretty serious design flaw. Failure to disconnect could result in a helluva "Earth shattering" kaboom. It would make the destruction done by the starship landing "oops" look like a cherry bomb under a trash can.

**edit I know about the OIG report, these rumors are that they had a Jam in the VAB after rollback
Have you heard anything more about this rumor?
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No I haven't, and I'm not suprised.

Anything negative about SLS tends to get clamped down and quieted as fast as it can be done. It doesn't help that part of the enthusiast community is still selling their souls to the thing! Inwas going to do some digging today, we shall see
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Pretty good video.



Synopsis; to use Starship (assuming it winds up working and being allowed to launch somewhere), without any additional development, or in-orbit refilling with a crew aboard (funded already by nasa). Only issue is giving Dragon an ability to loiter in NEO for a bit longer to wait for the crew to come back from the lunar mission.

He then goes into some alternative configuration options for a 'lunar dragon' for more abort options basically, but whatever, that just seems silly.



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Was watching that one this morning... it's the EOR pot I've been banging for years. Hilarious to see people who told me I was stupid and it wasn't feasible shilling for the idea now( not here, talking in general.)
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Ag_of_08 said:

Was watching that one this morning... it's the EOR pot I've been banging for years. Hilarious to see people who told me I was stupid and it wasn't feasible shilling for the idea now( not here, talking in general.)
Yeah we got your back.

I'm on team "use starship to ferry all the pieces of SLS on the moon and stack it there just to rub it into everyone's noses"

edit: I just realized that's not the expression. You rub noses into things. You rub things into faces. Right? Weird.
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Well that's good.
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Actions speak louder than words. We shall see if he's truly learned his lesson. Color me skeptical until we see actual fixed-price contracts become the norm.
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The found a scape-bird. CNBC is reporting that US Fish and Wildlife says Starbase expansion will harm an endangered bird in info obtained by FOIA. This isn't the actual FAA ruling but I can't imagine this is a favorable development:

https://apple.news/A97EyLVGJQ2O7R8ACksWZfw
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RED AG 98 said:

The found a scape-bird. CNBC is reporting that US Fish and Wildlife says Starbase expansion will harm an endangered bird in info obtained by FOIA. This isn't the actual FAA ruling but I can't imagine this is a favorable development:

https://apple.news/A97EyLVGJQ2O7R8ACksWZfw
Time to move it to Mexico or one of the Caribbean islands.
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RED AG 98 said:

The found a scape-bird. CNBC is reporting that US Fish and Wildlife says Starbase expansion will harm an endangered bird in info obtained by FOIA. This isn't the actual FAA ruling but I can't imagine this is a favorable development:

https://apple.news/A97EyLVGJQ2O7R8ACksWZfw


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The agency requires very little in the way of spending, conservation and other commitments by SpaceX, says Jared Margolis, senior attorney with the Center for Biological Diversity who read a copy of the draft BCO.

He said, "It seems the Fish and Wildlife Service is bending over backwards to figure out a way to permit more of what has been a very detrimental use of the Boca Chica site as far as impacts to wildlife go."

Margolis said FWS did not ask for well-defined or large commitments by SpaceX where conservation is concerned. He pointed to FWS requiring SpaceX to donate a meager $5,000 to an ocelot conservation group per year.
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They figured out a way to deal with the stupid ass snowy plovers at Vandenberg surely they can figure it out with whatever dumbass bird this is as well.
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ABATTBQ11 said:

RED AG 98 said:

The found a scape-bird. CNBC is reporting that US Fish and Wildlife says Starbase expansion will harm an endangered bird in info obtained by FOIA. This isn't the actual FAA ruling but I can't imagine this is a favorable development:

https://apple.news/A97EyLVGJQ2O7R8ACksWZfw


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The agency requires very little in the way of spending, conservation and other commitments by SpaceX, says Jared Margolis, senior attorney with the Center for Biological Diversity who read a copy of the draft BCO.

He said, "It seems the Fish and Wildlife Service is bending over backwards to figure out a way to permit more of what has been a very detrimental use of the Boca Chica site as far as impacts to wildlife go."

Margolis said FWS did not ask for well-defined or large commitments by SpaceX where conservation is concerned. He pointed to FWS requiring SpaceX to donate a meager $5,000 to an ocelot conservation group per year.



Might as well scrub the entire program
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Surprise, it's a piping plover as well as a few others.


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The FWS has determined and written in a document known as a draft biological and conference opinion (BCO) that if SpaceX moves ahead with the proposal it sent to the FAA, it would impact some species protected under the Endangered Species Act, as well as hundreds of acres of their critical habitat, although the activity would not completely wipe out those species.

Of greatest concern is the company's anticipated impact to the mating, migration, health and habitat of the piping plover, red knot, jaguarundi and ocelot populations. Disruptions and harm can be caused by everything from regular vehicle traffic, to the noise, heat, explosions and fragmentation of habitat caused by construction, rocket testing and launches.

Several species of sea turtles are also of concern, but FWS deferred to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration for marine life expertise. One of the turtles is known as the Kemp's Ridley sea turtle, which nests on the beaches of Boca Chica. It is the most critically endangered sea turtle in the world.

The draft opinion cautions that some 903.65 acres of piping plover critical habitat surrounds the facility and 446.27 acres of that will be lost from the direct impact of SpaceX activity under the proposal submitted to the FAA.

Among its recommendations and requirements, the FWS wants SpaceX to monitor affected animal populations carefully, limit construction and launch activity to specific seasons or times of day and night, and use shuttles to reduce vehicle traffic of workers on location.

The last paragraph above sounds like delay to me due to further research, investigation, etc.
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I think Margolis is commenting on past requests and not the new report but yeah hopefully this isn't a big deal. I just put nothing past a politicized, weaponized governmental agency these days.
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Might explain the incredible increase in pace of Starship infrastructure construction at the Cape. My guess is Elon's figuring out that launches from BC ain't happening. So basically we're all screwed until they can get the tower and factory up in Florida, which probably won't be until sometime next year.
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The Kemps Ridley Sea Turtle doesn't appear to be dependent on the 2 linear miles of beach around Starbase to me.



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Maximus_Meridius said:

Might explain the incredible increase in pace of Starship infrastructure construction at the Cape. My guess is Elon's figuring out that launches from BC ain't happening. So basically we're all screwed until they can get the tower and factory up in Florida, which probably won't be until sometime next year.
Well Starship needs to launch at the Cape as well anyways so...
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Isn't the mission of SpaceX to save humanity if the earth becomes uninhabitable? Can't they just put some turtles and birds on one of the ships?
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They're not entirely dependent because their main nesting ground is farther south, but Kemp's Ridley is still pretty endangered. That map is also misleading without the key:

Distribution of Kemp's ridley sea turtle (L. kempii):
red dot = primary nesting beach
green= primary adult male range
dark blue = primary adult female range
mid-blue = juvenile and subadult range
light blue = accidentals and vagrants (95% juveniles and subadults)
black dots = verified records


Most of that colored area is not typical range, and the actual ranges are not indicative of nesting grounds either.
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ABATTBQ11 said:

They're not entirely dependent because their main nesting ground is farther south, but Kemp's Ridley is still pretty endangered. That map is also misleading without the key:

Distribution of Kemp's ridley sea turtle (L. kempii):
red dot = primary nesting beach
green= primary adult male range
dark blue = primary adult female range
mid-blue = juvenile and subadult range
light blue = accidentals and vagrants (95% juveniles and subadults)
black dots = verified records


Most of that colored area is not typical range, and the actual ranges are not indicative of nesting grounds either.
Well the red dot doesn't look like it is on top of BC. Further, what is a sea turtle gonna do if a starship goes off as it is getting close to a nesting beach, go back out to sea and die? How many sea turtles come in and nest during the day anyway? I prefer my nature much more like Jurassic park, or the ants/bugs around my home; you really have to work to kill them off.

Sea turtles are ancient creatures, right, can't they somehow adapt if their perfect nest location is no longer accessible for a year or 10? Has that never happened before?

A damn rocket launch isn't going to affect the gender of the sea turtles that hatch.

These people are insane:

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Tra****en, who specializes in borderland species, said the sex of sea turtle reptiles is determined as the eggs are developing in the sand and is affected by heat. Tra****en said eggs that get hotter tend to produce more females, and that could result in a reduction in sea turtle population in the region if there are not enough males to help populate.

"The eggs are incubated at a certain temperature a sweet spot in the soil so you have an even number of males and females. The higher temperature, the more females you will produce," Tra****en said. "There is no X/Y chromosone. The sex ratio is determined by the eggs."

Friday's blast sent fiery debris falling from the sky in chunks, and the sonic-boom-like sound was heard for miles.

"This will take a long time to know because of a long generation time with these turtles. We might not be aware of this until 15 years down the road that we have all females or all males," Tra****en said.
Further, I don't give a damn about any of the three species, and would be happy if they did go extinct, because it would make the right types of fruitcakes nuts.
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Sea turtles choke on masks.

Maskers hate sea turtles.
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No, this is most likely a pre-construction (no delay), during construction and post-construction monitoring of the bird species; like what was conducted for the closure of Rollover Pass.

If anyone knows people at SpaceX, send them my way to help.
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nortex97 said:

Further, I don't give a damn about any of the three species, and would be happy if they did go extinct, because it would make the right types of fruitcakes nuts.


Well, at least you're honest about something I guess.
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ABATTBQ11 said:

nortex97 said:

Further, I don't give a damn about any of the three species, and would be happy if they did go extinct, because it would make the right types of fruitcakes nuts.


Well, at least you're honest about something I guess.
Yeah, I've got that going for me. Which is nice. LOL.
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JWST vs older satellites.


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Just saw this. For ****'s sake Starliner get it together

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I doubt that SpaceX activity will have any measurable impact on wildlife. But if rocket launches and testing is going to cause a species to go extinct, I'm sorry, but it's already too late.
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Possibly the most Boeing thing I've seen in a while
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Some onboard footage dropped from SpinLaunch.

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will25u said:

JWST vs older satellites.



I hope they can find a way to eliminate the ugly starburst in all the JWST images. Hopefully it's just an aperture setting and not from the hex mirror segments.
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lb3 said:

will25u said:

JWST vs older satellites.



I hope they can find a way to eliminate the ugly starburst in all the JWST images. Hopefully it's just an aperture setting and not from the hex mirror segments.
All telescopes do that for the most part. It's from the stars in the milky way being so much closer and brighter than the targeted galaxies/nebulae and they kinda blow out the picture
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