Love that guy but he's so damn weird. I told my wife it was like a crowd full of Space Camp nerds listening to the ultimate Space Camp nerd.

Decay said:

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Love that guy but he's so damn weird. I told my wife it was like a crowd full of Space Camp nerds listening to the ultimate Space Camp nerd.

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GTFO!

Some people would rather have a smooth B.S.er up there. He only cares about getting to Mars.



Kidding, not.

Decay said:

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Love that guy but he's so damn weird. I told my wife it was like a crowd full of Space Camp nerds listening to the ultimate Space Camp nerd.

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That nerd that's the richest man in the world.

YellowPot_97 said:

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Decay said:

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Love that guy but he's so damn weird. I told my wife it was like a crowd full of Space Camp nerds listening to the ultimate Space Camp nerd.

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That nerd that's the richest man in the world.

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Which as soon as I told the 8 year old, she became a magnitude more interested in what was going on.

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Decay said:

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Love that guy but he's so damn weird. I told my wife it was like a crowd full of Space Camp nerds listening to the ultimate Space Camp nerd.

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GTFO!

Some people would rather have a smooth B.S.er up there. He only cares about getting to Mars.



Kidding, not.

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I mean it's totally my people so I judge out of love

Manley's breakdown of the Astra failure.

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Manley's breakdown of the Astra failure.

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I've seen some crude HLS interior cad renders and was disappointed he didn't share any of glossy marketing type renders.

I had heard that they were going away from the love bug mating for propellant transfers and find the missionary mating boring.

Nm

Yep, I just started reading The Expanse books and hearing him talk about interplanetary and intergalactic humans was just so awesome. Dude's gotta be on the spectrum, whatever it is he may be known as the savior of the species 200 years from now.

Plus he's based af.

I think they started that way, then did ass to ass, now we're back to love bugs.

with all the lousy crap going on in the world these days, Elon Musk is a gotdamn hero!

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I think they started that way, then did ass to ass, now we're back to love bugs.

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Was just thinking how many different forums that sentence could've been a response to here on TexAgs.

Just finished watching the presentation. My gosh his presentation skills are bad. Just...bad...

Honestly, not a lot that was new. The Raptor 2 stuff was interesting. But it seems like a lot of it was just recap of things we already strongly suspected or straight up knew. One bit I found interesting was the statement he made (I want to say it was before Tim Dodd's question) that if the FAA decide to require an Environmental Impact Study (EIS), that due to the large amount of time required to complete that he would probably shift the focus to building out the launch system at LC-39A, which means another 12-18 months of delays (in his estimation...God alone knows what it would actually take...). Really gotta hope that the FAA green lights this thing.

The biggest thing I took from it was the feeling that Starbase would be an R&D base and most operational launches would take place from KSC or offshore.

Yeah it sounds like they are basically resigned to operating from KSC mainly at this point. Long term, I would guess they want to do mostly sea-based launches to just not deal with so many gov't/regulatory hurdles.

I am kind of amazed he thinks/predicts they could build a whole tank farm/tower etc. @ KSC in 8 or so months. Ok, I am more dubious than amazed.

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Just finished watching the presentation. My gosh his presentation skills are bad. Just...bad...

Honestly, not a lot that was new. The Raptor 2 stuff was interesting. But it seems like a lot of it was just recap of things we already strongly suspected or straight up knew. One bit I found interesting was the statement he made (I want to say it was before Tim Dodd's question) that if the FAA decide to require an Environmental Impact Study (EIS), that due to the large amount of time required to complete that he would probably shift the focus to building out the launch system at LC-39A, which means another 12-18 months of delays (in his estimation...God alone knows what it would actually take...). Really gotta hope that the FAA green lights this thing.

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My thoughts:

Yes, his presentation skills are poor, but to his credit, he has come a LONG WAY in his public speaking. If you go back to past presentations, it's way worse, multiple LONG tangents (which he starting doing this time but caught himself).

The PPT operator helped him move from subject to subject.

He really wanted more questions about Raptor 2 because that's where he's spending most of his brain time

We knew almost all the things he was talking about - there was little new stuff for us. However, I have to remind myself that we're probably more up to date with the day-to-day of SpaceX than the general public. Especially since I figure most of us on this thread are also on /r/spacex, /r/spacexlounge, /r/starshipdevelopment, we watch videos by Scott Manley and Tim Dodd and on and on. The reporters that were there from CNBC and ArsTechnica will probably produce some new articles for wider dissemination.

I think the engineering challenges for the engines, the ship, and stage 0 are all close to being finished. He indicated the Launch tower went from design to construction in 18 months. I'm in the construction industry and I can tell you that is remarkable. This leads me to believe that the construction of new launch towers at the cape or offshore will be much faster.

Malachi Constant said:

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Maximus_Meridius said:

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Just finished watching the presentation. My gosh his presentation skills are bad. Just...bad...

Honestly, not a lot that was new. The Raptor 2 stuff was interesting. But it seems like a lot of it was just recap of things we already strongly suspected or straight up knew. One bit I found interesting was the statement he made (I want to say it was before Tim Dodd's question) that if the FAA decide to require an Environmental Impact Study (EIS), that due to the large amount of time required to complete that he would probably shift the focus to building out the launch system at LC-39A, which means another 12-18 months of delays (in his estimation...God alone knows what it would actually take...). Really gotta hope that the FAA green lights this thing.

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My thoughts:

Yes, his presentation skills are poor, but to his credit, he has come a LONG WAY in his public speaking. If you go back to past presentations, it's way worse, multiple LONG tangents (which he starting doing this time but caught himself).

The PPT operator helped him move from subject to subject.

He really wanted more questions about Raptor 2 because that's where he's spending most of his brain time

We knew almost all the things he was talking about - there was little new stuff for us. However, I have to remind myself that we're probably more up to date with the day-to-day of SpaceX than the general public. Especially since I figure most of us on this thread are also on /r/spacex, /r/spacexlounge, /r/starshipdevelopment, we watch videos by Scott Manley and Tim Dodd and on and on. The reporters that were there from CNBC and ArsTechnica will probably produce some new articles for wider dissemination.

I think the engineering challenges for the engines, the ship, and stage 0 are all close to being finished. He indicated the Launch tower went from design to construction in 18 months. I'm in the construction industry and I can tell you that is remarkable. This leads me to believe that the construction of new launch towers at the cape or offshore will be much faster.

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Yeah, I just read this thread and occasionally Google to see if there are any new articles about how SpaceX is destroying Europe's launch industry. I'm glad the regulars keep the rest of us informed.

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Yeah it sounds like they are basically resigned to operating from KSC mainly at this point. Long term, I would guess they want to do mostly sea-based launches to just not deal with so many gov't/regulatory hurdles.

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I think this had to have been the mindset all along, we just never realized it. There just aren't that many inclinations available from south Texas without flying over people. One of the biggest things SpaceX was able to get past regulators was the dogleg polar trajectories out of KSC, it makes KSC much more versatile of a launch site.

Having offshore platforms is a killer app though, no noise controls, no access problems (except for idiots in boats that get too close but SpaceX can use private security teams on fastboats in those cases), it's truly the only way that they'll ever get to the launch cadence they want.

Everyone at SPI loves all the attention 5 miles south right now, but that excitement will disappear the first time they hear the noise from 33 raptors lighting up. KSC that problem goes away to a certain degree because so much of the safety infrastructure is already in place, but it completely goes away once you're 12NM offshore.

You're probably right. Let's face it, Starbase for a whole host of reasons is not really primed to be a spot dozens of rocket launches a month happen from. It really seems like a glorified auto body shop to me. Relatively great place to affordably play around/prototype/fabricate things, of course.

Pretty cool thread;

This special lens is meant for engineering, not science, and allows NIRCam to capture an “inward-looking” image of the primary mirror. This image helps us to check that the telescope is aligned with the science instruments. https://t.co/dxfuzpvDCw

— NASA Webb Telescope (@NASAWebb) February 11, 2022

Malachi Constant said:

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Maximus_Meridius said:

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Just finished watching the presentation. My gosh his presentation skills are bad. Just...bad...

Honestly, not a lot that was new. The Raptor 2 stuff was interesting. But it seems like a lot of it was just recap of things we already strongly suspected or straight up knew. One bit I found interesting was the statement he made (I want to say it was before Tim Dodd's question) that if the FAA decide to require an Environmental Impact Study (EIS), that due to the large amount of time required to complete that he would probably shift the focus to building out the launch system at LC-39A, which means another 12-18 months of delays (in his estimation...God alone knows what it would actually take...). Really gotta hope that the FAA green lights this thing.

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My thoughts:

Yes, his presentation skills are poor, but to his credit, he has come a LONG WAY in his public speaking. If you go back to past presentations, it's way worse, multiple LONG tangents (which he starting doing this time but caught himself).

The PPT operator helped him move from subject to subject.

He really wanted more questions about Raptor 2 because that's where he's spending most of his brain time

We knew almost all the things he was talking about - there was little new stuff for us. However, I have to remind myself that we're probably more up to date with the day-to-day of SpaceX than the general public. Especially since I figure most of us on this thread are also on /r/spacex, /r/spacexlounge, /r/starshipdevelopment, we watch videos by Scott Manley and Tim Dodd and on and on. The reporters that were there from CNBC and ArsTechnica will probably produce some new articles for wider dissemination.

I think the engineering challenges for the engines, the ship, and stage 0 are all close to being finished. He indicated the Launch tower went from design to construction in 18 months. I'm in the construction industry and I can tell you that is remarkable. This leads me to believe that the construction of new launch towers at the cape or offshore will be much faster.

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Probably more up to date?

Almost no one knows about starship, literally no clue it exists. Unless you are a space nerd, most of it isn't covered in the news or any where they would really be exposed to it.

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Yeah it sounds like they are basically resigned to operating from KSC mainly at this point. Long term, I would guess they want to do mostly sea-based launches to just not deal with so many gov't/regulatory hurdles.

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I think this had to have been the mindset all along, we just never realized it. There just aren't that many inclinations available from south Texas without flying over people. One of the biggest things SpaceX was able to get past regulators was the dogleg polar trajectories out of KSC, it makes KSC much more versatile of a launch site.

Having offshore platforms is a killer app though, no noise controls, no access problems (except for idiots in boats that get too close but SpaceX can use private security teams on fastboats in those cases), it's truly the only way that they'll ever get to the launch cadence they want.

Everyone at SPI loves all the attention 5 miles south right now, but that excitement will disappear the first time they hear the noise from 33 raptors lighting up. KSC that problem goes away to a certain degree because so much of the safety infrastructure is already in place, but it completely goes away once you're 12NM offshore.

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I had the impression that Elon wanted Starbase to be a significant launch port with all the money he's pouring into the area to attract engineers to move there.

I guess the counterpoint would be that the engineers are there for design and testing, while the larger Roberts Road facility in Cocoa, FL, will be the production facility. Who knows.

For the foreseeable future looks like we'll still be seeing lots of test launches from Starbase.

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bthotugigem05 said:

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Yeah it sounds like they are basically resigned to operating from KSC mainly at this point. Long term, I would guess they want to do mostly sea-based launches to just not deal with so many gov't/regulatory hurdles.

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I think this had to have been the mindset all along, we just never realized it. There just aren't that many inclinations available from south Texas without flying over people. One of the biggest things SpaceX was able to get past regulators was the dogleg polar trajectories out of KSC, it makes KSC much more versatile of a launch site.

Having offshore platforms is a killer app though, no noise controls, no access problems (except for idiots in boats that get too close but SpaceX can use private security teams on fastboats in those cases), it's truly the only way that they'll ever get to the launch cadence they want.

Everyone at SPI loves all the attention 5 miles south right now, but that excitement will disappear the first time they hear the noise from 33 raptors lighting up. KSC that problem goes away to a certain degree because so much of the safety infrastructure is already in place, but it completely goes away once you're 12NM offshore.

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I had the impression that Elon wanted Starbase to be a significant launch port with all the money he's pouring into the area to attract engineers to move there.

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Ok, but how much would the relocation costs really be (proportionally, for the program) if he wants a bunch of them to move to Florida? Certainly, I'd expect it to be lower vs. the cost of building a new launch complex/tank farm/fab facility).

Further, does it even matter where the bulk of the engineers live? Their 'burn out' or churn rate gives them some flexibility (and the ones that stick around tend to be the 'true believers' as I understand it.). Not many aerospace engineers would be likely to object to moving to the space coast from Padre, imho.

I guess therein lies the rub. I don't see Starbase slowing down any time soon, neither do my friends who are engineers at SpaceX, who are pretty much all being pressured to consider relocating.

Elon said that he wants to have a full production and launch facility at both locations.

BREAKING 🚨: NASA has released the first images from the James Webb Space Telescope

A mosaic of a star and a selfie pic.twitter.com/T0JM1MDfM4

— Latest in space (@latestinspace) February 11, 2022

Went down to Starbase, the pictures are amazing so far.

A bright new era begins. Beautiful light at @SpaceX’s Starbase tonight. pic.twitter.com/lNaWwoSc99

— Andy Luten (@andystravelblog) February 13, 2022

SpaceX recently posted this incredible drone footage on their Instagram of a Falcon 9 launch and landing. @elonmusk pic.twitter.com/bebusGyO7d

— Sawyer Merritt (@SawyerMerritt) February 13, 2022

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SpaceX recently posted this incredible drone footage on their Instagram of a Falcon 9 launch and landing. @elonmusk pic.twitter.com/bebusGyO7d

— Sawyer Merritt (@SawyerMerritt) February 13, 2022

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Pretty cool, was that NROL-87?

Our first mission, Polaris Dawn, launches no earlier than the fourth quarter of 2022 → https://t.co/kCzeG3EzEh

— Polaris (@PolarisProgram) February 14, 2022

The crew will attempt the first commercial spacewalk with SpaceX-designed extravehicular activity suits, upgraded from the current intravehicular suit. pic.twitter.com/CYD7tIjjOT

— Polaris (@PolarisProgram) February 14, 2022

PJYoung said:

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Our first mission, Polaris Dawn, launches no earlier than the fourth quarter of 2022 → https://t.co/kCzeG3EzEh

— Polaris (@PolarisProgram) February 14, 2022

The crew will attempt the first commercial spacewalk with SpaceX-designed extravehicular activity suits, upgraded from the current intravehicular suit. pic.twitter.com/CYD7tIjjOT

— Polaris (@PolarisProgram) February 14, 2022

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I wonder if this is the announcement that Musk mentioned not stealing the thunder of.

Maybe. It's amazing we had working space suits in the 1960's, but with a billion dollars thrown at it NASA is not going to be able to do it by 2024.

SpaceX could do it if need be

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) August 10, 2021

So this explains all those flybys we’ve seen at Starbase lately! Jared will be the first person on Starship and will have two other Dragon Missions!!! First he has the world’s largest private Air Force, now he’s gonna have his own private space program, Polaris 🤯 https://t.co/ocTNI0nXTY

— Everyday Astronaut (@Erdayastronaut) February 14, 2022

Jared Isaacman, less than six months after the historic Inspiration4 mission, announces he is going back to orbit with SpaceX – purchasing up to three private flights, including another free-flying Crew Dragon mission set for late this year:https://t.co/7DT8a1usAF

— Michael Sheetz (@thesheetztweetz) February 14, 2022