SpaceX and other space news updates

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The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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nortex97
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No more stock issuance for infrastructure is a big deal for those of us who own a stake. A lot of insider selling pressure the past week or so.


She's hilarious. Notably, Boeing was paid over $4.2 billion for Starliner, which has unsafely delivered crew to the ISS I believe one time. Hopefully, they enable F9 to hit 1,000 flights before retiring the system (my personal hope).
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Who?mikejones! said:

Space rangers


No, Space Marines, get it right.


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nortex97 said:

No more stock issuance for infrastructure is a big deal for those of us who own a stake. A lot of insider selling pressure the past week or so.


She's hilarious. Notably, Boeing was paid over $4.2 billion for Starliner, which has unsafely delivered crew to the ISS I believe one time. Hopefully, they enable F9 to hit 1,000 flights before retiring the system (my personal hope).


Once ISS is retired, the demand for Dragon will be gone. There should be others capable of the lifting capacity that F9 serves.

I could see SpaceX spinning F9 off to an independent or possibly a wholly owned subsidiary. By that point, even a full sale, they may not have any defendable IP in Falcon and Merlin
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Eh...maybe. Keep in mind you still have some "private" space stations in the works (i.e. Axiom) that will still need reliable means of transportation to get to and from. And right now, that list starts and ends with Dragon...I mean, you could include Soyuz, but I seriously doubt anyone outside of Russia would look at it. The only other options are Starliner (good luck finding anyone willing to ride that monstrosity) or Dreamchaser, which I'm beginning to doubt ever flies at all. I suppose Starship could service Axiom's station, but I'm not sure if that would necessarily be an economical equivalent.
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nortex97
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Kenneth_2003 said:


I could see SpaceX spinning F9 off to an independent or possibly a wholly owned subsidiary. By that point, even a full sale, they may not have any defendable IP in Falcon and Merlin

FWIW, they functionally don't use patents on the rockets. Elon has dismissed them as unnecessary.
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Elon Musk has long downplayed patents. In a 2012 interview he said SpaceX had "essentially no patents" because publishing them would give competitors (especially in China) a "recipe book." He has repeated versions of that view since, including that patents are mainly used to block trolls and that others are free to copy SpaceX. Core rocket, engine, and reuse know-how is treated as trade secrets rather than published inventions.

The public record still shows a real, if modest, portfolio. Analyses from 20242026 typically put it in the range of roughly 80200 patent families and a few hundred individual filings or grants worldwide, depending on whether applications, grants, acquisitions, and design patents are counted. The large majority cluster around Starlink user hardwarephased-array antennas, terminals, RF filters, radomes, and related communications gearbecause those products ship to customers and can be reverse-engineered. Rocket engines, Falcon/Starship vehicles, and most launch-process details appear only rarely.
SpaceX has also picked up some patents through acquisitions (for example RF-filter technology).

Enforcement appears limited; the strategy is closer to "patent the commodity layer that customers can take apart, keep the factory-floor launch edge secret." That dual approach is why the portfolio looks thin next to legacy aerospace firms or even some newer space companies.

(He commented on this in the past month but that was easier for me to quickly respond with.). But that also makes me think there may be 'trade secrets' in the metallurgy/software etc. in the F9/Merlin series they don't want to just sell off.
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More LOL's.
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will25u said:



Cue 2001: A Space Odyssey music
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will25u said:



Thanks for taking one for the team, moon! You're the best!
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double aught said:

will25u said:



Thanks for taking one for the team, moon! You're the best!

So basically a hole big enough and deep enough to hold all of Kyle Field stadium.
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nortex97 said:

Kenneth_2003 said:


I could see SpaceX spinning F9 off to an independent or possibly a wholly owned subsidiary. By that point, even a full sale, they may not have any defendable IP in Falcon and Merlin

FWIW, they functionally don't use patents on the rockets. Elon has dismissed them as unnecessary.
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Elon Musk has long downplayed patents. In a 2012 interview he said SpaceX had "essentially no patents" because publishing them would give competitors (especially in China) a "recipe book." He has repeated versions of that view since, including that patents are mainly used to block trolls and that others are free to copy SpaceX. Core rocket, engine, and reuse know-how is treated as trade secrets rather than published inventions.

The public record still shows a real, if modest, portfolio. Analyses from 20242026 typically put it in the range of roughly 80200 patent families and a few hundred individual filings or grants worldwide, depending on whether applications, grants, acquisitions, and design patents are counted. The large majority cluster around Starlink user hardwarephased-array antennas, terminals, RF filters, radomes, and related communications gearbecause those products ship to customers and can be reverse-engineered. Rocket engines, Falcon/Starship vehicles, and most launch-process details appear only rarely.
SpaceX has also picked up some patents through acquisitions (for example RF-filter technology).

Enforcement appears limited; the strategy is closer to "patent the commodity layer that customers can take apart, keep the factory-floor launch edge secret." That dual approach is why the portfolio looks thin next to legacy aerospace firms or even some newer space companies.

(He commented on this in the past month but that was easier for me to quickly respond with.). But that also makes me think there may be 'trade secrets' in the metallurgy/software etc. in the F9/Merlin series they don't want to just sell off.

Yeah... Patents are weird. You want to makes them as broad and vague as possible to prevent having to publish the details. Then as the years go on, the renewals are increasingly more costly and good for shorter and shorter terms.

My thoughts when I posted were more along the line that by the time they discontinue F9, they'll be so far ahead with Starship and Raptor that there simply isn't much anyone could reasonably do to catch them.

Honestly I don't know how much trade secret carryover there is between Falcon and Starship. Is there enough that could reasonably give a competitor a competitive leg up? It would take anyone else in the aerospace industry over a decade to get where SpaceX is today and there's no telling where they'll be in a decade.

It truly is crazy to think that SpaceX could retire F9 and Dragon before anyone else could even fly a single mission with a "colleague" of a capsule.
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It's really amazing what our gravity and atmosphere protect us from.
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SpaceX: Holy Grail of Rocketry

https://www.spacex.com/content/starship/holy-grail-of-rocketry

Youtube version here
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Came here to post this!

This is top quality rocket porn!
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"Pending regulatory approval…"
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The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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SDN is gonna be huge
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The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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nortex97 said:



"Pending regulatory approval…"

Ok, they need to stop posting dates until 2-3 days before launch
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It seems most people are taking the Dragon retirement story to mean that SpaceX is getting out of the human spaceflight game. Pretty obvious that's not the case and the timeline is more of an indication of when Starship is expected to be human rated.
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normaleagle05 said:

It seems most people are taking the Dragon retirement story to mean that SpaceX is getting out of the human spaceflight game. Pretty obvious that's not the case and the timeline is more of an indication of when Starship is expected to be human rated.

I don't know if human rating Starship means human rating terrestrial Starship landings. The G-forces aren't too high, but it would be coming from multiple directions within a short amount of time



Going from a horizontal belly-flop (+Gx) to a vertical rocket posture (+Gz) while simultaneously swinging sideways (Gy) causes the inner ear fluid to slosh wildly. This causes severe spatial disorientation and motion sickness, even at lower G-levels.

It could work though if SpaceX is planning on having gimbaled seats
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JUST IN: Texas A&M is preparing to challenge Caltech for control of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, potentially ending a management relationship that has lasted roughly 90 years.

The Texas A&M University System Board of Regents has authorized the system to assemble a team and prepare a proposal to manage and operate JPL.

NASA is opening management of the laboratory to competitive bidding for the first time in JPL's history.

Caltech founded JPL and has managed the laboratory since its creation. Its current contract runs through September 2028 and carries a maximum potential value of $30 billion if all options are exercised.

JPL employs roughly 7,300 people and has led missions spanning Mars rovers, Voyager and some of NASA's most important deep-space exploration programs.

Texas A&M already co-manages Los Alamos National Laboratory and the Pantex nuclear weapons facility and is completing a $200 million Space Institute near NASA Johnson Space Center.

NASA says the competition will take several years and will not disrupt current JPL missions.
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Definitely not selling anything today.
NASAg03
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I worked for / with Rob Ambrose in the dexterous robotics lab for a number of years. It's good to see him making such a big push for A&M in the commercial space world.

The Texas A&M Space Institute is opening up this fall and it's currently about 1/4 filled with lunar regolith simulant. Full size is more than a football field of lunar regolith, and they will have another one with Martian regolith simulant.

We're shooting to get in there soon for some hardware testing. I'll give updates when that happens. Either way, our CTO Dr. Tim Crain was a big part of it and it happened quick. Not bad for a t-sip football player!



https://space.tamu.edu/institute/facility/

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The idea is to test equipment with lunar/martian dust??
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OnlyForNow said:

The idea is to test equipment with lunar/martian dust??

Correct. Although there are a lot of different types of dust simulants depends on the purpose of the test. Most are taken from earth volcanoes and milled / ground down to get the properties you want.
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