OnlyForNow said:

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Prepare a history report on any events and activities of the Mexican War and Civil War that took place in all affected areas of historical importance

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I think these are pretty easy to make:

Decay said:

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Oh gotcha. So they couldn't agree on who had jurisdiction and/or couldn't get the others to pay for it, so they just dumped it all on SpaceX?

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Yeah just give it to the world's richest man to handle.

No, not really that.

The land around there that's not private is heavily contested - is what I mean. I guess it's not heavily contested until you're asking permission to do something like these requirements and/our conduct investigations.

What of any real significance historically speaking happened on those sand bars?

Sure, everyone thinks 'their history' is important, but we're not talking about Rome, are we.

Oh, it was a SUPER important army staging area all though that Boca Chica marsh area.

Literally, everything that wasn't under water during high tide was occupied with encampments. Anything with mots of trees (shade) was even more valuable. So there probably thousands of artifacts associated with the military encampments.

Must have not been that important if they are waiting until after Space X built a site there to start caring.

It's on the surrounding areas.

SpaceX built entirely in the marsh.

OnlyForNow said:

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It's on the surrounding areas.

SpaceX built entirely in the marsh.

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I don't get what you are saying. Does that counter what I said?

OnlyForNow said:

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Oh, it was a SUPER important army staging area all though that Boca Chica marsh area.

Literally, everything that wasn't under water during high tide was occupied with encampments. Anything with mots of trees (shade) was even more valuable. So there probably thousands of artifacts associated with the military encampments.

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It was apparently so important that for 150 plus year no one cared about it. Call me skeptical. This was someone with a pet project that had bo chance of ever happening until deep pockets showed up.

Mathguy64 said:

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OnlyForNow said:

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Oh, it was a SUPER important army staging area all though that Boca Chica marsh area.

Literally, everything that wasn't under water during high tide was occupied with encampments. Anything with mots of trees (shade) was even more valuable. So there probably thousands of artifacts associated with the military encampments.

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It was apparently so important that for 150 plus year no one cared about it. Call me skeptical. This was someone with a pet project that had bo chance of ever happening until deep pockets showed up.

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Frankly even if true, I'm not sure Musk is opposed. For one he's a super curious guy and for another it's probably pennies on the dollar compared to most of the other things.

But yeah, I'm with you.

Boca Chica was supposed to be a great beach village until a hurricane came through and rearranged the floodplain, preventing any further buildout. It was in the middle of nowhere and nobody cared about it.

Only an idiot or a billionaire would be willing to drive all those pylons down to the bedrock to build something there today…

bthotugigem05 said:

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Boca Chica was supposed to be a great beach village until a hurricane came through and rearranged the floodplain, preventing any further buildout. It was in the middle of nowhere and nobody cared about it.

Only an idiot or a billionaire would be willing to drive all those pylons down to the bedrock to build something there today…

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Bedrock? Bawahaha! They'll drive deep pilings, but they'll rely on skin friction with the surrounding sediments. The nearest cemented/lithified rock is going to be at least in the 1000s of feet deep.

N9thing on the coast really ever hits "bed rock" if i remember right.

No. It was always there, well since that war.

But no one has really built anything on public ground much, and when they do they go through the "normal" NEPA process. One of which is section 106 of the NHRPA.

This is not a "gotcha" thing for spaceX this is just typical.

The "gotcha" thing is making them pursue an EIS then issuing a FONSI. They wanted hundreds of thousands of dollars and years on the EIS just to get a FONSI.

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bthotugigem05 said:

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Boca Chica was supposed to be a great beach village until a hurricane came through and rearranged the floodplain, preventing any further buildout. It was in the middle of nowhere and nobody cared about it.

Only an idiot or a billionaire would be willing to drive all those pylons down to the bedrock to build something there today…

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Bedrock? Bawahaha! They'll drive deep pilings, but they'll rely on skin friction with the surrounding sediments. The nearest cemented/lithified rock is going to be at least in the 1000s of feet deep.

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That's what I heard a couple years ago. Any idea how deep they go? Did they do the same at the Cape?

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What of any real significance historically speaking happened on those sand bars?

Sure, everyone thinks 'their history' is important, but we're not talking about Rome, are we.

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Last battle of the civil war was a 4 miles down the road

https://funkytexastraveler.com/boca-chica-texas-spacex-and-last-battle-of-civil-war/

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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bthotugigem05 said:

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Boca Chica was supposed to be a great beach village until a hurricane came through and rearranged the floodplain, preventing any further buildout. It was in the middle of nowhere and nobody cared about it.

Only an idiot or a billionaire would be willing to drive all those pylons down to the bedrock to build something there today…

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Bedrock? Bawahaha! They'll drive deep pilings, but they'll rely on skin friction with the surrounding sediments. The nearest cemented/lithified rock is going to be at least in the 1000s of feet deep.

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That's what I heard a couple years ago. Any idea how deep they go? Did they do the same at the Cape?

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Any Geotech CEs in here?

I'm not sure if it adds anything to the discussion - but in reference to the different encampments, battles, and historical aspects of Boca Chica…. The Palmetto Pilings marker is just a few hundred feet from the launchpad used for the Starship hops. It was erected in 1936 and it's the one they've been asked to replace the vandalized stars and wreath on. No doubt the vandalization occurred decades before SpaceX was a dream. If you pull up and get out of your car to admire the tower/starships/star hopper…. You are generally parked right in front of it. This link also has links to the other historical markers along the drive to BC beach.

https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=164594

Space X should have nothing to do with repairing any of that. They didn't destroy it. And if that property was valuable for historians or artifact collectors, then they should have bought the land themselves. Not lobby government to force Space X to give them special privileges after the fact.

Kenneth_2003 said:

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bthotugigem05 said:

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Boca Chica was supposed to be a great beach village until a hurricane came through and rearranged the floodplain, preventing any further buildout. It was in the middle of nowhere and nobody cared about it.

Only an idiot or a billionaire would be willing to drive all those pylons down to the bedrock to build something there today…

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Bedrock? Bawahaha! They'll drive deep pilings, but they'll rely on skin friction with the surrounding sediments. The nearest cemented/lithified rock is going to be at least in the 1000s of feet deep.

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Not an engineer. Point being that nobody cared about Boca Chica until SpaceX moved in.

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Space X should have nothing to do with repairing any of that. They didn't destroy it. And if that property was valuable for historians or artifact collectors, then they should have bought the land themselves. Not lobby government to force Space X to give them special privileges after the fact.

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It's not right, agreed. But it's also not a big deal. I don't see any reason for SpaceX to fight it.

Decay said:

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aTmAg said:

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Space X should have nothing to do with repairing any of that. They didn't destroy it. And if that property was valuable for historians or artifact collectors, then they should have bought the land themselves. Not lobby government to force Space X to give them special privileges after the fact.

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It's not right, agreed. But it's also not a big deal. I don't see any reason for SpaceX to fight it.

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I remember someone posted an article earlier in the thread about how SpaceX hadn't reduced their payload charges and were instead making large margins being the only game in town. Perhaps part of the reason they haven't is because they have savvy business people (duh) that know the government plays BS games like this, so those expected extra costs are baked into their rates.

It's more of a philosophical argument. Of course SpaceX isn't going to fight having to write a research paper and repair a monument only 30 people even knew existed in exchange for being allowed to launch starships. It would be stupid to fight vs. comply. The point is that this is just another example of government BS driving up the costs of goods and services. I know you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, but at some point the congress critters are going to go after SpaceX for making "obscene" profits, completely ignoring the fact that all of their BS does nothing but drive up overhead.

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Decay said:

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aTmAg said:

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Space X should have nothing to do with repairing any of that. They didn't destroy it. And if that property was valuable for historians or artifact collectors, then they should have bought the land themselves. Not lobby government to force Space X to give them special privileges after the fact.

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It's not right, agreed. But it's also not a big deal. I don't see any reason for SpaceX to fight it.

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I guess so.. It's better to get extorted a little than a lot. But extortion is still bad and the government is full of extortionist jackasses.

Pork barrel politics isn't just for the government I guess

Gwynne Shotwell says SpaceX is shooting towards building one Starship per day

That would be truly incredible.

There's something you don't see every day.

Top of the can crusher heading to the launch site.https://t.co/2S9RYdlNwz pic.twitter.com/J9xiEZ08AK

— Chris Bergin - NSF (@NASASpaceflight) June 16, 2022

Good progress.

They've been quiet on the starliner front. Has the manned test gotten an official NET date

More the "at will employment" than right to work.

PJYoung said:

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Today some SpaceX employees discovered that Texas is a right to work state.

Yesterday, SpaceX employees shared an open letter to the company’s execs in an internal chat, criticizing Elon Musk’s recent behavior: "Elon’s behavior in the public sphere is a frequent source of distraction and embarrassment for us..." https://t.co/dnX2WhScC2 pic.twitter.com/021ti8HG4P

— Loren Grush (@lorengrush) June 16, 2022

At least five employees were fired by SpaceX after drafting and circulating an open letter criticizing founder Elon Musk and calling for more inclusivity, according to two people familiar with the matter https://t.co/NrUYQHl4PA

— Joey Roulette (@joroulette) June 17, 2022

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I thought SpaceX only hired smart people.

When I have concerns about corporate leadership or direction, I keep them to myself, and only ever raise them privately within the proper chain of command, my own direct boss, who can maybe offer insight I don't have. Don't stir the pot with other employees, I've seen this end in people getting fired, just like in this SpaceX case. Also, don't go around your boss. Had these employees done that and just told their boss privately about their concerns, they probably would have had their boss just tell them that this is the way things are, the CEO does and says what he wants. And after this lesson, they'd still be employed and could decide if they want to find a new company or not.