Thanks OP, you convinced me:

• systemic racism is real.
• ACAB.
• whitey is the devil

hedge said:

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Someone who goes to hell and back for cops, feds etc....

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Some of us just don't think there's some type of epidemic or anything. I'd bet police brutality was a much bigger issue in the past and wouldn't be surprised if this is the best it's ever been...only diff being literally everyone (even homeless people) now having high resolution filming devices in their pockets or hands at all times and cameras are almost everywhere. So out of millions of police interactions you're going to get some crazy ones on vid.

If you live your life in any type of fear of cops...whether black white asian or Hispanic...you need help.

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I'm not in fear of cops, if cops came up to me I'd keep walking and enjoying my day I think most of them are morons who have little training on how to handle people

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What's the opposite of defending cops 100% of the time?

Approximately 99.9% of the time, if you comply and don't resist, you will not be killed.

This guy jumped out of a plane at 18,000 feet without a parachute and lived: https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/nicholas-alkemade-the-raf-airman.html. Does this anomalous event say anything about whether it makes more sense to jump out of a plane with or without a parachute?

I'm curious what your point is in bringing this up. Do you honestly believe that hundreds of lives wouldn't be saved every year if people would stop resisting police ?

Or would you rather point to the exceptions solely because it fits your narrative better to blame everything on the police than on the people who chose to resist arrest?

Surely you're smart enough to know the numbers right, even though many others do not ?

Is it better that you personally propagate a false narrative that unarmed blacks are likely to be killed if they comply and don't resist, or better if you personally pass along the truth- that complying is overwhelmingly more likely to result in surviving the encounter?

The reason I ask this is because the media, aided and abetted by people like yourself peddling a false narrative, have created misperception in black communities that is incredibly dangerous to them- that that they are at significant risk of being killed if they comply with police orders.

Do you want to actually make a difference? Start with being honest about the risks of compliance vs resistance. Otherwise, you're contributing to a lie that results in people being killed.

What you're peddling here is shameful. Either choose to be better, or don't. But don't continue to spread this misinformation and pretend you actually care about the people hurt by it.

A movement to "comply and not die" could actually take hold and make a real difference. But you'd rather support BLM that has done nothing but contribute death, destruction, and division.

Why in the world would you fools try to fight against an idea that would actually make a difference? Do black lives really matter to you or not? I think where your support lies speaks for itself. You're more interested in looking like and feeling like you're making a difference, even though the results have been overwhelmingly negative, than actually making a difference.

WaltonAg18 said:

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MaroonStain said:

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WaltonAg18 said:

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Here's a good reason why "assault" against officers should be revisited.

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When there is an investigation and you are being questioned, you have to provide identification. If you resist then the door is open to repercussions.

Not
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To
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What was he being detained for? Not detained. Questioned.

What crime was suspected of being committed? He refused to provide identification during questioning. Failure to Comply.

Was it a stop and identify state? No clue what this is. You made sh*t up.

What reason do you have to give up private, personal information when you have nothing to do with the situation? See above.

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You can ask 4,000 questions. Law is law. Why did he not answer questions? Why did he resist? Once he resisted, it's game over.

Yes. I have personally experienced multiple incidents with law enforcement and even been taken in.

Usually happens like this...

"Sir, we have an ongoing investigation concerning X, Y, Z, please provide me identification so that I may proceed."

Big world out there, noob...big world...

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Now post the videos of where people comply and nothing escalates.

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he wont he's trolling.

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=stop+and+id+states

"I do not wish to provide identification and will continue exercising my fourth amendment right to continue on my way."

WaltonAg18 said:

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https://lmgtfy.com/?q=stop+and+id+states

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What is that? Does it concern the state if Texas?

I am jamming up this thread.

Argh...

And now he's going to pretend to understand the Constitution

WaltonAg18 said:

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https://lmgtfy.com/?q=stop+and+id+states

"I do not wish to provide identification and will continue exercising my fourth amendment right to continue on my way."

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Again, if there is not an investigation or a warrant. That's why the individual has to ask "Am I under investigation?"

WaltonAg18 said:

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https://lmgtfy.com/?q=stop+and+id+states

"I do not wish to provide identification and will continue exercising my fourth amendment right to continue on my way."

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Good luck with that...
"You match the suspect description, we're taking you in."

WaltonAg18 said:

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Here's a good reason why "assault" against officers should be revisited.

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Suggestions for cultural changes within the black community to drastically reduce poverty and crime:
1. Graduate high school.
2. Don't have children out of wedlock.
3. Get a job and value your opportunities with pride.

With regard to authority:
Don't break the law... but if you do...
1. Respectfully obey orders when interacting with police.
2. Don't resist detainment or arrest.
3. Know your rights, and understand that you will have your day in court.

That's it. It's really that simple. Follow these simple ideas, and you have virtually a 0% chance of being poor, disenfranchised or killed by a police officer. Doesn't seem too much to ask, does it?

Haven't seen the other thread. Heard the cops said to get on his knees which he didn't do.


That said, it was both stupid and an over reaction by the cop. Over reaction cause the guy was still keeping his hands up and otherwise not being threatening.

Stupid cause if you are going to kick, hit the back of the knee so that he goes down. Don't kick him in the back where it just moves him away from you and out of control.

hedge said:

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I'm not in fear of cops, if cops came up to me I'd keep walking and enjoying my day I think most of them are morons who have little training on how to handle people

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Most? Holy *****

What a stupid thing to say. How many cops have you met?

The kid won't be back. He's getting off to his own trolling. Probably looking at anime squid pron.

In the case of the OP, I have the following observations from this short clip:

1) A taser is used in the clip, and is not effective. Listen for the clicks.

2) There are by my count FIVE officers performing the arrest.

3) The officers are not uniformed.

These observations raise the following questions:

A) As this does not appear to be a routine traffic stop, why was the man being placed under arrest?

B) What type of police unit typically operates in groups of this size and without traditional uniforms?

C) What transpired before the video begins that justified the force escalation to the use of a taser?

D) Is the kick in the back an allowed escalation of force when a taser is ineffective in taking an arrestee to the ground?

FriscoKid said:

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hedge said:

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I'm not in fear of cops, if cops came up to me I'd keep walking and enjoying my day I think most of them are morons who have little training on how to handle people

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What's the opposite of defending cops 100% of the time?

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Ass-muncher
Imbecile
Citizen of CHOP
Dead

Take your pick

FratboyLegend said:

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In the case of the OP, I have the following observations from this short clip:

1) A taser is used in the clip, and is not effective. Listen for the clicks.

2) There are by my count FIVE officers performing the arrest.

3) The officers are not uniformed.

These observations raise the following questions:

A) As this does not appear to be a routine traffic stop, why was the man being placed under arrest?

B) What type of police unit typically operated in groups of this size and without traditional uniforms?

C) What transpired before the video begins that justified the force escalation to the use of a taser?

D) Is the kick in the back an allowed escalation of force when a taser is ineffective in taking an arrestee to the ground?

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My guess is, based on the demeanor of the cops, ypu can tell they were in a panic. He initially resisted arrest, tried to escape, then when he realized he cpuldn't get away he stopped. It's also likely that the cops did not trust that he was surrendering, and believed he was still a threat.

Lot *******s for SAPD as shown above

More like constitutionalist

dellgriffith said:

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That was posted yesterday. It is awful and no one will defend it. What is your point OP?

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The racist double standard found in law enforcement. A standard condoned or swept under the rug by too many Americans.

You said no one will defend that video, which isn't true. Further, you want to sweep it under the rug. The proper response is to 100% agree with the OP, and just as strongly disagree with these cops actions as you do against rioters actions. Tweet this video out and let Americans know that the double standard of racism found in law enforcement has to stop!

Instead, you will now argue with me over something you said was indefensible. And the echo chamber will continue to echo.

99.99% of the time it works. Play the odds.

JB99 said:

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FratboyLegend said:

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In the case of the OP, I have the following observations from this short clip:

1) A taser is used in the clip, and is not effective. Listen for the clicks.

2) There are by my count FIVE officers performing the arrest.

3) The officers are not uniformed.

These observations raise the following questions:

A) As this does not appear to be a routine traffic stop, why was the man being placed under arrest?

B) What type of police unit typically operated in groups of this size and without traditional uniforms?

C) What transpired before the video begins that justified the force escalation to the use of a taser?

D) Is the kick in the back an allowed escalation of force when a taser is ineffective in taking an arrestee to the ground?

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My guess is, based on the demeanor of the cops, ypu can tell they were in a panic. He initially resisted arrest, tried to escape, then when he realized he cpuldn't get away he stopped. It's also likely that the cops did not trust that he was surrendering, and believed he was still a threat.

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I'm guessing it was a warrant squad. It would be interesting to have more background. What you describe is certainly a plausible backstory.

hedge said:

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You're going to that boot licker well hard.

iluvpoker said:

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dellgriffith said:

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That was posted yesterday. It is awful and no one will defend it. What is your point OP?

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The racist double standard found in law enforcement. A standard condoned or swept under the rug by too many Americans.

You said no one will defend that video, which isn't true. Further, you want to sweep it under the rug. The proper response is to 100% agree with the OP, and just as strongly disagree with these cops actions as you do against rioters actions. Tweet this video out and let Americans know that the double standard of racism found in law enforcement has to stop!

Instead, you will now argue with me over something you said was indefensible. And the echo chamber will continue to echo.

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Settle down

Can someone point me to where anyone here, or anywhere, ever said there is ZERO bad police interactions?

WaltonAg18 said:

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MaroonStain said:

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WaltonAg18 said:

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Here's a good reason why "assault" against officers should be revisited.

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When there is an investigation and you are being questioned, you have to provide identification. If you resist then the door is open to repercussions.

Not
That
Hard
To
Understand

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What was he being detained for?

What crime was suspected of being committed?

Was it a stop and identify state?

What reason do you have to give up private, personal information when you have nothing to do with the situation?

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Man this kind of stupid ass thinking is why so many problems occur.
What's the big deal to identify yourself to the offices?

You saw the above scenario play out

Now try this one

The stop him
Good afternoon sir , my name is officer John Doe with the San Antonio police department , reason we stopped you is because we had a domestic disturbance call in the area , would you mind providing us some identification.

Hands them his ID

Ok Mr Ometu, sorry to bother you, have a nice day

End of story.. The end, conclusion, period.. thats all


Why is that so hard?

Police are trying to do their jobs and make our cities safer and Dbags like this guy think well I'm gonna make it impossible for cops to do their job by not providing my ID because it's my right

Just show them your ID.


How hard is that??

Walton believes that Bernie (Venezuela socialism) is the path to prosperity. He also thinks that capitalism kills more people than dictators like Mao. He's a little confused on how the world works. Cut him some slack.

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So you think it's generally a good idea to attack police officers?

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Please show the "attack".
Oh yeah "attacked" is defined as "stiffening up" and "trying not to be thrown into a police car".
The "crime" is not doing what the government wants you to do without being charged with a crime.

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Are you from Texas?

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Si

This open carry protest against illegal local ordinances lead to arrests and then charges dropped except for the other criminal charges of assaulting a police officer, interfering with the duties of a public servant and obstructing a roadway, according to court records.
Maybe your cried when those ordinances were repealed?

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Did you have parents?

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Yep, who taught us to stand up for your rights since we, well most of us, are not 3rd world serfs.





Oh yeah and then there is this:


After mistaken arrest of Black jogger, body-camera footage released and charges dropped
Like many things in life there are prices.
You pay them.
This guy paid the price for not telling police his name.
That is within his rights.
He could have said his name and paid a cheaper price.
He beat the rap, but not the ride.

So you just saw a video of an officer kicking a man with his hands on his head and your answer is "teach people to be compliant and everything is fine." You saw some evidence that a cop kicking a man complying with an order. We don't have full context, but we do have footage of a cop acting out emotionally beyond his training. If you can't trust someone in authority, why is compliance a good answer?

Let's say that we should all comply, but when we do we should expect fair treatment, not to be kicked or beaten. Those in power should be wise about using it and should show self-restraint. I certainly didn't see that in the first video, but I did in the second. Why is that? Could it be color? Yes. Could it be something beyond color? Yes. but lets not overlook the potential obvious answers just to support a narrative.